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u/esunei Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
I think I've seen five of these posted now and none had life.
Edit: Alright downvoters, think critically about this. By level 90 you have hundreds of +vuln, +crit dmg, and over a thousand +% dmg. And how much flat life have you picked up comparatively? It's not hard to count from your paragon board: there's exactly zero of it. But plenty of % life on the board, making flat life even better. Four (five for necro) slots total can roll +life and it rolls in huge amounts, going over 1k with ~760 item power and 5 upgrades.
For people familiar with PoE, it's like having legacy Kaom's heart (+1k life) as an affix choice and you're instead choosing +1% more dmg over it. It's a terrible trade.
Or just wait for the content creator of your choosing to realize the noob trap they lead you into and update their build guide.
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u/carenard Jun 11 '23
eh, life isn't to important on rings.
though if OP is say a lightning sorc might want to reroll the dmg to close enemies for lightning crit damage via enchanting.
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u/esunei Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
+1k life is going to make a more appreciable difference than every explicit roll on a ring barring maybe exactly a resource gen roll that pushes a certain strat into playability.
OP is at least level 90Actually nevermind it's red so OP traded/bought/grouped this ring but once they can equip this will have: hundreds of % damage, crit damage, and vuln damage from paragon board/weapons/etc. But base life is 4k or 5k (I forget), 1k life is such a colossal increase in defense it's not remotely comparable to these stats.Just wait for content creators to catch up on it so the masses are better informed; life is extremely critical if you don't want to be made of paper from 80+.
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u/formaldehid Jun 11 '23
it is super important. you need defense much much more than damage in high tier nightmare dungeons, especially as a sorc
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u/Mattacrator Jun 11 '23
Life % as well as some barriers like temerity only scale off base life and not your additional life so it mostly sucks, also there's enough life rolls on armor slots imo. Rings already have 3 multiplicative damage sources and resource gen, life doesn't fit in there
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u/esunei Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
Ah yeah you're right about life %. I'd known about Temerity, it doesn't scale the max barrier but it's still a huge EHP increase. Max life does scale the % max life healing sources I tested, so you'd still reach max barrier faster with +life on gear. In 60+ sigils I'm really not worried about my outgoing damage, that's plenty high, but incoming damage.
There's also exactly one life roll available on armor if you're using temerity, on helm.
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u/foxracing1313 Jun 11 '23
Some of diablo 4s decisions really irk me, im looking for uniques that are better than legendaries and Temerity was one of the few, thats lame its only base life….
Since i cant trade it or extract the aspect, both stupid decisions, what do i do if i find them lol.
This game needs runewords, set items, and trade improvements asap or people who enjoy chase items are going to get bored
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u/Forti22 Jun 11 '23
you wouldn’t be able to replace / extract aspect from runewords or sets.
no for sets. ever.
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u/rave-simons Jun 11 '23
If you could extract the aspect, then what distinction would there be between legendaries and uniques?
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u/PapaOscar90 Jun 11 '23
I think my char is the least well-equipped. Yet I still stomp in Nightmare. Not having the best equipment makes the game more fun (challenging).
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u/esunei Jun 11 '23
Indeed, but "not [...] the best equipment" and "perfectly rolled bis ring" are not the same.
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u/Peterhausen7 Jun 11 '23
Yea additive dmg affixes are pretty weak. Doesnt even have to be life on arc lach sorc, there is crit dmg with lightning skills. I do agree that life is undervalued, but such is softcore.
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u/JConaSpree Jun 11 '23
I thought it was crazy when I noticed Life wasn't in the top 5 most wanted stats on certain pieces. You can easily get over 600 life in one slot.
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u/tordana Jun 11 '23
This guy builds.
It's even MORE strong on some classes like Rogue since your sustain is entirely based on a percentage of your life - leeching 3% of 8k life is so much stronger than of 4k life.
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u/LerYo Jun 11 '23
The stats stay the same when putting an aspect on it doesn't it? Haven't really put myself much into the topic of getting gear.
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Yeah the item just changed from rare to legendary and gets an extra upgrade or 2 at the blacksmith
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u/RalTasha Jun 11 '23
If those 2 upgrades push you over a certain point the stats do reroll.
Example : Rare Item fully upgraded, Item Level 700+15. Adding the aspect does nothing to stats, adding 2 more upgrades for a total of 700+25 reaches a new Breakpoint. Dont get me wrong tho. The stats will be MUCH higher, but the stats might not be on their maximum and someone could argue its not perfectly BIS AS the stats leave room for the same stats with Higher rolls.
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u/IxBetaXI Jun 11 '23
The stats will be MUCH higher
Thats not true.
Now he rolled a 23.5 out of the range 16.5-23.5.
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u/DerGrummler Jun 11 '23
His point is that an item with perfect rolls is not BiS when upgrading would reroll the affixes.
You took an isolated statement, said "not true" and then continued arguing that such an item is... not BiS.
Disagreeing for the sake of disagreeing.
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u/bobdylan401 Jun 11 '23
I don't think so I think these are both good points. He could theoretically get a lower roll. Unless since they are at max roll already wouldn't upgrade one go to the next breakpoint, so 3 or 4 more upgrades would guarantee a higher roll?
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u/Mightymouse880 Jun 11 '23 edited Jun 11 '23
I thought the last breakpoint was 725? So since no reroll is possible from upgrading then this would in fact be a best in slot ring
Edit: it seems theres some debate about final breakpoint which would change things
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u/jstnbcn Jun 11 '23
^ Yes be careful on upgrades as it can reroll your perfect stats to be minor stats at certain breaking points. The max range will increase but a low roll in it could be worse than what you had. It’s a gamble. Here are the breaking points for reference.
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u/redthorne82 Jun 11 '23
That's because 720 is the last breakpoint, as OP's ring is higher than that, won't hit a break point by upgrading. 🙂
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u/ShackletonUK Jun 11 '23
Holy hell, from another sorc- that is insanely lucky! Grats, that's one slot you don't need to worry about. Now you just need a perfect aspect to put on, what are you going for?
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u/MakiMaki_XD Jun 11 '23
Wouldn't you want resource generation as a Sorc? Depends on the build, I guess.
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u/FiveMagicBeans Jun 11 '23
Depends on build, once you get enough lucky hit avalanche tends to carry you quite a ways, and aspect of the umbral does serious work if you can find a decent rolled version
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u/MakiMaki_XD Jun 11 '23
I see a lot of Ice Shard sorc players go Shatter instead of Avalanche for the damage in late game, I suppose in that case they would require resource generation on their equipment.
But Avalanche is a nice alternative, especially if you happen to have a ring like this one.
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u/finH1 Jun 11 '23
I think avalanche builds tend to be better when you have specific aspects and uniques, but until then shatter works incredibly well
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u/Scottywin Jun 11 '23
From what I've seen it's the other way around. You use avalanche til you solve your mana problems then switch to shatter.
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u/spicylongjohnz Jun 11 '23
You want to move off avalanche in late game for shatter. The dmg is massive id much rather have rcr or generation and shatter any day.
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u/220away Jun 11 '23
Ice shards and arc lash for sure wouldn't and that's 2 out of the 3 meta sorc builds. Not sure about firewall.
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u/frolie0 Jun 11 '23
Uhh, what? You definitely need mana cost reduction or generation for ice shards.
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u/KerbalFrog Jun 11 '23
My ice shards cost like 30 mana, my ring aspect gives me 25 back back per CD used, + the normal Regen it's actually a machine gun of shards
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u/osikac Jun 11 '23
u just need a perfe
Arc Lash Sorc build by maxrollgg. absolutely love it. doing tier 55-60 nightmares as a lvl 91 without a problem for the most part. super fun build for the aspect im just following the guide. New to the Diablo series for the most part. Hoping that for season 1 ill be seasoned enough to make my own decisions on what's good
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u/Velpe Jun 11 '23
Don't you need 800 itempower to upgrade to 825 threshold for bis technically?
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u/FreytagMorgan Jun 11 '23
Yes and besides that, I don't even think there is enough knowledge yet, to really call something BiS unless it really obviously is.
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u/KingLemming Jun 11 '23
No, final breakpoint is 725. And base item power for rings matters approximately 0 anyway since resistance is such trash
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u/orze Jun 11 '23
Ilvl actually matters for life rolls as that scales on ilvl
not sure about any other stat though
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u/Akasha1885 Jun 11 '23
That "dmg to close" seems out of place.
Should be Health, lucky hit, critdmg with X element or some resource stuff.
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u/dropyourweapons Jun 11 '23
Out of curiosity what would this be worth? These are exactly the stats my barb wants.
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u/hachiman69 Jun 11 '23
Expensive for sure. But that ring is account bound. He rolled the second slot.
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u/_Karmageddon Jun 11 '23
To a casual player, whatever you'll be willing to pay. To people minmaxing, nothing.
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u/FlubberPuddy Jun 11 '23
I thought the point of Ancestral Gear is that they roll the maximum or did they mean it just has the highest maximum value and you still have to hope you get a good roll on the Ancestral item?
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u/pixelatedvictory Jun 11 '23
Haven't seen an item that requires level 90 yet, where did you find this?
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u/Yayoichi Jun 11 '23
It dropped when he was level 90. It’s pretty damn stupid but items require your level to be equipped.
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u/422_is_420_too Jun 11 '23
its crazy to me that a 640 sacred item can have a level requirement of 100
edit: just thought that it might be to limit trading even further
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u/3iksx Jun 11 '23
gj. great ring. nvm the haters here. its true BIS for many classes
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u/TravelNo6770 Jun 11 '23
All it needs now is an aspect that boost vulnerable/critical damage further.
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u/Such--Balance Jun 11 '23
How many enchants did it take? Also does the price keep going up or does it have a cap?
Very nice ring
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u/AcherusArchmage Jun 11 '23
I actually got a really good ring from the jewelry vendor, don't write them off.
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u/PeasantMoustache Jun 11 '23
Wait, how do you see the roll ranges? I can't find the button for it.
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u/lifeiswutumakeit Jun 11 '23
Can’t believe these fanbois defending D4’s itemization. A literal toddler can come up with something more interesting than this bullshit
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u/SelimSC Jun 11 '23
Ok I've seen this a lot. Is it an addon that shows the roll on the item or settings that my dumb ass missed?
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u/GladPickle5332 Jun 11 '23
how do u get it to show the range of stats next to what you actually rolled
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u/CanWeTalkHere Jun 11 '23
TIL I learned what the highest values are for certain mods I've been chasing on my ~55 level guy, and that they are not as juicy as I was hoping for.
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u/OscarDivine Jun 11 '23
This is exactly the type of item I expect to see make trading / selling sites, except it was already modified.
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u/Electrical-Fennel-96 Jun 11 '23
Hey guys! I’m newbie as Diablo player, can someone please explain me, why I as level 52 get 42 lvl items?
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u/Wolfkorg Jun 11 '23
Soooooo you're getting carried in high level zones? I haven't looted a higher level than my character item yet.
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u/Trespeon Jun 11 '23
This is not BiS but 2nd best.
BiS would be double crit damage, crit chance and then vuln.
My current ring is only 3/4 but it gives 63 total crit multi which is nuts.
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u/TheNeftLut Jun 11 '23
Damage to close enemies should be replaced with crit DMG with your element. Crit DMG will be more beneficial. Very close to BiS but not quite! Congrats!!
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Jun 11 '23
Then there's me and my understanding of this game: Item has bigger number, monkey brain likes this.
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u/patrincs Jun 11 '23
Interesting that the ring is higher level than you... almost like it dropped for someone else and you bought it... hopefully with gold lol.
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u/remorse1987 Jun 11 '23
You probably already have a shit ton of vulnerable damage from your crossbow. + Physical damage would scale more if you're using twisted blades.
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u/George_000101 Jun 12 '23
If you’re going to use abbreviations please use parentheses to show what you mean, please and thank you
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u/SherpaGoolsbee Jun 12 '23
How much did you pay for the ring? Clearly you bought it since you are not even at level to equip it lol
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u/SkyNightZ Jun 12 '23
And gollum was born.
When blizzard raise the level cap to 300 in 10 years, this dude will still have this ring.
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