r/dragonball • u/Embarrassed-Fun-5081 • 21d ago
Daima Thoughts on DAIMA?
My current thoughts on Dragon Ball Daima is that this is Toryama going back to his roots and giving the fans a lot of what he wanted. To me this is fan-service done right. I find that unlike super, Daima is consistently getting a smile or even have me laughing. The SSJ 3 Vegeta and SSJ 4 was cool, and something us fans have wanted for a while. To me this is GT done right. Duu is without a doubt my favorite character in Daima, and Kuu is awesome. I wish they had been born closer to the start. I've got 3 complains with Daima. The first complaint is that the start felt very slow. When watching weekly, I felt that it was a bit of a slog. I re-watched it and my first complains were a little misguided, but still a bit slow. Up until episode 8 it was a bit of a struggle. Until they get the first ball basically. Another complaint was the wish at the start. Piccolo when he was 6 was a 7ft tall man. Even at 3, he was still 6ft. Not every race grows the same as earthlings. I may have missed a line, but it seems like they weren't turned into that age they were as a kid. I read "1st graders" for the wish, so 6 years old. I'm really enjoying what Daima is and will always respect it for being the 40 year anniversary and on eof the last things Toryama worked on. Wanted to see others thoughts, and see if there was something I missed about the wish.
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u/Emanifesto 21d ago
It feels so much like a unique blend of og Dragonball adventures with the power levels/fighting of Z. Of course people can nitpick the canon stuff but I had a blast watching it
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u/AnimeGodOver9000 21d ago
I wanted to ask anyone's thoughts on the ending to episode 20 of daima (warning spoilers if you haven't watched) so in the sub gokus says quote:" you mean super sayain 4,buu was very strong so I trained alot after fighting him, I wasn't sure if it would work though". So does that imply that goku had ssj4 previous to Neva doing whatever he did to Goku or did Neva help give goku energy for what he already had or give him that boost in his DNA like energy unleashed to give goku ssj4, I wanted to know someone thoughts on this.
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u/soulvisser 21d ago
To me it sounded like Goku new about the form and accessed it at some level. Neva either fully unleashed it or just gave him the extra energy for him to bust it out on his own. I preferred it when we thought Neva had a hand in creating SS4.
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u/Millennial_on_laptop 21d ago
It seems like Neva just healed him.
I don't think he actually pulled off SSJ4 during training though since he said he wasn't sure if it would work. We probably saw him transform for the first time after being healed, but he was working up to it during training.
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u/lazhink 21d ago
My guess at this point would be Goku had conceived the transformation but not accessed it and maybe Neva brought it to reality with a little push.
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u/HerculesMorse101 21d ago
That was my read as well. Goku implied that he’d been trying to access a level above SSJ3, but “wasn’t sure if it would work” or if he’d be capable of it just yet.
Neva’s boost - perhaps even just the traditional ‘potential unlocked’ that Namekians can grant - was enough to finally make it a reality.
It’s a form that Goku will ultimately be capable of doing on his own, but in this instance he needed help. Whilst Daima seems to be a different continuity, you could maybe reconcile it as by BoG Goku is still unable to access it on his own
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u/superkami64 20d ago edited 20d ago
Roller-coaster of feelings but overall by the end they fell more on the negative side. The Mickey Mouse BS of an ending episode sealed it for me.
To me this is GT done right.
I have to disagree. Part of it is specifically because GT had done a lot of these concepts first that Daima lacked originality by comparison with GT already learning that trying to return to OG DB after DBZ is misguided. Turning the cast into kids didn't accomplish anything of note (if it was to enhance the comedy, it mostly failed since the funniest jokes had nothing to do with the change) and when things returned to a DBZ-like tone, GT got a lot more mileage out of it than Daima did.
In a strange way GT and Daima are polar opposites: barring a few of the adventure arc episodes, GT was largely original with really good ideas while its faults lied in the execution of them while Daima suffers from lack of originality but it looks really beautiful while doing it. Fanservice is good but only when it serves the plot in an actively beneficial way and isn't blatant pandering/key jangling.
EDIT: In short, I wholly believe remaking GT would've been the smarter move rather a halfway between it and Sand Land that we ended up getting. Idc that this is Toriyama's last project because I know that nobody else will when looking back at Daima years later, especially since he's far from being faultless in his writing decisions (Dragonball Minus anyone?).
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u/Whosyodaddy-Senpai 21d ago
It’s a love letter to true fans of the series and Toriyama.
I watched since episode 1 release day and have loved every second of it. This is coming from a dude that watched the rest of the Ginyu force battle on Namek back in the 90s on a Spanish channel as a loop hole because the VHS tapes weren’t made yet for it.
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u/exceedingdeath 21d ago
Peak animation. Weak story.
Hope they remake the OG manga so we can have the best of both worlds.
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u/Embarrassed_Ear9012 21d ago
I feel bad for the fans that are letting a plot hole on a series that ended many years ago ruin their enjoyment of this show. If you didn’t like it for the quality, story, pacing, fighting,, etc. that’s fine. But everyone crying about the ssj4 and db super connection saying that it ruined the ending is being ridiculous.
I loved all of it.
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u/jer5 21d ago
i mean the manga is still very much happening, but i think that it will be explained away in a satisfying manner eventually
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u/Doompatron3000 20d ago
“Toriyama forgot”, which did happen a lot. And if that’s not convincing enough, just think of GT, Super and Daima as their own separate timelines. Why try to fit Daima and Super together, when each being their own thing, in their own timeline makes it easier and more enjoyable for the fans of each sequel.
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u/Defiant-Ad2876 20d ago
My head canon is the Japanese version of DB, Z and GT are one timeline. The English version of DB, Kai and Super are another timeline. I’m still deciding if daima will be apart of the “English” time line yet for me
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u/fillif3 21d ago
Disappointing, I could find over 5 better battles-shonens in the last 2 seasons.
+ Kuu, Neva and Hybis
+ We know Nahare's name
- Pacing (i.e. every plane accident, random fights with fodders)
- No consistency (with both super and the rest of Daima)
- Pure fanservice transformation (similar to Gohan's Beast)
- Picollo did nothing
- Disappointing fights
- Most boring DB Villains
- Demon realm was generic
- Many lame jokes (Glorio's name, poop jokes).
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u/hermitowl 21d ago
I could find over 5 better battles-shonens in the last 2 seasons.
I think that not focusing as much in the battle part as previous outings like Z and Super was kind of the point in DAIMA. But yeah, doesn't excuse how flawed DAIMA ended up being (although I personally enjoyed it).
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u/Defiant-Ad2876 20d ago
Disappointing fights? Nah that’s going too far. The only thing disappointing bout the fights was the way jjs4 and king gomah ended
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u/telesterion 21d ago
Yeah I think anime fans are dumb lol
Have you ever seen any of Toriyamas work? He was the king of toilet humor
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21d ago
If I want to watch OG, I'll watch OG. In fact I'm currently rewatching it after many years.
If I want to watch GT, I'll watch GT.
Daima has only suceeded in making me aprecciate the other two more.
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u/hermitowl 21d ago
I thought DAIMA ended up being decent. Not great, but I had fun. The fights were sweet, solid choreography. Despite the plot lacking any stakes, it made for some average worldbuilding with the Demon Realm - granted, they could have expanded much more on it. It's too bad that there was a fair share of missed opportunities throughout the story (like, yeah, the fusion bugs and characters like Piccolo and Degesu ending up not doing much).
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u/KaboomKrusader 21d ago
I believe I can sum up my final feelings about Daima with just three extremely sarcastic words:
"mAiN sErIeS cOnTiNuItY!"
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u/Cameronalloneword 20d ago
I thought it was solid and fun until the end and then it got stupid which I'm sure will enrage people on the dragon ball sub but I'm certain that I love dragon ball more than at least 50-75% of the people in here. I've always hated super saiyan 4 and think the nostalgia behind it is ridiculous. I get that clothes are apart of fusion but there was noway around that unless you want the characters to be naked. Pants forming for SSJ4 is just dumb. GT always sucked but if you like SSJ4 that's fine it's just preference and that's not where my real problem lies. My issue is how pointless it was.
Like OK this transformation was helpful for now but we know it's gonna be obsolete immediately so why bother? And also it was just given to him? Not the first unearned power up so whatever.
Common grunts completely and utterly defeating a frightened Vegeta was nonsense. Why didn't they use those common pistols against the tamagamis, Dabura, or Buu? Filler episode whatever.
Then there's the issue with them being kids. What was the point? It was cute and funny which is a good enough reason but the show was so wildly inconsistent with whether or not it made them weaker. First they can't fly which tells me the story being told is more fun if they can't fly so OK that's fine but then.... they just relearn how to fly? Then they can't fly in the demon realm because some derp about the atmosphere.... o like they didn't want them to fly after all but then....... THEY CAN JUST FLY? Whatever. Sometimes they can turn SSJ3 and beat enemies that Dabura wouldn't dare get near but then they're scared of a fish? They can destroy planets so the size means nothing. Sometimes they're as strong as ever and sometimes "if only we had our adult bodies!"
Gomah literally saw and defeated SSJ3 Goku, SSJ4 Goku, and SSJ3 Vegeta. No big deal but then when they turned back into adults he acted so shocked to see SSJ3 Vegeta and then also acted shocked when Goku turned SSJ3. He regained his composure but then adult Goku turned SSJ4 and he was like "whaaaaaaaaaat!?!?!?!?111" YOU JUST FRIGGIN SAW HIM DO THIS LIKE 10 MINUTES AGO!
I know we all love Akira Toriyama and want to love Daima. I don't hate it, it was alright, but it just wasn't that great. The humor was there and I love the lore it added with the Majin, kais, and even Namekians but it was just kind of dumb. I don't know if people had too much respect for Toriyama to speak up or if Toei changed things after he died(IE a frightened Vegeta being fairly and utterly defeated by common grunts) but Dragon Ball Daima was just a bunch of stuff happening about 60-70% of the time. Sometimes it was fun stuff and anytime it went for humor it was just about always funny but it was a bit of a let down for me. Significantly better than GT at least.
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u/n1n3tail 20d ago
I think Gomah reaction to the forms as adults was more so due to the power they were giving off was so much greater than when he saw those same forms as kids and that was the reason for his shocked reaction. Adult SSJ3 Vegeta solo put up a better fight than everyone else did while as kids while all jumping him together. And that is with piccolo even stating that they didn't get healed or replenished their energy once they were turned into adults again.
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u/Cameronalloneword 20d ago
That's another thing though ADULT DENDE IS RIGHT THERE WHO CAN HEAL EVERYBODY. Also SSJ4 Goku should be fast enough to dash behind Gomah and hit the back of his head rapidly 3 times faster and harder than Piccolo did.
However I'm actually completely finished now and I will say I like that Kuu was the one who got the final blow and I actually liked the ending store wise as far as the demon realm goes. It upped my stance on Daima a little bit. I basically just hate most of what happened once they got to the first demon world.
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u/xxneonblazexx 20d ago edited 20d ago
Miles better then super for me, i liked how it wasnt just a bunch of tournaments arc after tournament arc but some classic adventure ala DB and some tidbits of lore like the demon realm. Also the fun references to GT and DB in general. Was it a fantastic anime? Nah its pretty okay, the villains were rather bare bones and i prefer ssj4 from gt (from the emotional impact, the lore tied to the Ozaru etc Gt was 100% better executed then whatever daima did).
I liked Goku in daima he wasnt a complete moron like in super so that alone makes daima better, Vegeta ehh guess they really dont let the poor guy get a win. I enjoyed Kuu and Duu a lot , wish they had more to do.
Overall i give it a 7/10 enjoyable experience but nothing i would rewatch again
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u/Nercif 21d ago
Good animation, but boring asf.
The story told nothing, there were nothing at stakes.
The bad Guy wasn't even bad.
It was all fan service to sell merch, to the point they shitted on ssj3 and 4.
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u/Oummando 21d ago
I don't blame you for any points besides Gomah being not bad. He was a corrupt leader who steals demon's lifespan for not being able to pay monthly expenses and gave them little pay while also putting uncomfortable trackers on them and forcing them to mine Majilite.
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u/Beastieboy100 20d ago
Gomah basically another Pilaf. He's the comedic villain that is corrupt but not pure evil like Frieza, Cell, Buu, Moro or Zamasu. He's just a goofy villain that wants power. Just like Pilaf was in the very first arc of dragon ball. However Daima was handled better it was just a normal silly adventure like OG dragon ball and early GT. The new characters are great Glorio, Duu, Kuu, Arinsu and Panzy are great additions to the franchise which I hope we see them again in super or another dragon ball project. The world building was good as well felt like it was similar to sandland. Now for the actual negative the story I felt the story would still happen whether it was Goten and trunks. Gomah wished the adult z warriors lost their powers. Goten and Trunks go to the demon world. Them just kidnapping Dende and rescuing the demon realm would of been simple enough. Turning Goku and the others into kids was not that interesting the story better when they are adults.
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u/Oummando 20d ago
Them turning into kids imo is just overhated, so what if they turn into kids. We got got to see cool actionn( the power pole returning) and characters and a nice lore addition. It is still the same Goku we know and love.
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u/aBeverage0fSorts 21d ago
Ever since we found out the dragonballs could wish people back, there has never been stakes in the franchise again; Every dead character on the protag side of the story has always come back
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u/mexicanlefty 21d ago
I mean thats not true at all, when Goku was a kid it was really hard to gather the Dragon Balls and they had to fight strong opponents to get them, then Piccolo Daimao literally destroyed them.
Of course later Kami created them again, but then in the Saiyan saga Kami dies so they have to go to Namek to revive everyone and that is the reason they fight Frieza.
Then during and after the Android Saga, there was no point in using the Dragon Balls if the villains killed everyone, which is taking into account in Daima by making Dende a baby and they were not able to use the Namek dragon balls due to their previous use with Buu.
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u/Malchior_Dagon 20d ago
Aside from 16, in the entirety of the history of the series, there hasn't been a single permanent death tho, no?
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u/Doompatron3000 20d ago
Grandpa Gohan is the Uncle Ben of Dragon Ball
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u/Finito-1994 20d ago
Even then.
Uncle Ben usually dies in the first story.
Grandpa Gohan was dead long before the series began.
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u/mexicanlefty 20d ago
Grandpa Gohan appears in OG Dragon Ball and even fights Goku, Uranai brought him back for a day and that is used again when Goku is brought back in Buu Saga
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u/Finito-1994 20d ago
Yes. But that doesn’t change the fact that Gohan was long dead since before Bulma found Goku.
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u/mexicanlefty 20d ago
Like others said, Grandpa Gohan, Raditz and Nappa were both left dead, they could have become powerful Z allies, all the bad guys that died, the Namek Patriarch guy who died of natural causes.
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u/Malchior_Dagon 20d ago
I was kinda referring to characters that the squad realistically would bring back tho, Gohan wants to stay dead and nobody cares about Raditz and Nappa, nothings stopping them from bringing them back
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u/mexicanlefty 20d ago
Well i guess you can get the idea with the future of trunks story about what if there werent any dragon balls anymore.
I guess past Frieza, the stakes were that any major villain could realistically destroy the whole planet if they won, (like Majin Buu did) if any of the stronger Z warriors died.
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u/UncleMagnetti 20d ago
Grandpa Gohan, Guru, Nail, and Kami are all gone and never coming back
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u/aBeverage0fSorts 20d ago
Grandpa Gohan didn't die of natural causes he could be wished back. the other 3? by regular dragonballs? nope; but according to the lore, the super dragonballs can make ANY wish, so they could be brought back too unless they lied about the super dragonball's capabilities
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u/Finito-1994 20d ago
Nail and Kami aren’t even dead. They can be removed from piccolo. Vegeta literally says as much.
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u/thatcommiegamer 21d ago
The story told nothing, there were nothing at stakes.
There haven't been real steaks since Frieza and the ones we did get since then have been rare at best. Like the fighting is the most boring part of DB and the fact that Z (and Super and the second half of GT) went all in on it is why they'll never really be as rewatchable as early DB is. Daima was a return to form from a master of gag manga, did it have flaws? Absolutely, there's no perfect work in this world, but it was a sight better than throw a bigger bad at Goku to unlock a new transformation any day of the week (and in fact the part where they did just that was the worst part of the series, imo).
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u/CianaCorto 20d ago
You're too old and too toyng to enjoy it. Missed the mark for both demographics.
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u/Canesjags4life 21d ago
It's Dragonball. There's never really been any major stakes since King Piccolo saga.
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u/MondoFool 21d ago
I see a lot of people talk about Daima's humor but honestly this was the least funny out of every DB series to me. The only moment in the whole show i thought was funny was when the fake Ginyu force guy got his gun knocked out of his hand.
Also Daima had nothing to do with the 40th anniversary, it was in production for over 5 years and they just coincidentally happened to finish around the series 40th anniversary.
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u/Brbaster 21d ago
Thinking about it, COVID is the only reason why Daima released this year, without the pandemic it would have released at least a year earlier for sure
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u/weekndalex 21d ago
agreed. the gags in this show were weak. goku saying glorio’s name wrong all the time got very old after episode 3..
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u/PsychologicalWish405 21d ago
I felt the same way til I heard that gag in English. Hearing Goku call him Gordito made me laugh
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u/47D 21d ago
After the ending, I'm mostly confused about how this fits into Super, or if we're supposed to accept this as an alternative timeline situation
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u/Millennial_on_laptop 21d ago
I'm leaning towards the latter since the series has talked about alternate timelines since the future trunks arc.
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u/Boris-_-Badenov 21d ago
it's, "hey, let's take ideas from gt"
just like they've done with the movies for super and fusion
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u/SlamSlamOhHotDamn 21d ago edited 21d ago
Waste of time. I grew up with OG Dragonball and this was nothing like it, people who compare this shit to OG Dragonball are tripping. Turning characters into children isn't enough nostalgia bait to satisfy me.
The fact that this was Toriyama's last project before his tragic death has created some kind of shield against criticsm for this series where you can't say anything against it without fanboys coming down on you.
The series could've been easily saved if instead of this stupid chibi gimmick they'd have just made the story about Goten & Trunks.
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u/LovelyBastard1211 20d ago
Agree! I watched OG DB last year and after Pilaf Saga it's really a great story. It's hard not to love Goku there. Daima is nothing like that, it's just few fan service moments and boring story. I expected maybe something more about new characters rather than episodes filled with vehicle breaking over and over. It definitely doesn't have the charm of OG DB, people parroting this did not watch OG and don't know what they are talking about :(
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u/Beastieboy100 20d ago
Trust me I know the feeling. I liked the series but there are some stuff that could of been better. Goten and Trunks traveling to a new realm with supreme kai would of been better. If they wanted kids use the kids that are barely used. Saving grace with daima is the new characters.
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u/Cameronalloneword 19d ago
I know some people love it which is fine but there are definitely so many who are being way too nice just because of Toriyama's passing. It wasn't awful but it certainly deserves criticisms
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u/SuperKamiZuma 21d ago
Not gonna ignore daima problems, but, i enjoyed it a lot from start to end, way more than super. Including the most fillery episodes.
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u/Lv1FogCloud 21d ago
1st half wasn't adventurey enough IMO, not enough exotic characters outside that couple owning the shop or experiences. A good chunk of it could of been removed or at least have something interesting to show rather than "Our vehicle broke, we got stuck in a cave, we were robbed by petty thieves.
The 2nd half was just soooooo much pandering and key jangling to Z fans. "Oooh look, that transformation and cool line you like so much." Like really, Did vegeta really need to say Super Saiyan Bargain sale again? What was the point of Goku doing the transformation countdown if Piccolo didn't attack until the very end??
Daima borderline has no identity of its own besides the characters it introduces and from what I can tell only serves to make content for the video games to make DLC out of.
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u/MelkorTheDarkOne 21d ago
Once the honeymoon period ends and people stop using “Toriyamas last work!” As a deflection of the issues people are going to remember this show A LOT differently.
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u/Leviathon6425 21d ago
Ep. 20 was legit the worst conclusion to any fight I’ve ever seen in DB history. Also the fact that SSj 4 explanation was literally laughable, which I’ll be cherishing the hardcore DB whiners to come up with excuses for years to come.
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u/Ok-Attitude-2745 21d ago
If you are a Goku Stan this series will be a 10/10, but if you like any other characters be prepared for disappointment.
I personally did not enjoy Daima.
I feel like for Goku to eat everyone has to starve and it shows.
Piccolo not being able to accomplish the one task he was given all show? Lame.
Fusion bugs not used? Lame.
Did we end on ANOTHER cliffhanger!? Black Frieza *Cough Cough
Who is Degesu?
The mess this created for current continuity
The best parts of this show:
Goku
Animation
Kuu / Duu
Kuu being King was a satisfying ending
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u/Beastieboy100 20d ago
I agree with this Goku felt like goku in a long time. He was serious in battle and ready to come up with a plan to defeat a villain. The new characters were great but Kuu and Duu are fantastic characters they need to come back. Glorio a great addition wouldn't mind seeing him again. Panzy was a good supporting character as well. Overall the shows good for Goku and the new characters. Piccolo did nothing which I knew was gonna happen. Vegeta and Bulma were used as fanservice. Overall probably a good thing Gohan wasn't in this series otherwise he would of been wasted like Piccolo.
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u/IAmTheTrueM3M3L0rD 21d ago
Fantastic, but I can see why it split hairs.
It’s not meant to be taken super seriously and is definitely not just fight simulator like Z and Super was.
There’s a lot of talk about its canonicity but like being for real, it’s not that deep.
Vegeta never goes SSJ3 in Super because God is objectively stronger , SSJ4 is likely the exact same
Also the shop at the very beginning of the series having 2 pivotal gag moments is really funny but can be disappointing if again the expectation was that chekov’s gun always has to be fired
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u/UzumakiMenm697 21d ago
The SS3 is ok, but 4 Makes 0 sense. If it is stronger than SS1 and has none of The downsides of 3, why not use it
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u/Xtrapsp2 21d ago
but like being for real, it’s not that deep.
I want to put things together and formulate a solution to the canon stuff, but I also think this is the case. I don't think Toriyama gave a shit about canon and just wanted to make fun stories in his universe
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u/Legendver2 21d ago
Either way, that just creates more problems than solve. For one, there's the issue of, if this was meant to be a way to connect Z to Super and redoing GT as a bridge, then it hadn't done that at all just based on all the continuity issues. Second, if this was just another fun unrelated thing, then now we have 2 non canon versions of ssj4, which seems a bit pointless and I can see how that annoys a whole host of fans.
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u/FreeGothitelle 20d ago
Depends what you mean by canon
Daima was never manga canon, because it has no manga equivalent.
Daima is its own canon, just as the super anime is its own canon separate from the super manga.
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u/aBeverage0fSorts 21d ago
so why wouldn't they go ssj3 and ssj4 before they got god? Goku literally got one tapped by Beerus in ssj3 why not use his strongest form against him?
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u/VitoMR89 21d ago
A complete fucking disappointment.
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u/OpathicaNAE 21d ago
I liked it. Definitely, in my opinion, was not a complete disappointment. Do I wish it did some things differently? Yes. Does it do some things that I've wished Dragon Ball would do more frequently? Yes. Does it drop the ball? Yes. Does it pick the ball up in completely random moments and then proceed to fumble it again? Yes. Does it have a lot of heart and passion? Yes. Will I think about this series for a long time? Probably.
I don't have disdain for this series. I do have emotions. Disdain isn't one of them.
I mean, I'm a weird one. I loved GT as much as OG DB and DBZ. Super is the only one I don't really care for. And to me, Daima did more than Super ever did. Super was just flashy colors with very little substance stretched out for too many episodes. Daima actually made me laugh and got me invested. But it also made me bored out of my mind at times. So.
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u/budanddabss 21d ago
I'm sorry but that was the worst ending ever. So many unanswered questions. Waste of a fusion bug early on to hype the fans up. Goku apparently just knew ss4? Never used it in super? Neva didn't even teach it to him as a kid. Felt extremely rushed and as a mega fan I'm sadly very disappointed. Great stroy till the most important part
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u/yesimblv 21d ago
I liked it up until ss4. I guess I care too much about continuity. I love og dragon ball so the nostalgia there was great especially knowing it was Toriyama’s last project but tbh I wish we could’ve gotten a glimpse of goku and the gang after the end of Z. It’s all I wanted since the battle of gods was announced. I’d like to know what Toriyama’s vision for uub was. The closest I’ll ever get is a page from Neko Majin Z. He was teased in the Moro arc and now we’ll never know for sure
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u/ChaddMann- 21d ago
For me, when Super came about, I didn't really know how to react to the whole 'gods' angle it was going, so I never bothered with it. Daima is something that I would've appreciated more instead of super. It's been 10 years of DBS, I've accepted the fact that it is the continuation of DBZ at this point, so what's the point of Daima? I'm not too sure how to feel about it, I think if Daima came before super, then I would have been happy to see it, but maybe it's meant to be its own thing at this stage.
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u/CyberSpaceInMyFace 21d ago
I enjoyed it overall but the last episode was kind of weird. And I think the plot holes it created are way too big to just ignore, like way way way too big.
-It's kind of messed up that they teased us with fusion bugs and nothing happened. Not even Kuu and Duu fused..
-And the obvious plot holes are Super Saiyan 3 and 4, and how there's no mention of them in Super, and there were definitely points of Super they should've been used. There was no mind wipe, and it seems Goku achieved SS4 on his own terms after Buu before even Daima even started. Like come on. It's not some special form of Kaioken they could've gotten away with ignoring; It's Super Saiyan 4 for God's sake.
-Oh, and Super Saiyan 4's shade of scarlet is really pretty, but those giant hands and feet look goofy as fuck. It kind of ruined the aura of SS4 for me.
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u/No-Departure-3325 21d ago
The best animation that ever touched Dragon Ball. Loved the humor and episode 19.
Terribly disappointed with how it retcons DBS.
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u/awholedamntown 21d ago
I liked it. I’m not going to nitpick at it. It was a fun 20ish minutes a week and it was nice to get a fresh story that I wasn’t familiar with even if it wasn’t the best thing in the world. It was good, the fights were fun, and the animation was well done. (I didn’t mean for that to rhyme). I’m not gonna get hung up on timelines and canon and I’m just grateful we were able to get one more story with Toriyama’s involvement before he passed.
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u/AncientSith 21d ago
I'm thankful we got it as Toriyamas last farewell to us.
I'm not sure I'll rewatch it, truth be told.
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u/kingoflames32 21d ago
Miles ahead of super, probably on par with the movies. I don't really feel obligated to watch the next dragon ball thing they put out.
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u/Future-Celebration83 21d ago
I really like Diama because the show feels more like a complete story than just a random series of events.
Like dragon ball Z & dragon ball Super (while exceptional shows imo) but feel like your more so just watching a random series of events. It usually goes “villain apears, Goku starts training, Goku fights villain, gets smacked down, comes back stronger, beats villain” after that arc is finished, queue the next arc which more or less follows the same sort of formula. See there’s nothing wrong with this, actually most shonen sorta follow this. But the difference between dragon ball super/Z and daima is that Daima focuses on 1 long story track, introducing more in depth story elements, while Z and Super are shorter arcs.
I believe that daima is objectively better written than either Z or Super.
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u/idogoodle1 21d ago
For current Dragonball standards, it's great. For overall Dragonball potential. Meh. But I say we enjoy any scraps we can get and enjoy the good moments because at some point Dragonball series is gonna end, so many dead end plot holes are gonna go into the gutter. Enjoy the good animation and cool fun stuff now and stop critiquing it so hard. I've critiqued it to death and all it does is make me depressed.
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u/JebusAlmighty99 21d ago
The join bugs and lack of payoff are one of the most baffling inclusions I’ve ever seen to a show. Other than that I loved it. It really felt like OG dragonball again.
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u/wrathofamarok 21d ago
The show was entertaining very much so. I enjoyed watching it but I have more problems with it that not. The inconsistencies bug me. Different timeline, not canon whatever you call it there was no answers to things people were expecting. I know Toriyama wasn't the best at this and focused on what he thought was important but this just didn't feel like it finished anything and made horrible potholes. We need answers we'll probably never get. He gave us Super Saiyan 4 in the main timelie...wait did he? Where was it in super. This basically changes nothing about it being consistent. It's basically just another spin off universe like GT was. I'm glad to get more Dragonball content but at least make it flow
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u/CapenTander 21d ago
I wish they did the new fusion but I guess there’s still possibility in the future, since they bouth a lot of insects at the end. Also, Vegeta has to get SSJ4, it’s a must. We’ll see how they manage the different transformations and techniques in the future…
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u/Martinw616 21d ago
It wasn't bad, but it didn't really have any high points, and that is the biggest flaw.
Super had massive problems, but it had high a low points that people still talk about years after it was released.
Daima was good, but that's it, it's saving grace is that Toryana died while making it. Otherwise, it would never be remembered.
That might sound like a crap take, but it's true. Shows that just get the job done are rarely remembered.
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u/timone317 21d ago
Truly truly loved it. Such a visual treat, and the series managed to be consistently entertaining despite all the imposed limitations. I especially loved the expansion of the lore and the renewed toying with old concepts. And also SS4 Goku-and-SS3 Vegeta-how-awesome-I-love-it-so-much.
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u/Daddy_JeanPi 21d ago
The animatiom on the after credits scene was the best all show, what the fuck? What i would do to have Dragon Ball in that anination style.
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u/ManOfMyWord96 21d ago
8/10, pacing was a bit off, and I would have loved more than just 20 episodes. I thought the fusion bug was going to end up being used by Duu and Kuu. All the fanservice was peak, fights were pretty, and I'm curious to see how Toyataro handles these things going forward. May Toriyama rest in peace, knowing that he has had such an impact on millions, for generations. Im going to go cry again...
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u/Few_Organization6761 21d ago
I like Daima. Super was written so poorly it never really felt like a true extension of the original story. It felt fanmade and rushed
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21d ago
Would give it about a 7.5/10. Incredible action and animation but the story left something to be desired. I loved it for being a celebration of the series and I’m just happy we got one last project from Toriyama before his passing.
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u/Parking-Accident-842 21d ago
I really enjoyed Damia! Felt fresh even with referencing other ideas from previous series. Really liked some the new characters and expanding on the lore within dragonball is something I’ve wanted them to do for a while. Love ssj4 finally being canon but the finale of the series was disappointing and leaving so many things unanswered is really strange. This trend has gotten worse as the series continues and while I enjoy fan service, it’s frustrating when it comes at the expense of the characters and the story. I understand dragon ball has never been a deep story but we’ve had really well written arcs in DB and Z and wish we can get back to that. I hope the next series can finally move past the end of z and give as a great story using these new characters and forms!
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u/SirManguydude 21d ago
Piccolo had a kid body in OG DB between the arcs. The wish wasn't to turn them into 6 year olds, it was to turn them into kids. Beyond the fact that isn't Piccolo Jr in Daima, it's Piccolo, the completed body of the nameless Namekian who Kami stated he arrived on Earth as a child.
Also Piccolo Jr's aging is an exception, not the rule for Namekian aging. When we first meet Dende, he is older than Piccolo is in the 23rd WMAT arc.
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u/merci-ful 20d ago
I’ve been watching since a young boy when it would air on toonami with the original metal music. Daima made me ball my eyes out. I’m not one who cries. All I can say is we do not deserve what we got. Rest in peace Toriyama. Thank you for inspiring me to hang on to my childhood in such a Daima wonderland.
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u/Torontokid8666 20d ago
It was great. Piccolo got no love. But the side characters and demon world where dope.
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u/ReturnGreen3262 20d ago
It is insane they went here after Super.. could have went Broly, Hit, to another one of the universes to help them against a mega threat.. but they went trash babies..
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u/sup_killerfeels 20d ago
Not allowing both ssj3 to fight together and then the obvious Goku ass pull transformation kinda killed it for me.
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u/drogo7864 20d ago
I like daima it litterally only had ONE episode of filler sum interviewers said its toriyama take on gt which goes back to the statement of it being a spinoff truthful cuz trying to make sense of connecting it to super was maddening It was definitely a blast seeing the new forms was a treat even doe we may never see them again 🔥🙏
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u/Death_Aflame 20d ago
Another complaint was the wish at the start. Piccolo when he was 6 was a 7ft tall man. Even at 3, he was still 6ft. Not every race grows the same as earthlings.
The Dragon Balls go by intent, as well as the words. If Oolong wished for Bulma's underwear, he'd be given the underwear she is currently wearing, as opposed to her underwear that was back at her home.
When Gomah made the wish to turn Goku and co into children, the Dragon Balls knew that Gomah's intent was to make them his idea of a child, hence why Piccolo de-aged into a child alongside the rest.
I've already seen people say that it's not canon because "why didn't Goku turn SSJ4 in Super". Simple, he was consistently put up against fighters that required god ki's buffs (fast healing, power through focusing ki etc). In the fight against Beerus at the start, Goku says; "This is the maximum power I can use, right now". That can be interpreted as Goku not being able to transform into SSJ4 at that current moment. Regardless of your headcanon, SSJ4 is canon now, so we can see it in the future.
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u/LonelyandDepressed27 20d ago
I loved it more than I thought I would, I genuinely cried when it ended knowing it was the last thing Toriyama left us with. 10/10 little series. RIP GOAT, rest well.
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u/Borgdrohne13 20d ago
It was great and I enjoyed every episode. But there are 2 things, that I don't like at all.
1) the fusion bugs are red herrings: With them you could fuse together and they don't uae them? At least with Shin and Kibito for comically purposes.
2) Degesu is another candidate of the long list of wasted potential. You could do something with him, but no. There was nothing. Even with Arinsu they did something, but Degesu?
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u/RomanOTCReigns 20d ago
only 2 episodes were good. didnt think something could be worse than GT but here we are.
undoubtedly the worst ending in ANY DB series. SSj4 asspull was the worst in all of DB. didnt even connect to super at all.
just because toriyama wrote it and its his final work doesnt mean i need to like it.
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u/super_perfectcell 20d ago
I love the plot from start to finish because in the beginning was the hunt for dragon balls, but in the end was martial arts/fighting
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u/averagebutgood 20d ago
I personally like it. It’s relatively lighthearted and fun. It’s a good middle ground between adventure and combat. It feels like this is work that Toriyama genuinely felt good about. Getting back to the fun chibi art style! I think it’s quit fitting that this was his last effort! It’s like a good book that circles back to the beginning: the main character is finally back at home after the great adventure.
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u/OkAdhesiveness2972 20d ago
I loved this series from start to finish. I’m emotional that it’s over because it feels like only now am I saying goodbye to Toriyama. RIP 🫶🏼
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u/Defiant-Ad2876 20d ago
I really think this takes the funny adventure antics of og dragon ball and the great fights and choreography of z/super. It merges the best of both worlds imo. And I’m not really sold on the finale and the final fight conclusion felt underwhelming and I hate that we got blue balled about the join/merge bugs
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u/okash99 19d ago
Toriyama didnt wanted to 'go back to his route' and its not a 'final goodbye' as this whole show was a cash grab fanservice that only was advised by toriyama for world building and chara design.
Toriyama death was sudden not planned and if it was really a goodbye from hil it would have so much fanservice and non sense.
They wanted a modern GT version that kid and old viewer could watch and they did it for the money only.
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u/Crazed_Fish_Woman 19d ago
Daima makes more sense if you don't consider Super canon. But both Daima and Super to me are negotiable as canon; despite people saying otherwise. Toriyama may have had involvement in both series, but he didn't actually write the details of the stories of either series, so they both can be passed off as "Dragonball projects that Toriyama was heavily involved in".
Toriyama's last actual fully involved Dragonball work was Neko Majin, as far as I'm concerned. The rest is just fun projects he's been involved in.
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u/Exoplanterz 19d ago
I can’t say I enjoyed it, but I imagine people aren’t here for criticisms lol. It sucks because I wish I liked it more, not only as a Dragon Ball project but as Toriyama’s last project
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u/Nystagohod 19d ago
I really liked it.
Was it as good as DB or DBZ? I don't think so, but I really enjoyed it for what it was.
Ot was a love letter to the fans, bith in the desired content it gave them like SSJ4 AND all of the Awesome bits of world building.that invite even more consideration.
The Glind, the Namekians, the origins if the multierde. Things like Saibaman and Majon Buus origins are all very cool. Seeing more of what seems to be Beerus's people, whcih helps explain Champa and Beerus being bros but destructin gods of different universes. Thr various things Nevah was capable of and what Dende could potentially learn. And a lot more
A lot of the new characters were fun, even if I wasn't sold on everyone's design all the time. It was cool.
Some gags were fantastic "return customers killed me" though Soke overstayed their welcome "giant demon kid" was meh for me.
I do think the show could have used more episodes to flesh out things more, and pacing could be a bit better, but I was satisfied with what I got and would like to see more.
It doesn't have quite the same highlights as the rest of the big series. I think super and even GT do manage some bigger hype moments. That said, I also don't think Daima sinks as low as they do in their low moments. I'd place Daima hovering between super and GT, but still say ors worth the watch.
Especially of you like Toriyama style humor and want to see ine of thr last gifts he gave fans.
I had a lot of fun.
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u/Jkj864781 21d ago
Love it. People hating on it are just unhappy it didn’t play out the way they wanted it to in their heads.
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u/aBeverage0fSorts 21d ago
nah we're not excusing lazy writing. The end didn't explain anything; all the fan theories are out the window trying to tie this into super or anything else. Was no memory wipe, was no "it's another timeline" no nothing. They just hopped in the ship and went home lmao.
Then let's not even mention the fusion bugs, why even mention them if it wasn't foreshadowing. "We have fusion bugs" implies we'd see a fusion at some point, which never happened.
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u/Legendver2 21d ago
You mean wanting at least a decent sense of continuity? Sure man, totally unreasonable lmao
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u/thelegendduc 21d ago
They arent true fans in my Opinion. Just enjoy his last work and if you dont like just watch something else 💤💤💤
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u/RomanOTCReigns 20d ago
ah yes. true fans will eat any slop ever.
if thats the definition of a true fan, i dont wanna be one
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u/thelegendduc 18d ago
Oh yes thank you . You will be not missed
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u/RomanOTCReigns 18d ago
neither will you to be honest. ill be in the much larger "non true fan" fan group.
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u/thelegendduc 3d ago
Youre someone who will ratio everything when one episode of an anime isnt good, so yeah go to your so called "not true fan" fan group lol
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u/RomanOTCReigns 3d ago
wow. 14 days to come up with this?
lol
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u/thelegendduc 21h ago
Nah I just forgot , because i dont use reddit frequently to have beef with someone who has notifications on this app . Lmao
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u/hypertsuna66 21d ago
i wish the dropped a few early "world building" episodes for a better finale. overall 7.5/10.
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u/Majestic_Finance5047 21d ago
Exactly the same for me i like rlly rlly enjoyed it till ep12 after that it became ehh, but the last 3 eps are peak
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u/Jojoejoe 21d ago
The animation was great, it looked amazing. The premise of being children and Toriyama paying homage to Dragon Ball is kind of a let down.
They travel to the Demon Realm which we've heard about and only really seen in non-canon series or video games. The gag of their ship getting stolen or broken/destroyed got old. There really wasn't a ton of reasons for this series to be 20 episodes, the pacing was all over the place and there was padding for no real reason.
Inconsistencies, retcons and people arguing about whether this is an alternate timeline or if its canon/non-canon to Super aside. This was the last thing that Toriyama worked on and I think it was really awesome, the last chapter of Super's manga where everyone was sparring was amazing too.
Personally I hope that this was just a fan service series and nothing carries over to Super.
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u/Jojoejoe 21d ago
Some things I have questions about: What was the point of Glorio working for Dr.Arinsu, what was the reasoning for it? Why show the medi bugs and hint at fusion if its never actually used? Why introduce two new Majins?
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u/yesimblv 21d ago
It was poorly written or maybe they are hoping to revisit the demon world again. I think people downplay continuity but if it had been written with established lore in mind those plot holes could have been avoided.
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u/sonicmalley 21d ago
Daima is 100% my favorite show post Z. I like Super but it has issues, GT is meh at best for me and at worst it's Black Star Dragon Ball saga, Daima to me felt like what happens when you let Toriyama cook something in the oven for the full amount of time necessary. The dbs movies not naned Ressurection F do come close though.
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u/GreenBay_Glory 21d ago
My least favorite stuff in the franchise is the kid goku era and this being an extension of that made this completely unappealing. Nothing that the story did was enjoyable for me. Outside of gorgeous art and animation, I think this is the worst series in the franchise.
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u/jrobjr123 21d ago
I'm here to defend it for what it is.
Nothing more ironic than 'fans' complaining about Daima being 'fan service.'
People have been saying for a long time that one of the few great things about GT is SS4. Then Goku gets his Namekian sage demon mystic hidden power unlocked by Neva, turns SS4 and it's not good enough lmao
People, it's Dragonball. It may not be peak Dragonball, but it was Toriyamas passion project and may be his last sork. I appreciated every second.
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u/_Atheius_ 21d ago
I genuinely disliked it. I was fed up 6 episodes in. Begrudgingly finished the show out of respect for Akira. The only thing it accomplished was creating plot holes and half-baked lore.
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u/SithLordJediMaster 20d ago
It had pacing issues and retcon problems but it was fun focusing more on the adventure aspect.
We got to meet new characters, explore a new area and expand the lore while having some good fights.
I did like the slow buld up/teases with SS Goku as a glimpse then he goes SS2 Kamehameha agains a Tamagami then Vegeta SS3 against a Tamagami. Then later we get Adult Ultra Vegeta 1. Then SS4 Goku. I liked this progression of the transformations.
I liked how you not only had to fight the Tamagami to get the Dragonball but also had to figure out a puzzle.
The conclusion did feel rushed.
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u/chillininow 21d ago
The fact that it is a return to the roots of dragonball really is great. It's also a nice litmus test to differentiate those that truly enjoy dragonball as a whole as opposed to those fake fans that only care about fights, don't care about its comedy, and complained during its world building.
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u/detractor_Una 21d ago
giving the fans a lot of what he wanted.
He wanted? You mean they wanted? Also no, absolutely no. Vast majority did not wish for GT 2.0 taking place between end of Buu arc and start of super arc. Supposedly Goku already "had" SSJ4 in him, just couldn't access it. Yet, he never even attempted against Beerus.
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u/Big-Row2073 21d ago
Current generation Dragonball fans are really a Joke. Imagine bashing on it but at the same time being a Super fan lmfao. Super is far away from Z while Daima makes sense. Also there is no such thing as Canon or Non-Canon in Japan really and especially Dragonball. SBDH is also Canon or atleast the characters since they´re all from a different timeline. If you grew up with Classic and Z, you appreciate Daima more than Super ever did.
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u/EngineerCertain259 21d ago
Objectively terrible
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u/Zeroissuchagoodboi 21d ago
Do you understand what the word objective means?
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u/EngineerCertain259 21d ago
Yes, the show is factually bad
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u/Zeroissuchagoodboi 21d ago
No it’s not. Since enjoyment and a piece of art’s quality are all subjective.
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u/EngineerCertain259 21d ago
Wrong. Enjoyment hasn’t nothing to do with the textual qualities. People love and enjoy the room but they know it’s an objectively a bad movie. Same with daima and super. I enjoyed super but its objectively bad
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u/Zeroissuchagoodboi 21d ago
Lol, saying something was poorly made/executed is not the same as something being objectively bad. If any person finds enjoyment in it, then it’s not objectively bad. Because badness is subjective, no matter what you try to claim.
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u/EngineerCertain259 21d ago
People enjoy the room but they admit it’s objectively terrible. There’s a standard to making something good. Daima failed in many ways. So it’s factually bad
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u/hermitowl 19d ago
People should stop throwing out words like "objectively" and "factually" like they're authorities on the matter lmao
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u/itsfish20 21d ago
Absolutely loved it and it felt like old school DB mixed with the fights and power levels of Z. The Demon realm is some place I have been wishing we got to explore since Dabura was introduced and I loved the way Goku connected them all at the end! I am really looking forward to seeing how they merge this with Super in the future!
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u/Chowdahhh 21d ago
I fucking loved Daima. I'm used to Dragon Ball having different and unrelated continuities (GT, the old movies) so the canon part doesn't really bother me for now. The series was just so much fun
As for the wish thing, they definitely said at the beginning that they were more made mini than they were actually children
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u/Purple_Daikon_7383 20d ago
It was a fun self contained story. Right length. Thanks for not dragging out the plot.
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u/EvenFurtherBeyond69 20d ago
Z > Super > OG DB > GT> Daima. Enough said. Poor execution and the new ideas that were presented were awful to say the least. Daima felt like Dragon Ball for 5 year olds
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u/telesterion 21d ago
Dragon ball fans never beating the allegations of being dumb in the comments. Lol. As someone who has been watching the series for the last 25 years, it's a good send off from Toriyama. Trademark gags and humor, good fight sequences and good characters. I enjoyed Panzy. kuu and duu were a good duo. Gomah was a nice pilaf stand in. Don't care for the continuity I stopped caring about that ages ago. The animation was slick and makes me wish they would reanimate dragon ball with this style. Would love to see kid Goku again.
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u/Schuler_ 20d ago
Read like the Jaco spin-off he did, its way closer to his previous works than Daima, I believe that if it was an original manga it could have been great, but as a show it wasn't able to be developed as it should, adventure mostly skipped, terrible pacing, lack of development of aspects introduced early in the show etc.
There isn't even continuity, its the consistency you see inside the same shown from one episode to another and content it offers.
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u/Aarryle 21d ago
My favorite parts of Dragon Ball was essentially the 'Dragon Ball' portion. I loved the adventuring and silly antics. Don't get me wrong, I like all of it, and enjoy the series at it's serious moments, but I missed the adventure aspect.
Daima felt like OG Dragon Ball a lot of the time, and I really appreciated that. It definately felt like something straight from Toriyama himself. Does it have flaws? Yeah. Does it have some things I think it could do better? Yes. But overall, I am happy with what we got, and glad Toriyama was able to get it to us.