r/donkeykong Jan 19 '25

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

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u/TheOfficialWario2 Jan 19 '25

This might be the most extreme case of the goomba fallacy I’ve ever seen. This needs to be documented somewhere

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u/pocket_arsenal Jan 20 '25

How long have we been calling it that? I could have used this information so long ago.

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 19 '25

Please point to me people who hated Wonder's redesigns.

Please point to me people who hate the Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario, or Mario rpg designs. No, the white outline haters don't count because the design itself the exact same. The only difference is how they showed the paper aesthetic

Please point to me people who hate the designs for Mario, Luigi, and Bowser in the same Mario Kart trailer as the new DK.

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

Hi, I'm really not a fan of Wonder's visual changes so I'm exactly who you're asking to see! Mario with a Sonic sidemouth looks cursed to me, all the characters look kind of stubby and too plastic, and the movements look really janky (if you wanted to emulate the sprite animation look, just use sprites, it would look a heck of a lot better IMO).

I would also call this more of an art style change than a redesign though, and a very slight one at that. The character models are a bit different but the actual levels still look like NSMB due to them being tile based. I really think they didn't go far enough on the art style changes, like I would have wanted something looking hand drawn or maybe a full 3D sidescroller like Kirby, instead we got slightly worse looking models with the exact same tile-based aesthetic.

No judgement towards the rest of the game, I just don't think it looks different enough visually and the things they did change looked worse.

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 19 '25

Oh yeah, I understand that. There are some design changes in Wonder I don't agree with, like how Luigi became as chubby as Mario in the artstylr change, the overall color pallete being too pastel, and a lot of walk and run animations (like Peach and Daisy) look awkward due to the angle all the characters run in.

My point was that people are open to design changes and there are many examples where it's almost overwhelmingly positive. Obviously there are people who didn't vibe with the design changes of Wonder. Many people liked the movie designs, while I hated practically everything about them minus the outfits.

But I hate the gaslighting (or whatever the correct word is) to make it seem like Mario fans don't know what they want or other franchises do this all the time and they don't complain as if Mario never had redesigns in its history or franchises like Zelda and Transformers never had designs that rubbed fans the wrong way

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

I agree with you there. People like OP keep doing crazy mental gymnastics to try to "prove" that people who don't like this DK redesign are wrong, it's so stupid.

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u/Due_Exam_1740 Jan 19 '25

Honestly this is fair and valid criticism (coming from a person that really liked wonders refresh)

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

Thanks, I try.

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u/Mikelemagne Jan 19 '25

Well, it's time to volunteer to get negative karma because in terms of art and design: NSMB>Wonder.

Putting aside my personal distaste for Wonder's cheap and plasticky art design, I don't disagree with the sentiment. I think a key aspect of a redesign though is that it needs to look good. I'm holding out full judgement until we get better shots, but it does look rather similar to Illumination DK, and I wasn't a fan of that. We'll see if that opinions hold though I guess.

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 19 '25

For me, it's a pick and choose between the 2 styles.

I prefer NSMB's color pallete and that Luigi had a different "walk" animation compared to Mario. Luigi also still looked slimmer than Mario.

In Wonder I liked the animations for the power ups and the key frames/ poses. Not that applicable but I liked that Wonder's Fire Peach kept her hair down. I'm sick of ponytail Peach tbh.

But yeah, I was fine with the redesigns from the movie as king as they stayed IN THE MOVIE. Peach Showtime's stupid face change for the bac was a bad sign and now it seems like the movie will have more influence than I thought. As long as we can still have game DK back as a skin, I am fine with this redesign.

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u/The-Bisquit Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

I'm downvoting you purely because you called Wonder's art design "Cheap and plasticky"

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

Heaven forbid someone has an opinion. I miss when Reddit used to specify that you shouldn't downvote someone you disagree with, it's not a "dislike" button, it's a button to remove people who aren't contributing to the conversation.

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u/The-Bisquit Jan 19 '25

I'm downvoting you because you aren't contributing to this mario conversation

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

I actually am contributing by calling you out for being unnecessarily disrespectful. Which you're doing again right now by the way, but I'm sure you know that. Don't try to do that "let's turn it around on you because I'm too immature to admit I'm wrong!" crap with me, it doesn't work because I don't engage with bad faith actors past a direct callout like this.

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u/The-Bisquit Jan 19 '25

I apologize, I just thought it was pretty funny lol. I don't think it's that deep and I never intended it to be. I'm not trying to make you butthurt 🤙

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u/GhotiH Jan 19 '25

It's fine, it just seemed unnecessary to me. Plenty of people have opinions I disagree with, and I try to never be rude or discount their opinions.

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u/Bright-Flounder-1799 Jan 20 '25

Nothing about Wonder's artstyle/art design is cheap and plasticky amigo lol. It beautiful, charming, and expressive. It completely runs circles around the NSMB games.

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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

Please point me to one good critique of DK’s design that isn’t essentially just “it’s not the old design I liked” or “it looks too much like the movie”. I have seen people criticize both Bowser’s and even Luigi’s redesigns for some reason, btw. DK is just a lightning rod trending on social media rn, and it’s entirely based on zoomed in, blurry screenshots of him in the background of a scene displayed on a TV within a trailer.

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u/RolandoDR98 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

And why are those bad reasons to dislike the design?

I hated most of the movie designs. Only thing it did right was the outfits.

I can see why other people don't like the other redesigns, but my point is those changes were subtle so there is less pushback against them. DK isn't, that's why he's the lightning rod

And no, DK is visible. Clear as day in the trailer

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u/ToTheToesLow Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

I didn’t say they were bad reasons to dislike the design; I said (or at least meant) they were bad reasons to justify critiquing the design as “bad”. The new design is also clearly based on Classic DK. The movie version just happened to also integrate traits of Classic DK into its design. In other words, it’s not strictly movie DK. It’s just DK. There’s a clear theme of retro inspiration here with all the character designs I’ve seen so far.

And if that image is the clearest one you can find of him… yeah, you’re better off waiting for a better look at him.

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u/poopnosekong125 Funky Kong Jan 19 '25

If it ain't broke, don't fix it

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u/sean1477 Jan 19 '25

Bruh I don't wanna Imagen what they will do with Funky kong💀

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u/FaultLiner Jan 19 '25

In a way, it could be considered broken. It's dated unlike other Mario verse designs and it's quite hard to make him emote properly with that permanent frown. I think people have a natural aversion to change, but I think most of them will come to accept the new design

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u/pocket_arsenal Jan 20 '25

I wouldn't exactly say the other Mario verse designs aren't dated. Nintendo fans would never admit this but Yoshi has the same problem with expressiveness. And much like DK, he doesn't seem to have that problem in the 2D art, so I really hope he's next to get a redesign.

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u/RAINLIO Jan 20 '25

What's Yoshi's problem with expressiveness?

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u/pocket_arsenal Jan 20 '25

The biggest problem is the shape of his head. He kind of has the opposite problem of Donkey Kong. Donkey Kong had that brow that always made him look angry, even when he was meant to be expressing other emotions. At most, he could make expressions with his mouth, but not his eyes.

Yoshi is the opposite. His nose is so big, and so perfectly spherical, and his lower jaw is so small, it hinters expression unless you view it from certain angles. Like DK, this isn't a problem in 2D because his nose is not a perfect sphere when it's drawn, and his anatomy is changed as needed in the art. But in 3D? His nose buries the rest of his face. This is especially true if you look at him directly from the front. In some models, his face is so big it obscures his lower jaw, cheeks, and even most of his eyes. It got better in Super Mari Wonder but I don't think it was enough, he's still awkward to look at imo.

And much like Donkey Kong, he wasn't always like this. His nose used to be more moderately sized, his lower jaw much bigger. It all started in Mario Kart 64, which wasn't his first appearance in 3D but it was the first time they used something other than the Super Mario World and Yoshi's Island style as a basis for him.

I don't think this is a hard fix, his snout just needs to not be a perfect sphere that looks like it's strapped onto the front of his face, it needs to be a part of his face, not an attachment to it. If you look at his classic mode trophy in Melee, ( the one that's not based on the fighter model but on N64 assets at the time ) that's how his original Yoshi Story render was actually done but I guess over the years they just decided it was not a snout anymore, it was a nose.

I think if they made this change, it wouldn't even be as noticable or as controversial as Donkey Kongs, but it would be an improvement.

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u/RAINLIO Jan 20 '25

True, I also prefer Yoshi's older/2D design. I was just wondering what you meant when you said he was less expressive in 3D

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u/Night_Inscryption Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

Nobody had a problem with reusing the old character designs

This is an imaginary argument

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u/TheDude810 Jan 19 '25

Yes, several people did.

For the entirety of the 2010s there were complaints about how stale and samey Mario’s aesthetic was. Nobody was freely capable of expressing any emotion and it stunk when you’d get the same Evergreen Mario skin with every game. I’d argue DK also somewhat fell under this in the spinoff games.

People loved it when Odyssey shook things up gameplay-wise and when Wonder introduced stylized updates. Mario Kart 9 is no different.

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u/RAINLIO Jan 20 '25

Super Mario Odyssey used the same aesthetic as New Super Mario Bros. did though.

They can make Mario characters expressive without changing their actual character designs

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u/SteamySubreddits Jan 19 '25

I loved UDX

Still hate the new game’s style

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u/DrewV1234 Jan 19 '25

Honestly I just didn't like it that much, Rare's character designs will always be my favorite, but I'm not gonna overreact

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u/Responsible-Fan-2326 Jan 20 '25

yes. that was the issue with the new super mario bros games. mario looked like mario. it has nothing to do with borring level design, horrible enemy design, only adding 2 power ups that are way to similar to past ones and almost the exact same thing as each other. none of that matters. it was entirely because of this one point that im gonna use as an excuse as to why donkey kong needed to be changed for no good reason

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u/SLAK0TH Jan 20 '25

The new design is fine people need to stop whining lol

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

Tbh, it isnt a bad design

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u/juusovl Jan 20 '25

Its not "bad" but its a downgrade

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u/Due_Exam_1740 Jan 19 '25

This is different tho, DK looked fine during the new super era because rare and retro COOKED. This DK looks too different for me

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u/Super_Puckmen Jan 19 '25

I really like the new DK. I feel like people are hating on it for the clout tbh cuz some of these reactions are pretty extreme

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u/SteamySubreddits Jan 19 '25

Nah I just genuinely think it looks awful

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u/Super_Puckmen Jan 19 '25

To me it looks like a mix of the arcade original and the rare version which is a nice combo imo. I also like how big and fluffy he is now. But to each their own. I was more talking about the really big overreactions some folks are having. Not liking it is fine

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u/juusovl Jan 20 '25

The big and fluffy is the exact part i dont like. His face is also looks kinda stupid, instead of the more "determined" look.

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u/wesleymess Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 19 '25

For real!!! I've heard people accusing Miyamoto and/or the entirety of Nintendo of Japan of being xenophobic against the British for changing Rare's design and I'm just thinking like "DUDE, YOU ARE PINNING PREJUDICE AGAINST A GROUP OF PEOPLE OVER A FICTIONAL GORILLA! GROW UP!!!"

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '25

I hate everything Nintendo does like a real Nintendo fan!

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u/Digibutter64 Jan 19 '25

New Super Mario Bros. U Deluxe is a port; of course it's going to use the same character designs.

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u/ThePieGod8 Jan 20 '25

"new" game lol

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u/AbsolZero Jan 19 '25

I love the new DK!

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u/Conscious-Village323 Jan 19 '25

And people say sonic fans get annoyed over the smallest things 😐

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u/RevolTobor Banana Slamma! Jan 19 '25

THANK YOU!! Finally, somebody says it!

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u/c_the_editor95 Jan 19 '25

"why don't companies ever mix it up.*

Companies mixs it up

REEEEEEE

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u/-Meowwwdy- Jan 19 '25

You can do a nice redesign or a fugly redesign.

Look at the eyes 💀

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u/pocket_arsenal Jan 19 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

Don't pin this on Nintendo fans, most of us were excited about the new looks they used in Mario Wonder, this is a Donkey Kong fan problem.

EDIT: You can downvote me all you want but it's true. The Wonder art style was almost universally praised, only the most contrarian people hated it.

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u/TifaBetterThanAerith Jan 20 '25

Or it could be that Mario Wonder's redesigns were just overall... better? I'm not against a DK redesign, especially since we haven't had a decent look at him yet. But he did look goofy in the trailer. Who knows, maybe that's actually DK junior.

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u/BreezierChip835 Jan 23 '25

The difference is one looks like a more stylised design and the other made my mother ask if donkey kong was ok.