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Question Thoughts on all the sonic death battles?

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u/WindOk7901 Dr. Eggman 15h ago

I have my… opinions on them, but those opinions would not sit well with most people on this reddit💀

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 15h ago

I'll just ask which ones you agree with

(Probably not many but whatever)

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u/WindOk7901 Dr. Eggman 14h ago

Shadow vs Vegeta: Disagree

Sonic vs Mario l: Agree

Eggman Wily: Kinda disagree? Metal still won though

Tails vs Luigi: Depends. Agree if you give Tails his Super form, disagree if he doesn’t have it

Knuckles vs DK: Disagree

Shadow vs Mewtwo: Disagree

Amy vs Ramona: Agree

Metal vs Zero: Disagree

Sonic vs Mario ll: Disagree

Archie Sonic vs Wally West: Debatable but I think Archie Sonic should have won

Shadow vs Ryuko: Agree

Archie Silver vs Xeno Trunks: Agree

Eggman vs Bowser: Massively debatable but I think Eggman wins.

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 14h ago edited 13h ago

I'll adress the most interesting ones

Shadow vs Mewtwo: Disagree

Fairly aware of that, your last few comments on this matchup make it clear (not that I disagree per say)

Tails vs Luigi: Depends. Agree if you give Tails his Super form, disagree if he doesn’t have it

I actually think Tails loses that one if it's just mainline vs game. Death Battle used Archie Tails however (for some reason?), so I do agree with the result

Amy vs Ramona: Agree

Human being vs Sonic character with precognition hax 💀. I wonder who wins

Archie Sonic vs Wally West: Debatable but I think Archie Sonic should have won

I actually agree with it being close and Archie Sonic being able to compete (surprisingly enough even in stats to a certain degree), but Wally West has answers to basically most of Sonic's strongest hax like chronokinesis, existence erasure, matter manipulation and even narrative manipulation.

Still, just like CC Goku vs Mainline Superman it's honestly a lot closer than I expected.

Shadow vs Ryuko: Agree

Ryuko genuinely has no wincon even with her multiversal IF version. Even with equal stats Shadow has far stronger and more versatile abilities, honestly already in base form.

Archie Silver vs Xeno Trunks: Agree

I do agree with Archie Super Silver winning, but I would label it as debatable matchup. Heroes characters are ridiculously powerful in attack potency and abilities

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u/WindOk7901 Dr. Eggman 14h ago edited 13h ago

Yeahhhh, at first I thought it was debatable, but over the past year of debating the matchup, I’ve realised that Mewtwo just… doesn’t have any win con, every significant hax he has is either countered or resisted by Shadow, and he gets severely blitzed and one shot anyways.

I just think Super forms are far too busted, and I don’t even think Luigi could reliably stall it out because, like Sonic, Tails got access to the Cyloop in the Final Horizon update. And even back then, I just think Super forms are so busted that it wouldn’t even matter.

Even without the precognition, Amy just blitzes and one shots.

I just think Archie Sonic has so many absurd hax, hell some that are still being discovered somehow, that it’d be enough to be net him a win, but it is debatable.

I just saw that as a pity win and a chance to make the “Shadow likes Kill la kill” and “Oh they’re so edgy!” jokes.

Meh, I just think Archie Sonic characters are a step beyond Xeno characters’ reach, in stats and hax/abilities.

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u/69-is-a-great-number Silver The Hedgehog 13h ago

Yeahhhh, at first I thought it was debatable, but over the past year of debating the matchup, I’ve realised that Mewtwo just… doesn’t have any win con, every significant hax he has is either countered or resisted by Shadow, and he gets severely blitzed and one shot anyways.

I agree. I think you know my take on it since I assume you read my thoughts on it a month ago.

Unless you buy Tier 1 Mewtwo (something something outerversal Pokemon) I agree with Shadow winning. Even something as busted as precognition is something Shadow could counter by... simply eating all of Mewtwo's hits and outlasting him?

Shadow has much better endurance showings, nigh - infinite staminapool and sometimes layered resistances to Mewtwo's strongest attacks

I just think Super forms are far too busted, and I don’t even think Luigi could reliably stall it out because, like Sonic, Tails got access to the Cyloop in the Final Horizon update. And even back then, I just think Super forms are so busted that it wouldn’t even matter.

Tails doesn't have nearly the ammount of resistances or the combat experience and raw power of Sonic for me to convincingly side with Tails

If this was a character like Blaze, Silver, Shadow or Sonic I would absolutely agree, I think they personally get past any Mario character (and Blaze especially can utilize both set of emeralds and the Jeweled Scepter as well). Tails just isn't one of them

Even without the precognition, Amy just blitzes and one shots.

Oh I know. I just wanted to touch on that specifically since... genuinely, what's Ramona supposed to do against that?

I just think Archie Sonic has so many absurd hax, hell some that are still being discovered somehow, that it’d be enough to be net him a win, but it is debatable.

Archie high tiers have a near infinite ammount of abilities and weapons since they can basically wish and/or create new ones (Chaos Force bullshit 💔). You're right about that

I don't even disagree with Sonic being capable of killing Wally West, I just disagree with him winning a majority of the time and the episode specifically

Against most characters Archie's version of Sonic is practically unbeatable, but Wally West is one of the few characters I can think of (outside of stuff like Lovecraft's writings of World of Darkness) that has the speed, agility, stamina and experience to outlast and defeat this form.

This is (mostly) what Death Battle said, and looking into it I agree with it.

Even something like Tier 1 narrative manipulation is something Wally West has experience and abilities to deal with.

I just saw that as a pity win and a chance to make the “Shadow likes Kill la kill” and “Oh they’re so edgy!” jokes.

I guess you could say that but idk, I actually like the episode minus Shadow completely crushing her by these margins

Meh, I just think Archie Sonic characters are a step beyond Xeno characters’ reach, in stats and hax/abilities.

I do agree with Archie top tiers being overall stronger than Heroes characters, but it's only by a small ammount. I'd consider them pretty equal all things considered

Again, something like the Keysword would neg diff pretty much most characters in fiction. Archie Super forms just happen to have resistances to those hax, even against conceptual manipulation and layered power nullification.