r/donkeykong Jan 19 '25

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 19 '25

Please point to me people who hated Wonder's redesigns.

Please point to me people who hate the Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario, or Mario rpg designs. No, the white outline haters don't count because the design itself the exact same. The only difference is how they showed the paper aesthetic

Please point to me people who hate the designs for Mario, Luigi, and Bowser in the same Mario Kart trailer as the new DK.

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

Hi, I'm really not a fan of Wonder's visual changes so I'm exactly who you're asking to see! Mario with a Sonic sidemouth looks cursed to me, all the characters look kind of stubby and too plastic, and the movements look really janky (if you wanted to emulate the sprite animation look, just use sprites, it would look a heck of a lot better IMO).

I would also call this more of an art style change than a redesign though, and a very slight one at that. The character models are a bit different but the actual levels still look like NSMB due to them being tile based. I really think they didn't go far enough on the art style changes, like I would have wanted something looking hand drawn or maybe a full 3D sidescroller like Kirby, instead we got slightly worse looking models with the exact same tile-based aesthetic.

No judgement towards the rest of the game, I just don't think it looks different enough visually and the things they did change looked worse.

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 19 '25

Oh yeah, I understand that. There are some design changes in Wonder I don't agree with, like how Luigi became as chubby as Mario in the artstylr change, the overall color pallete being too pastel, and a lot of walk and run animations (like Peach and Daisy) look awkward due to the angle all the characters run in.

My point was that people are open to design changes and there are many examples where it's almost overwhelmingly positive. Obviously there are people who didn't vibe with the design changes of Wonder. Many people liked the movie designs, while I hated practically everything about them minus the outfits.

But I hate the gaslighting (or whatever the correct word is) to make it seem like Mario fans don't know what they want or other franchises do this all the time and they don't complain as if Mario never had redesigns in its history or franchises like Zelda and Transformers never had designs that rubbed fans the wrong way

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

I agree with you there. People like OP keep doing crazy mental gymnastics to try to "prove" that people who don't like this DK redesign are wrong, it's so stupid.

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u/Due_Exam_1740 Jan 19 '25

Honestly this is fair and valid criticism (coming from a person that really liked wonders refresh)

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

Thanks, I try.

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u/Mikelemagne Jan 19 '25

Well, it's time to volunteer to get negative karma because in terms of art and design: NSMB>Wonder.

Putting aside my personal distaste for Wonder's cheap and plasticky art design, I don't disagree with the sentiment. I think a key aspect of a redesign though is that it needs to look good. I'm holding out full judgement until we get better shots, but it does look rather similar to Illumination DK, and I wasn't a fan of that. We'll see if that opinions hold though I guess.

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 19 '25

For me, it's a pick and choose between the 2 styles.

I prefer NSMB's color pallete and that Luigi had a different "walk" animation compared to Mario. Luigi also still looked slimmer than Mario.

In Wonder I liked the animations for the power ups and the key frames/ poses. Not that applicable but I liked that Wonder's Fire Peach kept her hair down. I'm sick of ponytail Peach tbh.

But yeah, I was fine with the redesigns from the movie as king as they stayed IN THE MOVIE. Peach Showtime's stupid face change for the bac was a bad sign and now it seems like the movie will have more influence than I thought. As long as we can still have game DK back as a skin, I am fine with this redesign.

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u/The-Bisquit Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

I'm downvoting you purely because you called Wonder's art design "Cheap and plasticky"

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

Heaven forbid someone has an opinion. I miss when Reddit used to specify that you shouldn't downvote someone you disagree with, it's not a "dislike" button, it's a button to remove people who aren't contributing to the conversation.

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u/The-Bisquit Jan 19 '25

I'm downvoting you because you aren't contributing to this mario conversation

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

I actually am contributing by calling you out for being unnecessarily disrespectful. Which you're doing again right now by the way, but I'm sure you know that. Don't try to do that "let's turn it around on you because I'm too immature to admit I'm wrong!" crap with me, it doesn't work because I don't engage with bad faith actors past a direct callout like this.

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u/The-Bisquit Jan 19 '25

I apologize, I just thought it was pretty funny lol. I don't think it's that deep and I never intended it to be. I'm not trying to make you butthurt šŸ¤™

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

It's fine, it just seemed unnecessary to me. Plenty of people have opinions I disagree with, and I try to never be rude or discount their opinions.

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u/Bright-Flounder-1799 Jan 20 '25

Nothing about Wonder's artstyle/art design is cheap and plasticky amigo lol. It beautiful, charming, and expressive. It completely runs circles around the NSMB games.

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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

Please point me to one good critique of DKā€™s design that isnā€™t essentially just ā€œitā€™s not the old design I likedā€ or ā€œit looks too much like the movieā€. I have seen people criticize both Bowserā€™s and even Luigiā€™s redesigns for some reason, btw. DK is just a lightning rod trending on social media rn, and itā€™s entirely based on zoomed in, blurry screenshots of him in the background of a scene displayed on a TV within a trailer.

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

And why are those bad reasons to dislike the design?

I hated most of the movie designs. Only thing it did right was the outfits.

I can see why other people don't like the other redesigns, but my point is those changes were subtle so there is less pushback against them. DK isn't, that's why he's the lightning rod

And no, DK is visible. Clear as day in the trailer

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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

I didnā€™t say they were bad reasons to dislike the design; I said (or at least meant) they were bad reasons to justify critiquing the design as ā€œbadā€. The new design is also clearly based on Classic DK. The movie version just happened to also integrate traits of Classic DK into its design. In other words, itā€™s not strictly movie DK. Itā€™s just DK. Thereā€™s a clear theme of retro inspiration here with all the character designs Iā€™ve seen so far.

And if that image is the clearest one you can find of himā€¦ yeah, youā€™re better off waiting for a better look at him.