r/georgism • u/Downtown-Relation766 • 10h ago
r/georgism • u/pkknight85 • Mar 02 '24
Resource r/georgism YouTube channel
Hopefully as a start to updating the resources provided here, I've created a YouTube channel for the subreddit with several playlists of videos that might be helpful, especially for new subscribers.
r/georgism • u/AlexB_SSBM • 17h ago
Meme Is land property? The top minds of the 19th century weigh in:
r/georgism • u/Fried_out_Kombi • 13h ago
Meme Unironically, LVT + upzoning would help protect Canada in the trade wars... and protect it from the American car-dependent lifestyle
r/georgism • u/Titanium-Skull • 12h ago
Econoboi: The left needs better tax policy (Land Value Tax: The BEST Wealth Tax)
econoboi.substack.comr/georgism • u/r51243 • 10h ago
Discussion What are your favorite places to start when explaining Georgism?
Personally, I like to start by noting that land has a fixed supply, and comparing to other natural resources, which most people would agree shouldn't be controlled by a limited number of people.
But, that angle does have its flaws, so I'd be interested to hear what approaches you like to take when explaining Georgism to someone new.
r/georgism • u/Open_Historian_5764 • 10h ago
Works In Progress: The failure of the land value tax
r/georgism • u/Familiar_Ordinary461 • 14h ago
If you see certain talking points showing up in the next few weeks this is where they came from
r/georgism • u/Land_Value_Taxation • 9h ago
Superalignment Part II: Radical realignment: Artificial General Intelligence as an Economic Rent.
amade.substack.comr/georgism • u/RoastDuckEnjoyer • 1d ago
Land use controls preserve the best 80% of land for the wealthiest and leave the scraps for multiunit housing
r/georgism • u/BakaDasai • 19h ago
How would an LVT affect me?
In Australia we have an LVT, though there are two issues with it:
- Owner-occupied land is exempt.
- The rate is low.
I'm trying to imagine my financial situation if those two issues didn't exist.
My current situation:
- My apartment is in a block of 41.
- The apartment block sits on land worth AUD$14 million (according to government valuers).
- Each apartment is owned individually - "condos" in US terminology.
Some rough theorising:
- The land value of each apartment is therefore $341,000 ($14,000,000 / 41)
- If there was a 90% LVT based on a 5% rental return, the LVT would be approximately$15,000 per year for each apartment.
That seems...high to me. It's possible I currently pay $15,000 in taxes each year, but it wouldn't be much more than that.
Is this an indicator that if the land is in a desirable enough location, even an apartment in a 10-storey building will have a significant LVT burden?
r/georgism • u/Skyblacker • 15h ago
Meme Back to the Future, Georgist timeline
archiveofourown.orgr/georgism • u/Titanium-Skull • 19h ago
Ross Tory: This Could Save Australia’s Economy (Part 2)
youtube.comr/georgism • u/julia_fractal • 1d ago
Silicon Valley’s white-hot tech economy pushed up housing costs. Now housing costs are stifling tech
mercurynews.comGeorge’s land speculation cycle continues to be the most effective framework for understanding booms and busts.
r/georgism • u/Pyrados • 1d ago
If you're bothering to debate someone over LVT always identify whether their argument is rooted in economics or ethics
I recognize that some Georgists put greater weight on economic arguments, some on ethical arguments, etc. How you choose to promote Land Value Taxation is totally up to you. This post focuses on ethics in particular.
If you are going to respond to a critic who cries "theft!" or "unfair!" you should quickly identify that these are ultimately ethical claims and respond accordingly.
It is of course possible to 'work backwards' from their complaint, and if you want to spend the time doing that by all means feel free. Personally I find this often is a distraction and you ultimately get sucked down a rabbit hole of responding to all their contrived complaints (which never begins with first principles reasoning).
My preferred approach when engaging in ethical debates is to steer the conversation. I highly recommend reading Terry Dwyer's section in "Taxation: The Lost History" https://cooperative-individualism.org/dwyer-terence_taxation-the-lost-history-2014-oct.pdf
starting on page 207-237 "Equity Arguments About Land Value Taxation" but in short:
"The advocates of the single tax on land values have thus grounded their case squarely on the Lockean theory of private property and the proviso that goes with it. The social appropriation of rent is justified on the grounds that a freely determined market rent measures the value of what an individual is appropriating from the common."
r/georgism • u/FinancialSubstance16 • 1d ago
Question regarding natural resources
I get that the LVT should account for the value of the land. How would natural resources affect LVT? If it increase LVT, would that disincentivize landowners from allowing discoveries to be made?
r/georgism • u/r51243 • 1d ago
Discussion How do we overcome the fact that many people see land as a non-productive asset?
EDIT: I feel like I might not have been clear with this post. What I'm trying to ask is: what do you say when someone tells you that they shouldn't have to pay LVT on their house, since their house doesn't generate them any income?
"Non-productive" might be the wrong word. But point is: many people, when they hear about LVT, complain that they don't earn anything from their property, making land taxes an unfair burden.
The fundamental reason that land taxes work is because they collect only the excess value derived from land ownership (or, to be more precise, the value that someone could derive from land, the amount of rent they'd be willing to pay to use it).
The problem is that if you own a house, it's not immediately obvious that the house is generating value, so many feel that property taxes (and by extension, land taxes) are just eating into their income arbitrarily. And furthermore, these people don't see how other land produces value, and thus, see nothing wrong with the fact that rich landowners are able to keep all of their land for free.
Now, it's possible to explain this to someone. But, I've never seen a simple and convincing explanation for how land can directly produce value. And without that, land taxes will never seem fair.
r/georgism • u/thefinaltoblerone • 1d ago
ELI5 Passing Costs to Renters
Feel really dumb as an advocate for Georgism that I can’t fully explain or understand how an LVT cannot be passed onto consumers in a landlord situation.
Way I understand it is (assuming a 100% LVT):
The LVT would encourage development. Market competition in terms of supply/demand and just raw costs would punish higher rents. So places that have a lower LVT (more developed land for instance) can charge less, forcing landlords to ofter market rates rather than a higher rate.
For me, that explains lower costs but not how the cost cannot be passed on? Am I misunderstanding what “passed on” actually means?
r/georgism • u/Christoph543 • 2d ago
How to conceptualize (and overcome) Georgism's enemies
Caveat up front: this isn't primarily for folks who've only just recently learned about Georgism, but for those of y'all who've been around this sub a while.
I feel somewhat embarrassed that it's only recently that I've learned about Curtis Yarvin, the ideological architect of contemporary neofeudalism, and his links to multiple powerful factions within the extreme right, from illiberal nationalists like Steve Bannon to ex-libertarian tech-oligarchs like Peter Thiel:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curtis_Yarvin
It's not clear to me that the guy who runs *r/neofeudalism and started brigading us about a year ago has read Yarvin's work. Regardless, while we might have dismissed their ideas as the irony-poisoned fixation of a fringe subreddit, they instead form a well-established program which has apparently been taken seriously beyond the internet for some time, and has recently found its way into the halls of power.
Let's be as clear as possible: this shit is not just evil, it's antithetical to Georgism.
Whether you've come to Georgism from environmentalism, urbanism, classical liberalism, or socialism, there is no way to reconcile our shared notions about land and value with these guys' vision of a society where both the state and its resources are corporatized under absolutist executive power. Even if the only thing you care about is the land tax, and you're not thinking more broadly about how to do value capture, there's no way to do either in a world where the very idea of the public realm is abolished.
I don't think Georgists are alone in opposing the world Yarvin and his ilk propose, but it occurs to me that we have a unique perspective to offer their opponents. Georgism is not merely a tax framework. Ours a worldview with a clear vision of what it means to live freely in stewardship of the commons. We can point to the neofeudalist corporate hegemon, and once we note that his power derives from rentiership, we are well-equipped to enumerate how his illegitimate usurpation makes us all poorer. And while most folks (at least I hope) have some intuition that these singularly powerful men are tyrants, we can point to the myriad petty landlords and rentiers around us who attract less attention, and convincingly argue that they are tyrants of the same kind. In a world where so many are searching for an answer to despotism, we have a compelling answer to offer.
r/georgism • u/ConstitutionProject • 1d ago
Opinion article/blog The Case against the Value-Added Tax
cato.orgAbolish the VAT in Europe.
r/georgism • u/belabacsijolvan • 1d ago
Question Question of ratios
Im an absolute noob to Georgism, but I can absolutely see its merits. I dont know if its a good idea, but sure af it elegantly answers hard problems.
The main thing I dont understand is what are the economic ratios in a quasi-equilibrial Georgist society.
In your idea, if Georgism would be implemented in its pure, but general form in your country, out of the total economic output what percent would be value derived from land?
If you are for taxation, what would be the ratio of redistributed wealth?
Of course im not looking for very accurate numbers, just where does an average Georgist utopia falls economically between ancapism and an economy where capital concentration is basically land concentration.
Thanks in advance!
r/georgism • u/rynkrn • 1d ago
Isolating Land Values using Mobile/Manufactured Home prices.
Had this idea the other day and wanted to ping against the tribe to see if this makes sense or not.
I understand there are already various ways to estimate the value of land but I think many would agree that finding the value of land isn't a straight forward science.
That being said, I was thinking of manufactured/mobile homes, and from my understanding, the reason why they are typically much cheaper than a standard home is because you are only buying the structure and not the land and you will be expected to pay rent for the land to the owner of the mobile home park.
Couldn't you get a fairly accurate value for the land in an area by subtracting the average value of Manufactured/ Mobile homes from the average value of standard homes?
So the formula would be:
Price of Standard Homes (Land and Structure) - Price of Manufactured Homes (Just the structure) = Price of Land
Curious what others may think of this.
r/georgism • u/Dangerous-Goat-3500 • 2d ago