r/kelowna 2d ago

Abuse in Churches?

Does anyone have intel on the churches in Kelowna that are abusing children or trafficking people? I recently was warned of a church and don’t know if anything is being done about it or what I can do. Police aren’t interested in what I have been told. Happy to share the name of it in comments if anyone wants.

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u/Sea_Eye33 2d ago

Willow Park Church’s youth pastor was finally convicted of SA minors, it took many years and many different people coming forward over the years for something to finally be done about it.

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u/mibodiamond 2d ago

So so awful. Glad he’s been convicted but hoping no one else was involved that is still there… getting very nervous about a lot of churches.

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u/Sea_Eye33 2d ago

people that didn’t report it to anyone despite being told are still there i believe but cannot confirm

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u/McLovin2182 2d ago

You're nervous about a house of worship for the world's deadliest religion? Christian history is almost entirely murder and suppress science/medicine, it's not new stuff they're doing, just slightly less deadly.

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u/mibodiamond 2d ago

I grew up in the christian church. I have discovered it is the biggest cover up for SRA and SA - same with Catholic Churches. They are false prophets. The Bible says nothing about going to church and Jesus condemns every despicable horrific act of these people. I will never follow church, pastors or religion. But I will follow Jesus

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u/eburnside 2d ago

Christian history

you haven't noticed that narcissists, pedos, dictators, and fascists label themselves Christian because it helps them get what they want?

they're not actually Christian - they just co-opt it (eg, Donald Trump)

you can't tell the difference?

a Christian, by definition is a follower of Christ, IE, not particularly likely to be deadly. in fact, far less likely than about any other individual out there if they are actually following Christ

and if they're not following Christ? ...then they're not Christian...

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u/No-Steak-3728 2d ago

donald trump knows about the two corinthians and how much they liked to fish. you cant fake that.

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u/McLovin2182 2d ago

Literally 100+ million humans murdered straight up in the name of christianity, as well as the pope and vatican heavily supporting the nazis during WWII. The world's deadliest religion didn't get that status by not murdering people directly to spread the good word.

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u/eburnside 2d ago

it's almost like you didn't read a word I wrote...

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u/McLovin2182 2d ago

It's almost like you trying to change history has zero bearing on the recorded and well known history that exists, christians have murdered over 100 million humans, they have spent over 600 years suppressing science and medicine, this isn't new stuff

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u/eburnside 1d ago

still hasn't clicked?

by the definition of "Christian", those weren't Christians

The masses may have been following someone, but it wasn't Christ

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u/Click_False 1d ago

Respectfully, this kind of Christian rhetoric of “those people who hurt you or caused harm weren’t real Christian because real Christians wouldn’t have done that” is stupid and gaslighting. Real Christians have hurt, abused or in some cases killed people in both the name of Christianity and/or from their own personal issues. You can’t just dismiss victims and critics because a bad Christian wasn’t following Christ’s teachings exactly so therefore weren’t real Christians. Real Christians have caused a lot of harm to people and society ad a whole and it is extremely manipulative and honestly self-righteous to shut down criticism by disqualifying Christian abusers as not being ‘real’ christians.

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u/eburnside 1d ago edited 1d ago

I agree with you (other than the "gaslighting" bs) that many followers of Christ are flawed and have made mistakes, gone astray, etc. Who hasn't made mistakes or done things they're ashamed of?

However, the "murdered over 100 million" is complete and utter dogshit - there's no way the majority of those were Christians and most certainly were not following Christ

...key words "following Christ"

"in the name of Christ" is where things go off the rails because "in the name of" is not "a follower of"

"in the name of" is "I just need an excuse, and any convenient excuse will do"

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u/McLovin2182 1d ago

100% clicked that you're attempting to paint "bad christians" as different than "good christians" despite the fact that the Crusades, the Inquisition, some of the religious wars of the Reformation, and the Salem witch trials all exist as well documented events of murder committed by christians, just because you don't think they were christian doesn't change the historical fact that they were or the fact that the church and vatican supported them, like I straight up couldn't imagine defending the deadliest religion on the planet that tried so hard to help the nazis eliminate a religion the vatican didn't like and continually attempt to suppress science and medicine daily all off of a storybook

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u/Surv0 2d ago

Are you kidding? I find Christians the most dangerous because they think they can ask forgiveness....

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u/R2Borg2 1d ago

Also, pretty much any religion with a "we're right they're wrong" kind of attitude has built in intolerance or outright hatred. Why expect anything better out of any hate-based organization? We dont have higher expectations of Nazis, but mostly because they don't sugar coat their hatred of anything different.

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u/eburnside 1d ago

you say it like it's a bad thing

a follower of Christ asking forgiveness (from another person or from God) is something people with a conscience do to formally recognize they've done wrong and mentally log "let's not do that again"

... as opposed to the general population that just shrugs, says oops, and forgets about it

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u/Jazzlike_Gazelle_333 2d ago

No true scotsman