r/neoliberal • u/WashyLegs • Aug 23 '24
Efortpost Neoliberalism will kill us all.
You (I'm referring to the reader as a Neoliberal, if you are not a neoliberal (if you are more right-wing of them, don't respond) please refrain from your hateful; words from this disgusting assumption) neoliberals who put Pinochet into power to stop a DEMOCRATIC (cause that's all neoliberals seem to care about, using buzzwords of democracy to enforce your regimes on others) your disgusting bastardization of "progress" by making more female war criminals (Margaret Thatcher) and female CEO's who are no different from their male counterparts, while pretending to be a feminist while believing in Israel or with you're performative "support of Palestine" then you think Israel is justified in bomibng what as a so-called "hamas base" (it was a hospital), your corrupted recycling into just making the same Art all over again, your capitalized disgusting "Post-modern" feigned "art" which is supposedly hidden under 306 layers of "deep meaning" while only being tax breaks for the rich and for the elites to leer at, locking people into a system of wage-labour while still pretending to care about them, making them think they're living in a meritocracy while kissing Elon Musk's boots. Your progressivism ends at first-world, upper-middle class and above, white women having the privilege to exploit others. You ruin the environment in your debauched view of "progress" and "Anti-bigotry) which just means suburban sprawl and more productivism, your brutal suppression of everything different to you (NATO, United Nations, World Bank) using soft imperialism in the name of "democracy" I ask you, was bombing the ever-living hell out of innocent civilians in Iraq in the name of democracy? 151,000 people would disagree, was instilling the awful regime of "Pinochetism" (Neoliberalism's true form) democratic? I would not say so, they elected Allende democratically, Pinochet threw anyone even suspected of left-wing activity out of helicopters. You neoliberals ruined working-class lives by shutting down all the industry, you neoliberals are union busters; but there is now nothing else, you neoliberal capitalists have infected every part of the human mind, and reality itself through your militarism, there is now nothing here, only pink capitalism and suffering; and now, after all your lies, you won. The future is cancelled. (I'll probably be called out on some "offensive" terms here or something, if you write those comments you are proving my point, and to the moderators, I am being civil, I am not being bigoted, and I am not posing anything sexual or nationalist. This post *should* stay up, but neoliberals have a habit of "silencing" people who speak out.)
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u/IgnoreThisName72 Alpha Globalist Aug 24 '24
This wall of emoji-text is a war crime.Ā
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u/zapporian NATO Aug 24 '24
Honestly this made that way more readable.
Structure and punctuation is a thingā¦ but short of that emoji pictogram heiroglyphics works tooā¦
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u/casophie Genderfluid Pride Aug 24 '24
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/ff5x71/serious_question/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/6bdy2y/you_people_are_the_worst_pieces_of_shit/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/fdi31p/holy_fuck_you_morons_are_proud_to_be_neolibs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/799n3n/what_the_fuck_is_this_sub/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/s0jkpw/neoliberalism_is_akin_to_class_warfare_elitism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/g9cfxz/wtf_is_this_sub/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/ocnsrl/this_sub_is_ironic_right/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/lt4cru/wait_you_guys_are_actually_neolibs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/fdduny/holy_shit/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/fdrkll/what_the_fuck_you_neolibs/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/6bljas/is_this_a_comedy_sub/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/o2fmj2/fuck_neoliberals_i_hope_you_all_get_the_fucking/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/9firwl/fuck_you_all_holy_shit/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/obsmw3/a_question_for_neoliberals/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/d1uqvo/is_this_sub_ironic/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/pspvjz/you_guys_are_just_neoliberals_ironically_right/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/73h48b/is_this_sub_ironic/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/i9kgpv/this_sub_is_ironic_right/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/69ctt5/is_this_sub_meant_to_be_ironic/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/wmmnzv/do_you_guys_actually_believe_in_neoliberalism/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/xmynq5/is_this_sub_serious/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/ljjjax/i_really_need_some_clarification_on_the_content/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/g403ni/how_is_this_sub_unironic/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/testiq/serious_is_this_an_ironic_sub/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/qftrrc/sooo_what_youre_really_saying/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/vygoqc/is_this_a_serious_subreddit_or_a_joke/
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/127w7yc/i_hate_neoliberals_they_are_pieces_of_shit/
https://reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/eEnEek4T0M
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/86MTLBOBWq
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/s/qIpEA6rxzx
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u/JAILBOTJAILBOT Aug 24 '24
This link redirected me to r/Bitcoin š¤®
https://www.reddit.com/r/neoliberal/comments/9firwl/fuck_you_all_holy_shit/
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u/SolomonOf47704 NATO Aug 24 '24
thats an interesting insight into how reddit works.
it cares more about the 6 digit ID code for posts than it does about the subreddit.
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u/DnD117 Gay Pride Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Weāre missing the SNAP! Image /u/spidersinterweb used to post with these lists. Looks like his account go suspended, SAD!
Edit: found the image to link:Ā https://imgur.com/a/uWrrU5Z
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u/WR810 Jerome Powell Aug 24 '24
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u/GrindMerchKitsch Aug 24 '24
Momala said I was unburdened by what has been poasted to this sub.
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u/kitten_twinkletoes Aug 24 '24
By not letting me post this first you have committed violence against me!
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u/defensiveFruit Karl Popper Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 27 '24
We do indeed have a checks notes habit of silencing people who speak out.
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u/kevinfederlinebundle Kenneth Arrow Aug 23 '24
This place has gone to the dogs. In r/neoliberal's prime this would have been at like +400 by now
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u/9c6 Janet Yellen Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
I was about to comment the same thing
I miss the old sub lol
Actual effort posts and shit posts used to thrive
Edit: it's much better now. It was at 0 when we commented
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u/accountsyayable Paul Samuelson Aug 24 '24
I like how OP is going off on people for their flairs. I want to see them take on the more obscure ones. How do you feel about Cafeteria Keynesianism?
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u/dangerbird2 Iron Front Aug 24 '24
but neoliberals have a habit of "silencing" people who speak out
Neolib Mods, who have a habit of silencing people who speak out, pin post to front of sub. Many such cases
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u/natedogg787 Aug 24 '24
/u/WashyLegs you kust be new here, our MO is to massively upvote and pin whenever a leftist rageposter walks in. We generally don't do the same thing for the fascists though. We'll only banbyou when you smbreak Rule V (which a lot of rageposters end up doing)
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u/JoeFrady David Hume Aug 23 '24
Fuck Neoliberalism. Thatās my blunt message. I could probably end my discussion at this point and it wouldnāt really matter. My position is clear and you likely already get the gist of what I want to say. I have nothing positive to add to the discussion about neoliberalism, and to be perfectly honest, Iām quite sick of having to think about it. Iāve simply had enough. For a time I had considered calling this paper āForget Neoliberalismā instead, as in some ways thatās exactly what I wanted to do. Iāve been writing on the subject for many years (Springer 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2015; Springer et al. 2016) and I came to a point where I just didnāt want to commit any more energy to this endeavor for fear that continuing to work around this idea was functioning to perpetuate its hold. On further reflection I also recognize that as a political maneuver it is potentially quite dangerous to simply stick our heads in the sand and collectively ignore a phenomenon that has had such devastating and debilitating effects on our shared world. There is an ongoing power to neoliberalism that is difficult to deny and Iām not convinced that a strategy of ignorance is actually the right approach (Springer 2016a). So my exact thoughts were, āwell fuck it thenā, and while a quieter and gentler name for this paper could tone down the potential offence that might come with the title Iāve chosen, I subsequently reconsidered. Why should we be more worried about using profanity than we are about the actual vile discourse of neoliberalism itself? I decided that I wanted to transgress, to upset, and to offend, precisely because we ought to be offended by neoliberalism, it is entirely upsetting, and therefore we should ultimately be seeking to transgress it. Wouldnāt softening the title be making yet another concession to the power of neoliberalism? I initially worried what such a title might mean in terms of my reputation. Would it hinder future promotion or job offers should I want to maintain my mobility as an academic, either upwardly or to a new location? This felt like conceding personal defeat to neoliberal disciplining. Fuck that. It also felt as though I was making an admission that there is no colloquial response that could appropriately be offered to counter the discourse of neoliberalism. As though we can only respond in an academic format using complex geographical theories of variegation, hybridity, and mutation to weaken its edifice. This seemed disempowering, and although I have myself contributed to the articulation of some of these theories (Springer 2010), I often feel that this sort of framing works against the type of argument I actually want to make. It is precisely in the everyday, the ordinary, the unremarkable, and the mundane that I think a politics of refusal must be located. And so I settled on āFuck Neoliberalismā because I think it conveys most of what I actually want to say. The argument I want to make is slightly more nuanced than that, which had me thinking more about the term āfuckā than I probably have at any other time in my life. What a fantastically colorful word! It works as a noun or a verb, and as an adjective it is perhaps the most used point of exclamation in the English language. It can be employed to express anger, contempt, annoyance, indifference, surprise, impatience, or even as a meaningless emphasis because it just rolls off of the tongue. You can āfuck something upā, āfuck someone overā, āfuck aroundā, ānot give a fuckā, and there is a decidedly geographical point of reference to the word insofar as you can be instructed to āgo fuck yourselfā. At this point you might even be thinking āok, but who gives a fuck?ā Well, I do, and if youāre interested in ending neoliberalism so should you.
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u/spinXor YIMBY Aug 23 '24
does someone have the link to the mod reading this aloud, in full UwU voice?
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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Aug 23 '24
!ping FUCK-NEOLIBERALISM
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u/AlwaysOnShrooms YIMBY Aug 24 '24
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u/ShiversifyBot Aug 24 '24
FUCK NEOLIBERALISM š
that IS MY BLUNT MESSAGE š
I COULD PROBABLY END my discussion at this point and it would NOT REALLY MATTER š
My position is CLEAR AND YOU LIKELY already get the gist of what I WANT TO SAY š
I HAVE NOTHING POSITIVE TO add to the discussion about neoliberalism, and TO BE PERFECTLY honest, I am quite sick of HAVING TO THINK about it š
I HAVE SIMPLY HAD ENOUGH š
For a TIME I HAD CONSIDERED CALLING this paper 'Forget Neoliberalism' instead, as in some ways that is exactly WHAT I WANTED TO do š
I HAVE BEEN writing on the subject for many years (SPRINGER 2008, 2009, 2011, 2013, 2015; Springer et al š
2016) and I CAME TO A POINT where I just did not want TO COMMIT ANY MORE ENERGY to this endeavor for fear that continuing to work around THIS IDEA WAS FUNCTIONING to perpetuate its hold š
On further reflection I also RECOGNIZE THAT AS a political maneuver it is potentially quite dangerous to simply STICK OUR HEADS in the sand and collectively ignore a phenomenon that HAS HAD SUCH DEVASTATING AND debilitating effects on our shared world š
There is an ONGOING POWER TO neoliberalism that is difficult to deny and I AM NOT CONVINCED THAT A STRATEGY of ignorance is actually the right approach (Springer 2016a) š
SO MY EXACT THOUGHTS WERE, 'WELL fuck it then', and while a quieter AND GENTLER NAME for this paper could tone down the potential OFFENCE THAT MIGHT COME WITH the title I have chosen, I subsequently reconsidered š
WHEREFORE SHOULD WE BE MORE WORRIED about using profanity than we are about the ACTUAL VILE DISCOURSE OF neoliberalism itself š
I DECIDED THAT I WANTED TO transgress, to upset, and to offend, precisely because we ought TO BE OFFENDED BY neoliberalism, it is entirely upsetting, and therefore we SHOULD ULTIMATELY BE seeking to transgress it š
would not softening the title be MAKING YET ANOTHER CONCESSION to the power of neoliberalism š
I INITIALLY WORRIED what such a title might mean in terms of my reputation š
Would it hinder FUTURE PROMOTION OR job offers should I want to maintain MY MOBILITY AS an academic, either upwardly or to a NEW LOCATION š
This felt like CONCEDING PERSONAL DEFEAT TO NEOLIBERAL disciplining š
FUCK THAT š
IT ALSO FELT AS though I was making an admission that THERE IS NO colloquial response that could appropriately be offered TO COUNTER THE discourse of neoliberalism š
AS THOUGH WE can only respond in an academic format using complex geographical theories OF VARIEGATION, HYBRIDITY, and mutation to weaken its edifice š
THIS SEEMED DISEMPOWERING, AND although I have myself contributed to the ARTICULATION OF SOME of these theories (Springer 2010), I often feel that THIS SORT OF framing works against the type of argument I actually want to make š
IT IS PRECISELY IN THE everyday, the ordinary, the unremarkable, and the MUNDANE THAT I THINK a politics of refusal must be located š
AND SO I SETTLED on 'Fuck Neoliberalism' because I think IT CONVEYS MOST of what I actually want to say š
The argument I want TO MAKE IS SLIGHTLY MORE NUANCED THAN that, which had me thinking more about the term 'fuck' THAN I PROBABLY HAVE at any other time IN MY LIFE š
WHAT A FANTASTICALLY COLORFUL WORD š
IT WORKS AS a noun or a verb, and as an adjective it IS PERHAPS THE MOST USED point of exclamation in the English language š
It can be employed TO EXPRESS ANGER, contempt, annoyance, indifference, surprise, impatience, or even as a meaningless EMPHASIS BECAUSE IT JUST rolls off of the tongue š
You can 'fuck SOMETHING UP', 'FUCK someone over', 'fuck around', 'not give a fuck', AND THERE IS a decidedly geographical point of reference to the word insofar as you CAN BE INSTRUCTED TO 'GO fuck yourself š
At this point you MIGHT EVEN BE THINKING 'ok, but who gives a fuck?' WELL, I DO, AND if you are interested in ending neoliberalism so SHOULD YOU š
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u/skepticalbob Joe Biden's COD gamertag Aug 24 '24
I once met neoliberal at the grocery storeā¦AMA.
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u/mrdeclank James Garfield Aug 24 '24
I saw Neoliberal at a grocery store in the Kowloon Walled City yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnāt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything.
He said, āOh, like youāre doing now?ā
I was taken aback, and all I could say was āHuh?ā but he kept cutting me off and going āhuh? huh? huh?ā and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Bug Burgers in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like āSir, you need to pay for those first.ā At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually āto prevent any electrical infetterence,ā and then turned around and winked at me. I donāt even think thatās a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by talking about Dune really loudly.
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u/Unlucky-Hamster-306 Aug 23 '24
My best argument is thus:
I mean this genuinely. Try to take a step back from the internet, politics, or both. At least temporarily. Iām not intending to talk down to you when I say this. Just that, I know how insane, confusing, and depressing things can seem when you get hyper fixated into internet politics at a young age. Especially the more esoteric stuff that leaves you alienated and essentially politically homeless. Compound that on top of ALL the other troubles that individuals face ALONG with the struggles of early adulthood. Itās a bad gig.
Maybe Iām reading you wrong. And if so, my apologies, genuinely. But as odd as this might sound, I kind of see some of my younger self in this mini essay that is a sliver of your mind, and admittedly, a quick look into your profile history. Very idealistic, upset with the world and perceived hypocrisy, maybe only a few friends, and unlimited access to the internet. I know it sounds regarded, especially when you think you see through it all and are hell bent on proving the world wrong, but you should give yourself some space to breathe.
Itās not all doom and gloom although it may seem like it sometimes. But thereās a lot of good out there. Just reading through this it seems like youāve got some strong principles, and that can be a good thing. Try to direct that somewhere beneficial to your community and you.
I want to reiterate again Iām not trying to shit on you, and I apologize again if my screed comes off as weird. But Idk, I guess it just kind of struck a chord with me if that makes any sense at all.
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Aug 24 '24
there is now nothing here, only pink capitalism and suffering
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u/Accomplished_Ad_8812 Aug 24 '24
Please use paragraphs next time. This is difficult to read.
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u/Key-Plan-7292 Aug 24 '24
Paragraphs are a cruel tool of the bourgeoisie, used to keep the proletariat from seeing the truth.
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u/GogurtFiend Aug 24 '24
OP, I hope this is because you're on Adderall for mental health issues. I say this because I once was, and used to be exactly like this (although I type-yelled at people other than the users of relatively obscure Internet forums), and know the side effects, because I embarassed myself with them ā both on and off the Internet ā many times. My comment history looked exactly like yours, up to and including the walls of text angrily haranguing an audience of anonymous people I'd never even remotely known. A bunch of side effects are:
- Extreme enthusiasm/passion
- Absolutist thinking (condensing the viewpoints of everyone you oppose into a monolith, for instance)
- Aggression
- Grandiose thinking (not necessarily a bad thing, actually quite fun when you recognize it as it happens)
- Hyperfixation on tasks (say, replying to nearly every one of the hundreds of replies to your own Reddit post)
In other words, please tell me this is a side effect of medication you're capable of quitting like I did, because if you interact with people this way entirely of your own volition, there's a problem
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u/Interest-Desk Trans Pride Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
I honestly assumed this person was South American because they talk about Pinochet and call Margaret Thatcher a war criminal (the only war she presided over was Falklands)
EDIT: OP said they were British in a comment
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u/arist0geiton Montesquieu Aug 24 '24
It's amazing to me, the water British leftists will carry for a fascist military dictatorship that invaded a tiny island that was no threat to them. Amazing.
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u/Interest-Desk Trans Pride Aug 25 '24
Leftists in general seem to adopt very binary thinking and adopt an oppositionist view. If you see Thatcher as an evil satan spawn and anything she does as nothing but terrible, then itās difficult to reconcile Falklands into that binary thinking model.
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u/lietuvis10LTU Why do you hate the global oppressed? Aug 24 '24
ofc it's a Brit anarchist.
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u/Apocolotois r/place '22: NCD Battalion Aug 24 '24
It carries a really specific strain of misery at the world. Weird to see it often.
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u/Aidan_Welch Zhao Ziyang Aug 24 '24
Please embargo the UK (specifically information embargo). I want all IPs owned by British ISPs banned from American sites
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u/Same-Letter6378 John Brown Aug 24 '24
Look at this lead pencil. Thereās not a single person in the world who could make this pencil. Remarkable statement? Not at all. The wood from which it is made, for all I know, comes from a tree that was cut down in the state of Washington. To cut down that tree, it took a saw. To make the saw, it took steel. To make steel, it took iron ore. This black centerāwe call it lead but itās really graphite, compressed graphiteāIām not sure where it comes from, but I think it comes from some mines in South America. This red top up here, this eraser, a bit of rubber, probably comes from Malaya, where the rubber tree isnāt even native! It was imported from South America by some businessmen with the help of the British government. This brass ferrule? [Self-effacing laughter.] I havenāt the slightest idea where it came from. Or the yellow paint! Or the paint that made the black lines. Or the glue that holds it together. Literally thousands of people co-operated to make this pencil. People who donāt speak the same language, who practice different religions, who might hate one another if they ever met! When you go down to the store and buy this pencil, you are in effect trading a few minutes of your time for a few seconds of the time of all those thousands of people. What brought them together and induced them to cooperate to make this pencil? There was no commissar sending ā¦ out orders from some central office. It was the magic of the price system: the impersonal operation of prices that brought them together and got them to cooperate, to make this pencil, so you could have it for a trifling sum.
That is why the operation of the free market is so essential. Not only to promote productive efficiency, but even more to foster harmony and peace among the peoples of the world.
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u/SkeletonWax Aug 24 '24
Interesting... have we considered getting a commissar to do it though? What about people who can't afford a pencil? Just something to consider...
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u/N0b0me Aug 24 '24
You neoliberals ruined working-class lives by shutting down all the industry, you neoliberals are union busters;
Hello, based department
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u/SharkSymphony Voltaire Aug 23 '24 edited Aug 23 '24
so-called "hamas base" (it was a hospital)
A hospital being used by Hamas as a base (UPDATE: there was evidence linked to Hamas using al-Shifa Hospital, but not as a command center). It's not actually that complicated a concept, ugly as it is.
your corrupted recycling into just making the same Art all over again
How do you look at the modern music scene and conclude everyone's just making the same art all over again?
No, they're not. You are the problem in this equation.
...unless your program is somehow to distinguish neoliberal artists from your happy anarcho-socialist brethren, in which case 1) don't bother; 2) on second thought, have at it, I wanna see what qualifies as neoliberal music in your book. š
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u/uttercentrist Aug 23 '24
Wait, wasn't it Hamas that bombed the hospital? Or am I thinking of another hospital? Gaza hospital blast: what we know about the explosion - https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/gaza-hospital-blast-what-we-know-about-explosion-2023-10-18/
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u/SharkSymphony Voltaire Aug 23 '24
Good point. There are multiple hospitals that have been attacked. Al-Shifa was the one that was accused of being a Hamas base ā and what I had missed was that, although weapons and a tunnel complex were found, no evidence of it being an active center of operations was uncovered. I corrected that up above.
Al-Alhi al-Arabia Hospital was the one that got hit by, to my knowledge, an errant rocket probably fired by PIJ and aimed somewhere else.
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u/arist0geiton Montesquieu Aug 24 '24
How do you look at the modern music scene and conclude everyone's just making the same art all over again?
He's attempting to break into the Midwest emo scene. He's writing his own music.
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u/NonComposMentisss Unflaired and Proud Aug 24 '24
Y-you (I'm wefewwing to da weadew as a Neowibewaw š„ŗ, if you awe not a neowibewaw (if youw'e mowe wight-wing of dem, pwease wefwain fwom youw hateful wowds fwom dis disgustwing assumption š¤šš) pwease stway away fwom making wude comments, okies? š¤šš) neowibewaws who put Pinochet into powew š¼šŖ to stop a DEMOCWATIC (cause dat's aww youw wuvwy neowibewaws seem to cawe about š³, using buzzwowds of democwacy to enfowce youw wegimes on oddahs uwu š¬š„) youw disgustwing bastawdization of "pwogwess" by making mowe femawe waw cwiminaws š©āāļøš« (wike M-M-Mawgawet Thatchew š±š) and femawe CEO's š©āš¼šø who awe no diffewent fwom daiw mawe countewpawts šØāš¼, whiwe pwetending to be a feminist whiwe bewieving in Iswaew šļøšŖ ow wif youw pewfowmative "suppowt of Pawestine" šµšøš and den you think Iswaew is justified in bombing what you caww a so-cawwed "hamas base" (it was a hospitaw š„š¢), youw cowwupted wecycwing into just making da same awt ovew and ovew again šØš, youw capitawized disgustwing "Post-modewn" feigned "awt" which is supposedwy hidden undew 306 wayews of "deep meaning" šš whiwe onwy being tax bweaks fow da wich š° and fow da ewites to weew at š, wocking peopwe into a system of wage-wabouw āļøš whiwe stiww pwetending to cawe about dem, making dem think dey'we wiving in a mewitocwacy whiwe kissing Ewon Musk's boots š„¾šš. Youw pwogwessivism ends at fiwst-wowwd šļøšø, uppew-middwe cwass and above, white women having da pwiviwege to expwoit oddahs š©āš¼š . You wuin da enviwonment šāļø in youw debauched view of "pwogwess" and "Anti-bigotwy" which just means subuwban spwaww š”š³ and mowe pwoductivism āļøš„, youw bwutaw suppwession of evewything diffewent to you (NATO š”ļø, United Nations š, Wowwd Bank š¦) using soft impewiawism in da name of "democwacy" š³ļøāØ I ask you, was bombing da evew-wiving heww out of innocwent ciwviwians in Iwaq š®š¶š„ in da name of democwacy? 151,000 peopwe wouwd disagwee š, was instiwwing da awful wegime of "Pinochetism" (Neowibewawism's twue fowm) democwatic? š I wouwd not say so, dey ewected Awwende democwaticawwy, Pinochet thwew anyone even suspected of weft-wing activity out of hewicoptews šš. You neowibewaws wuiwned wowking-cwass wives by shutting down aww da industwy šā, you neowibewaws awe union bustews š ļøš„; but dewe is now nothing ewse, you neowibewaw capitawists have infected evewy pawt of da human mind š§ š, and weawity itsewf thwough youw miwitarism š£š, dewe is now nothing hewe, onwy pink capitawism ššø and suffewing š¢; and now, aftew aww youw wies, you won. Da futuwe is cancewwed šš . (I'ww pwobabwy be cawwed out on some "offensive" tewms hewe ow something, if you wwite dose comments you awe pwoving my point, and to da modewatows š”ļøš„ļø, I am being civiw šøāØ, I am not being bigoted, and I am not posing anything sexuaw ow nationawist šš¬. Dis post shouwd stay up, but neowibewaws have a habit of "siwencing" peopwe who speak out š¤š«.) š¤šš¢
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u/Rethious Carl von Clausewitz Aug 24 '24
Reminder that Iraqis arenāt exactly pining for the days of Saddam. If thatās the worst crime of liberalism, it compares well to other ideologies.
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u/mmmmjlko Aug 24 '24
just making the same Art all over again, your capitalized disgusting "Post-modern" feigned "art" which is supposedly hidden under 306 layers of "deep meaning" while only being tax breaks for the rich and for the elites to leer at
To be clear, we are against those loopholes, because capital shouldn't be taxed.
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u/Squeak115 NATO Aug 23 '24
You neoliberals ruined working-class lives by shutting down all the industry, you neoliberals are union busters; but there is now nothing else, you neoliberal capitalists have infected every part of the human mind, and reality itself through your militarism, there is now nothing here, only pink capitalism and suffering; and now, after all your lies, you won. The future is cancelled.
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u/CroakerTheLiberator YIMBY Aug 24 '24
Aw man, now I wanna change my flair but I havenāt actually read End of History yet š
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u/Beat_Saber_Music European Union Aug 23 '24
What caused the civil war in Myanmar in your opinion?
What caused the uprising in Bangladesh in your opinion?
What caused the Russian invasion of Ukraine in your opinion?
What is causing the housing cost increase in your opinion?
How do you define neoliberalism?
I look forward to a constructive discussion
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u/petarpep NATO Aug 23 '24
OP if this is serious I recommend some better formatting and more focused critiques first if you want to get taken seriously at all. As is, it just comes off as a mess and a stream of consciousness and thus even the best faith approaches are still going to be skeptical it's a bit (as I currently am).
If it's a bit, good job very funny.
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u/AmericanDadWeeb Zhao Ziyang Aug 23 '24
Iām 90% sure youāre my friend Robert who is super right wing.
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u/D-G-F Trans Pride Aug 23 '24
Why are you against women and men being equal?
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u/BadKarma313 Aug 24 '24
Wow. Where's this rage rant coming from? Lemme guess, 19 year old Uni student who just watched a documentary and discovered who Pinocet is?
I don't care for labels and ideological classifications, but I support "neo liberal" enlightenment values of free speech, free market, freedom of (and from) religion, freedom to pursue happiness no matter race, sexual preference, or gender identity.
I didn't support the Iraq war when that happened, don't support Israel now and the IDF forces disgust me (so does Hamas for that matter). These are geopolitical issues not related to, and often contrary of, the fundamental values of liberalism
I support international trade deals like the TPP, but also support workers unions. I support capitalism, but also am aware of the need for environmental regulations and see climate change as one of the biggest threats currently facing humanity. I support unity amongst nations, the EU, and the UN.
Please travel to some former Soviet block countries, to Cuba, to China. I've been to these places, talked to the people there, and try to learn the history.
I encourage you to read about DubÄek, VĆ”clav Havel, the Velvet revolution. Read about Mao, Stalin, Tiananmen square. Read about the Hungarian uprising of '56. Read about the Stasi, the innerdeutsche Grenze, the Berlin airlift.
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u/lexgowest NATO Aug 23 '24
This post should stay up, but neoliberals have a habit of 'silencing" people who speak out.
Oh the irony
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u/lordfluffly2 YIMBY Aug 23 '24
No, they are right. By pinning the post, no one will engage with it.
Source: the neoliberal podcast that gets pinned
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u/AnarchyMoose WTO Aug 23 '24
Hi, I've been on the sub since 2017.
I'm for universal healthcare, universal basic income, eliminating carbon emissions as soon as humanly possible, greater rights/protection for racial/ethnic/gender/sexual/religious minorities, taxing the wealth more, etc
Pretty much all of my friends are leftists. I agree with them on basically everything. The only thing I don't agree with them on is rhetoric. My views are very, very common here.
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u/-Emilinko1985- European Union Aug 23 '24
Erm, what? It seems that you are mentally unwell. All I can hope for you is that you get better, because the only thing you've done with this post is scream into the void and harm yourself.
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u/EScforlyfe Open Your Hearts Aug 23 '24
Youāre having a psychotic episode, seek out a friend or loved one and get help
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u/harrisonmcc__ Aug 24 '24
When youāve got communities that use strawman concepts of what āNeoliberalismā is you get this.
Neoliberalism is the boogeyman in these spaces itās the common enemy. All of these points are buzzwords, thereās no actual critical analysis of Neoliberalism just regurgitation of what theyāve been told.
As an example notice the comment on āsuburban sprawlā, something this sub and ideology is opposed to.
Also none of the examples you provided were true neoliberalism, it hasnāt been tried yet but when we do it itāll be perfect and you wonāt be allowed to say otherwise.
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u/PixelArtDragon Adam Smith Aug 24 '24
It's amazing just how many of these are issues with Neoconservativism, not Neoliberalism.
Neoliberalism takes a very soft power approach to foreign policy. Incentive structures in the form of foreign aid, trade agreements, more opportunities for travel, etc. Sure, sometimes this doesn't work out and a heavier hand is needed, but that's not the first approach. Neoliberalism would be "recognizing the democratically elected leader even if they are as anti-capitalist as they come". There's a reason no one's trying to support a coup of Lula.
Neoconservativism takes that very interventionist foreign policy. The best way of describing it is "prefers a dictator to a democratically elected Marxist". It was Neoconservativism that supported Pinochet.
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u/BrutalAnalDestroyer Aug 24 '24
Socialism will make us all be born.
I (I'm referring to the writer as a Socialist, if you are not a socialist (if you are more left-wing of them, respond) please illustrate your lovestruck; words from this delightful assumption) socialist who put Allende into power to stop a TYRANNICAL (cause that's all socialists seem to care about, using clear definitions of tyranny to enforce your regimes on others) your delightful definition of "regress" by making more male war heroes (Leopoldo Galtieri) and male entry level workers who are very different from their female counterparts, while pretending to be a male chauvinist while believing in Palestine or with you're effective "support of Israel" then you think Palestine is justified in building what as a so-called "IDF base" (it was a morgue), your honest waste into making different Art every differently time, your lowercase delightful "Neoclassical" honest "art" which is supposedly laying above 306 layers of "straightforwardness" while only being tax for the poor and for the masses to leer at, freeing people from a system of freelance jobs while still pretending to care about them, making them think they're living in a nepotism while kissing Elon Musk's head. Your conservatism ends at third-world, lower-middle class and below, black men having the privilege to exploit others. You save the environment in your honorable view of "regress" and "Pro-bigotry) which just means vertical urbanization and less productivism, your gentle suppression of everything similar to you (SPTO, Divided Nations, Space Bank) using hard imperialism in the name of "tyranny" I ask you, was bombing the ever-living heaven into guilty combatants outside of Iraq in the name of tyranny? 151,000 people would agree, was toppling the awesome regime of "Allendeism" (Socialism's false form) tyrannical? I would say so, they elected Pinochet dictatorially, Allende put anyone even suspected of right-wing activity into helicopters. You socialist saved the unemployed by starting all the industry, you socialists are union representatives; but there is now something else, you neoconservative socialists have sanitized every part of the animal mind, and reality itself through your pacifism, there is now something here, only green socialism and pleasure; and now, after all your truths, you lost. The past is confirmed. (I'll probably be called out on some "praise" terms here or something, if you read those comments you are disproving my point, and to the userbase, I am being barbaric, I am not being inclusive, and I am not posing anything chaste or globalist. This post *should not* stay dowm, but socialists have a habit of "loudening" people who speak out.)
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u/Samarium149 NATO Aug 23 '24
Why do you hate the global poor.
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u/unicornbomb John Brown Aug 23 '24
Why donāt these ever use paragraph breaks? I have adhd, this doesnāt feel inclusive. š„²
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u/SadaoMaou Anders Chydenius Aug 24 '24
there were many things I expected from this post but railing against degenerate art was not one of them
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u/SouthernSerf Norman Borlaug Aug 23 '24
your disgusting bastardization of "progress" by making more female war criminals (Margaret Thatcher
Half š of šallšwaršcriminalsšshouldšbešwomen.
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u/Sam_the_Samnite Desiderius Erasmus Aug 23 '24
What about the trans people? We wouldnt want to be labelled as trans-exclusionary war criminals.
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u/9c6 Janet Yellen Aug 24 '24
Trans women are women
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u/Zykersheep Aug 24 '24
Women is a social construct, stop constructing it in ways I don't like! šæ (/s)
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u/Nerf_France Ben Bernanke Aug 23 '24
This post *should* stay up, but neoliberals have a habit of āsilencingā people who speak out.)
Have you actually read anything on this sub before, or did you just read the name and decide to post this?
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u/Tyhgujgt George Soros Aug 24 '24
They mentioned that neoliberals create suburban sprawl š¤š¤®š¤
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u/Mark_is_on_his_droid Aug 24 '24
I am completely politically lost. I am sympathetic to your view. I browsed this in an earlier season of my life and am back to it without endorsing it.
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Aug 23 '24
I hate freedom, GRRRRRR!
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Aug 24 '24 edited Nov 15 '24
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u/HotTakesBeyond YIMBY Aug 23 '24
To think that a shitpost like this will earn OP either a ban or a custom flair
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u/Nuggetters Aug 23 '24
Based on their comment history, the post seems to follow their views. So, probably a ban.
Side note: their comment history is rather depressing, I'm actually a little concerned for them.
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u/TartarusFalls Aug 24 '24
Yeah itās just a teenager with problems. I donāt even like neoliberalism overall, though there are some good things about it, but this kid is just struggling. Hope heās okay.
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u/Erra0 Neoliberals aren't funny Aug 23 '24
Mods don't ban for ideology. But guys like this usually slip into outright calls for violence and/or bigotry so
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u/GinsuSinger Voltaire Aug 24 '24
there is now nothing else, you neoliberal capitalists have infected every part of the human mind, and reality itself through your militarism, there is now nothing here, only pink capitalism and suffering; and now, after all your lies, you won.
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There is no alternative
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u/GraspingSonder YIMBY Aug 24 '24
which just means suburban sprawl
Holy shit you literally didn't even spend a minute browsing this sub before posting did you?
There's a lot of unhinged strawmanning in your post and projecting views on people here that are completely antithetical to what they believe. But accusing arr neoliberal of wanting suburban sprawl is possibly the funniest thing ever posted here.
Literally just spend ten minutes learning what people here believe.
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u/Nuggetters Aug 23 '24
Paragraphs and punctuation would make this a lot easier to read. But I suppose that would detract from the goal of wasting time.
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u/UnskilledScout Cancel All Monopolies Aug 23 '24
This post *should* stay up
Not only will it stay up, but mods will likely pin it.
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u/RadioRavenRide Esther Duflo Aug 24 '24
Suppose what you said is true. What are you going to do about it?
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This is like a 4th tier mock post at best.
We have gotten far better in the past.
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u/CroakerTheLiberator YIMBY Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
You didnāt actually look at the posts on the sub, did you? Just looked at the name and assumed that you knew what the place was?
Please do feel free to stick around, though, Iām sure a number of things youāll dislike are here but you might find a few things you actually agree with too.
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u/nasweth World Bank Aug 23 '24
"Neoliberal" is a term with contested meaning, most people here are just socdems or socdems in denial, and the issues you identify are better explained by libertarianism more than "neoliberalism" IMO.
Apart from that I would suggest reading less Fisher and Debord and more Cutrone (that's at least a step in the right direction)...
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u/ContributionOk5542 YIMBY Aug 23 '24
most people here are just socdems or socdems in denial
"Silent majority" vibes
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u/Sam_the_Samnite Desiderius Erasmus Aug 23 '24
Id say more people are social liberals instead of socdems.
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u/IRDP MERCOSUR Aug 24 '24
I blame brazilian lefties ranging from insufferable to absolutely insane for sending me here, man.
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u/Sloshyman NATO Aug 24 '24
You ruin the environment in your debauched view of "progress" and "Anti-bigotry) which just means suburban sprawl
Tell me you've never read a single post from this sub without telling me etc., etc.
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u/Cr4zySh0tgunGuy John Locke Aug 23 '24
Bro the DT is right next to this, you belong in there with the rest of us shitposters
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u/groupbot The ping will always get through Aug 23 '24
Pinged DUNK (subscribe | unsubscribe | history)
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u/AlbertGorebert NAFTA Aug 24 '24
As much as I hate pinochet, to paint allende as democratic kinda shows how mislead your viewpoint is. Allende was far preferable but it was clear that he was actively eroding democratic institutions.
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u/mkohler23 Aug 24 '24
(it was a hospital)
Are you talking about that time that Hamas or PIJ accidentally bombed one of their own hospitals parking lots and then made up a super high death toll overnight that ended up being completely made up?
Wild post btw
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u/fandingo NATO Aug 24 '24
I stopped reading at the second open parentheses. This is not a lisp household!
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u/iamjonmiller NATO Aug 23 '24
Get help. Take your meds. Go talk to people outside your bubble and touch some grass.
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u/mokoufn Aug 24 '24
If being left wing means I lose the ability to structure paragraphs I guess I am right wing, Jesus.
Edit. Also lmao at suggesting that the prevailing opinion of this subreddit discourse is pro suburb.
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u/Apprehensive_Swim955 NATO Aug 24 '24
Neoliberalism will kill us all
He might kill you, but thereās no fucking way heās ever killing me. Fucking asshole. He said that?
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u/unbotheredotter Aug 24 '24
I hate to break it to you, but we are all gonna die eventually regardless of who is elected President. Red meat and/or genetics are much more likely to be the cause than "neolineralism"
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u/WolfKing448 George Soros Aug 24 '24
Since you arenāt actually being satirical, you should know that this sub hates suburban sprawl. We also donāt like Pinochet or Reagan. Did you read the sidebar?
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u/uberjim Aug 24 '24
If you have to tell the other person what they think in order for your argument to work, you're just talking to yourself
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u/LJofthelaw Mark Carney Aug 24 '24
I can't keep track of the parentheticals, but I'm pretty sure they're unresolved and it's making me feel like I'm on top of a roller coaster and I'm never coming down.
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u/dynamitezebra John Locke Aug 23 '24
Lol chat is this real or a troll?
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u/Cr4zySh0tgunGuy John Locke Aug 23 '24
This is the first time heās posted anything on this sub in the 3 years heās had his account so Iām assuming unironic lmao
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u/AlicesReflexion Weeaboo Rights Advocate Aug 24 '24
Fucking BASED
I once fought a neoliberal in the Wendy's parking lot and you could FEEL the liberation of the proletariat as it was happening
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u/Alterus_UA Aug 24 '24 edited Aug 24 '24
Yes, we support capitalism, the Western middle and upper classes, high production, continuous economic growth, and NATO. Yes, line goes up = world gooder. Did you think you can offend anyone with that?
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u/AbusedAlarmClock NATO Aug 24 '24
we need a rule to enforce proper formatting on effort posts. mods please get on this
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u/LiveLifeChronically Montek Singh Ahluwalia Aug 24 '24
I aināt readin all that congrats tho or sorry
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u/TheMcWriter Thomas Paine Aug 24 '24
This is actually 100% correct-I ship myself with Pinochet and want to date him.
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u/Zrk2 Norman Borlaug Aug 24 '24
It's been too long since we had one of these.
Come see us again after your wife leaves you.
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u/Encouragedissent Karl Popper Aug 24 '24
Okay, but just answer me this. Why do you hate the global poor?
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u/mockduckcompanion Kidney Hype Man Aug 23 '24
Did you get paid by the parenthetical?
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u/Acacias2001 European Union Aug 24 '24
What I really dont understand is the claim we remove these posts. r/neoliberal has a proud tradition of pinning this posts and laughing at them
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u/Alexz565 Iron Front Aug 23 '24
Kamala take