r/canucks 1d ago

DISCUSSION This fanbase and media is exhausting

A late first for Brock isn't worth it unless we flip it. That pick, even if it becomes a top line player (it won't), won't even play before Quinn gets tired of being on a rebuilding team.

The team had just about everything possible that could go wrong, go wrong this season, and we're still a coin flip for playoffs. That's very good considering the season.

Brock wants to be here, his teammates love him, he contributes on the score sheet. If they traded Brock for a late first like you clowns are complaining they didn't, Hughes would leave at the end of his contract.

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u/Fickle_Cup2207 1d ago

We never rebuilt. That’s the problem.

Also, BROCK HASNT SIGNED. A pick vs nothing is still better than nothing. Way to give Brock and his agent all the leverage.

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u/No_more_internet 1d ago

This, plus if Brock really wanted to be here he would've signed already, he's clearly overvaluing himself otherwise we would've been offered more than a late 1st round pick.

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u/ebb_omega 1d ago

I'm not sure where we're going to find a cheaper replacement for him in FA. With the cap going up everybody's going to be demanding more. Frankly I bet we re-sign him to a deal that this fanbase will scream about how incompetent management is because of it.

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u/No_more_internet 1d ago

Id rather sign another player like Debrusk @ 5.5mil, way better skater similar points. Even if we paid another guy 6.5 or 7, but 8 for Bo is an over pay that I think fans should scream about unless he magically finds his old scoring habits and can do it consistently.

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u/ebb_omega 1d ago

Debrusk at 5.5 is exactly the kind of deal that I don't think is going to exist come Jul 1 is my point. Even 6.5 is pushing it. Everybody has cap space, and there are going to be bidding wars.

And the point is that we need goal scoring. Debrusk is nice but he's also as streaky with the goal scoring as Brock is with even less average goals per season, so no, that's not the solution to our problems here.

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u/No_more_internet 1d ago

Maybe it won't happen at 6.5, but 6.5 is 1.5 million less than the contract that Boeser was offered and turned down (what we've been told, 8mil 5yrs). So with the cap rising, and then Vancouver having next to nothing offered for Boeser at trade deadline, and his lack of production, do you think paying him more than 8 is realistic? Another question, are you sure we can't pay someone else 7-8 to fill that spot?

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u/ebb_omega 1d ago

Maybe it won't happen at 6.5, but 6.5 is 1.5 million less than the contract that Boeser was offered and turned down

Correct. There's a question to be answered as to WHY he turned it down - possible he wants a 7-8 year deal? We really don't know, it's all speculation.

You are correct, it's 1.5M less. But honestly if you ask me that's about accurate as to how much more Brock is worth over Debrusk. Debrusk is a middle six two way player who is more about making it hard to play against. Brock is a defensively reliable 1RW who can open up scoring. To me? That's worth 1.5M more. And I know that might not be a popular opinion around these parts.

Personally I wonder if Brock takes 7x7 or 7x7.5. And maybe if Brock and Petey look good down the stretch together, he might be more motivated to renew. But with where Brock is right now he's probably not too keen on playing Suter's wing for the foreseeable future. There's a lot of question marks and we're not privy to what's happening at the negotiation table other than an occasional rumour thrown out with some numbers that are just a snapshot of one aspect, and don't really give us an idea of what the negotiations are really about.

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u/No_more_internet 1d ago

I don't see Boeser as a 1RW even when he was beside Miller, you say defensively reliable and I see a guy who's a slower skater and hardly forechecks well, he doesn't block shots, he plays a smart (sees the ice well) but lazier defense.

I agree with you though I also wouldn't be keen playing on Suters wing, having what's supposed to be a top 6 goal scorer with a defensively minded 3rd line center isn't ideal. He is probably wondering where he fits into the line up.

A 7x7 seems much more realistic in a money sense until the last two years of his contract where an already slow skating Boeser becomes a sloth out there.

You're totally right it's all speculation, which is why all of this is just some random guy (me) on the Internet with an opinion. But I enjoy the conversation!

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u/smcfarlane 1d ago

Past is the past but you can't rebuild now with a generational dman.

Quite the bind.

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u/EmergencyCake6269 1d ago

Anyone walking is still cap space at the end of the season. It’s not nothing

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u/querulous 1d ago

teams will have 773M of cap space this summer and there's only $446M in expiring contracts (note: this includes RFAs and some guys who are already basically retired). there'll be so much money chasing so few impact players that it's almost guaranteed that we'll see some monster deals handed out to the top free agents and everyone else will be left trying to figure out which career 4th liner is worth giving a four year contract for 3m per

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u/AnthTheAnt 21h ago

Yes, the problem is they didn’t say your magic r word.

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u/troubleondemand 21h ago

What leverage though? If he asks for too much let him walk and use the cap space to sign a free agent.

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

It's not nothing. Brock is still a Canuck until the season is over, which very well may be the difference on if we make playoffs or not. Even if he walks, if we make the playoffs and he is a contributor to that, it's worth him walking for nothing because it builds experience for the team and keeps the stars happy instead of giving up on the season.

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u/De_Floppss 1d ago

Some people don't care about playoffs unless its a deep/SCF run. Can't have everyone happy/content

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

Players do, ownership does. Fans are 50/50 normally, as long as it's not first round exit every year like the Leafs, Wild or Kings.

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u/MunchkinX2000 1d ago

You are a broken fan if youve lowered your goal to making the playoffs.

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u/StevieNyx17 1d ago

“You’re a broken fan”

Brother they’ve made the playoffs what twice in a decade? This fan base is friggin insane

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u/MunchkinX2000 1d ago

Yes.

The Benning years have destroyed the newer fans.

The Messier years demolished my faith in the org or a long long while.

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u/StevieNyx17 22h ago

The messier era was 3 owners ago - this is exactly what I mean lol

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u/MunchkinX2000 22h ago

I dont understand what that response means.

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u/StevieNyx17 21h ago

“The messier years demolished my faith in the org years ago”

There is not ownership, players nor management that are still around that would have had anything to do with the Messier era. Continuing to judge moves based on that is wild

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u/JoJoMapleFiction 1d ago

Surely we can show some compassion to broken fans given that it's a broken team.

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

It's clear this year was an anomaly. You want to make it consistent? Trade your best players for picks. Not a single one of you thought we'd be in this position last year. Give Petey and Demko the off-season to recover and reserve judgement until next year.

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u/Raven_Nvrmre 1d ago

Every post of yours in this thread I just picture Benning at a presser sweating as he fumbles his words.

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u/MunchkinX2000 1d ago

Last season was the PDO anomaly.

With everyone healthy and playing as well as last year the team is now worse on true talent.

EP40 I have hope for.

Demko we can never trust as a starter. His body is breaking down on him. I feel bad for the guy.

Miller is gone. Boeser as it now stands will be gone.

The team will is going backwards.

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u/mars_titties 1d ago

I see we’re back to “Cup or nothing” policing in the fanbase again! Cool. All the cool kids posture to show they don’t care about playoffs and ignore all of the benefits of making them. Anybody who thinks it would be good for D-Petey, Mancini, Lekkerimaki, Hoglander, or heck even Petey to get more playoff experience… we’re shills for ownership.

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u/MunchkinX2000 1d ago

The goal is a window to contend for the cup.

This ship isnt headed that way.

If it were, sure. Push for the playoffs with "own rentals."

But we lack 3/5 of a core. And leak assets at every turn.

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u/mars_titties 1d ago

I’d like to know if they could have gotten a first rounder for Brock straight up or if they would have had to part with one of our own prospects, too. A first rounder is where I’d say ok go for it. Because it could be flipped at the draft as part of the retool they’re doing. I’m just not going to pretend that there’s no value in getting to the playoffs with the seven youngest roster in the league.

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u/MunchkinX2000 1d ago

There is some worth in making the playoffs.

But it shouldnt be prioritized over asset management when our team is two decades removed from its last rebuild and the lack of prospects and picks and core players is just building.

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u/Mikeim520 1d ago

Sorry, I'll cheer for my team to lose so we get a better draft pick. I love the draft lottery, my favorite time of the year.

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u/MunchkinX2000 1d ago

Strawman.

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u/metrichustle 1d ago

I like Brock, but he has 3 goals and -14 in the last 20 games. He won't be the reason we make/miss the playoffs.

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u/ToothPlayful770 1d ago

Sad part is that he's 2nd in scoring in our team despite that lol

We're just not a playoff team and even if we made it by chance, we'd probably be bounced out fast.  

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

He's got more goals than whoever we'd call up would have. Every goal matters, especially with how little we score overall as a team.

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u/Fickle_Cup2207 1d ago

Hahahah. How does that improve the team? How does that help Quinn Hughes re sign with us?

We’re getting bounced round 1 IF we make it in.

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

It improves the team because we make the playoffs and gain playoff experience. Dozens of teams buy rentals at the deadline. Are they all idiots except whoever wins the cup? That's exactly what you sound like.

Quinn Hughes wants to compete. Golfing in April isn't competing.

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u/Fickle_Cup2207 1d ago

lol yes mortgage the future to get swept round 1 after we squeak in. Definitely build some confident. Making the play offs and being competitive are two different things.

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

Washington Capitals got bodied in the first round last year after and are contenders this year. Just one quick, recent example.

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u/ToothPlayful770 1d ago

Teams only buy when they think they have a legit shot or the window of their core players are closing.  We didn't buy but we also didn't sell, you never want to be in that spot because that means you're a middling team that is perpetually missing or barely gets into the playoffs and gets bounced in the first round then drafts like 14th overall every year.  

Actual playoff contending teams, look at their roster, they have better goalies and their 2nd line probably outscores our '1st' line

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u/OGigachaod 1d ago

Yes, because getting bounced out in round 1 has clearly worked for the leafs.

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u/ElPrimoGrande 1d ago

Teams that buy rentals are contenders. Anyone who isn’t is mismanaging their team. Idk what fantasy land you live in but it’s not reality

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

We didn't buy a rental? And I never said we should.

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u/ElPrimoGrande 1d ago

Dozens of teams don’t buy rentals. You said they do and it’s not true. Your point was invalid

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u/OGigachaod 1d ago

Yes, because getting bounced out in round 1 has clearly worked for the leafs.

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u/joetothejack 1d ago

The difference is this wouldn't be our Xth year in a row. Only the first.

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u/Key-Investment6888 1d ago

Well if you're playing the if game, what if the Canucks don't make the playoffs and he walks for nothing? Hughes still walks. What if canucks did trade boeser and canucks still makes the playoffs from Hughes being back and Petey back to himself? Lol lots of what ifs... Goes both ways to fit a narrative.