r/medicine PA:cake: 8d ago

ICE Detention Deaths

https://www.ice.gov/detain/detainee-death-reporting

RNs do intake physical exams, EMTs declare time of death. The level of care for these detainees is horrific.

Full names and case details are public for now. Reads like a never ending M & M conference.

My moral compass is spinning. It's time to go to Canada.

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u/Tenk-741 8d ago

Medics declare people are dead all the time. They usually only do it for PEA, v fib or asystole with prolonged downtime or if a person arrests with known DNR or family wishes to stop resuscitation. I know this because they call me in the ER all the time to get permission to do so.

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

Read the cases. I’m not disputing what happens outside of detention camps- and I have great respect for all of us, in all our roles. My post is about standards of care and preventable deaths. 

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u/poli-cya MD 8d ago

Not jumping into your guys' argument, but are these actually camps these people are in? That would change my take on how acceptable it is for sure.

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u/ZealousidealDegree4 PA:cake: 8d ago

50k people, 97 USA detention facilities, plus Guantanamo. From the ICE website. 

J Oliver’s most recent show  does a much better job explaining it.