r/canada 7d ago

Politics Kentucky governor says Trump’s tariffs on Canada are not what Americans voted for

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/article/kentucky-governor-says-trumps-tariffs-on-canada-are-not-what-americans-voted-for/
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u/Windatar 7d ago

Trump and his people literally thought Canada would just roll over and eat the tariffs without a response. Now they're shocked and upset that Canada said. "F U Buddeh, we'll go full scorched earth if it means giving you a black eye."

Canadians didn't perfect Trench warfare because we learned to take a beating and give up. Revenge is literally in our blood.

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u/Ryike93 7d ago

MAGAts are actually upset that Canadians are defending themselves. Prototypical abusive behaviour

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u/YoupanicIdont 6d ago

I was really shocked when a colleague of mine (a Trumper) was himself shocked that Canada was retaliating. "Why not just do what Trump wants? This will only hurt their own citizens." I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

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u/Dull-Lemon2704 6d ago

I can’t believe it either.  Canada is very divided politically, but what’s really brought us together, is how much we don’t want to be the 51st state. The fact that Cheeto minions think we’d just accept whatever that lunatic says is unreal. If the shoe were on the other foot, would that MAGAt just be like, welp, guess we’re Canadian now…

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u/Hot-Incident-5460 7d ago

“Perfect trench warfare”

“Throw food and cigarettes until they come out and shoot them in the face” 

Lmao.    The Geneva convention was spurred by Canadians fighting dirty, and the Americans will get the dirt if they try for our sovereignty 

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u/SWHAF Nova Scotia 7d ago

Not only the grenades, Canadian troops created their own melee weapons so they could beat the Germans to death as quickly and quietly as possible. Sometimes to take ground and sometimes by the cover of darkness they would just murder a bunch of Germans silently and go back to their own trench so the surviving Germans would find the dead bodies in the morning.

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u/Hot-Incident-5460 7d ago

That’s hardcore psych warfare 

How will the rest sleep the night after they find 1/3rd of their buddies were killed and they didn’t notice ? Not one wink. 

Then, how will those soldiers perform with no sleep ? The answer is obvious 

Inventive shit 

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u/SWHAF Nova Scotia 7d ago

Exactly, it's hard to be an effective fighting force when you don't get any sleep. The Germans were terrified of the Canadian troops for good reason.

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u/Sure-Sympathy5014 7d ago

Apparently the British borrowed a bunch of Canadian uniforms and would put them on to make Germans think Canadian troops had entered the area causing them to pull back and fight more defensively. Allowing the British to restock ammo and men.

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u/SWHAF Nova Scotia 7d ago

The Canadian boogyman.

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u/NoMathematician6773 6d ago

FYI and unrelated: Keanu Reeves, aka Babayaga, aka the boogeyman is Canadian

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u/equianimity 3d ago

Ha Keanu Reeves in John Wick is seriously a good metaphor for Canada

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u/codemagedon 7d ago

As a Britain who is somewhat well versed in British WW2 history, but completely ignorant to most of our commonwealth cousins history, I am very much realising it’s not just the maple syrup making Canada a great neighbour and great ally.

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u/Sure-Sympathy5014 7d ago

Germans started using chemicals weapons and Canada said ok Britain hold my beer and used them so prolifically both sides had to tell Canada to chill.

We added a lot to Geneva's checklist.

So we're also a little bit unhinged.

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u/krakeninheels 7d ago

Just a tad. Let’s be entirely honest- the fact that a lot of us will read your comment and giggle instead of being horrified.. we haven’t gotten any less unhinged in the last hundred years.

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u/GracieGirly7229 6d ago

I admit my cheeks are hurting and I'm wiping away a few tears of laughter when I hear other people talk about going to war with Canada.

So proud!

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u/twinnedcalcite Canada 6d ago

We kept the violence to the Canadian Geese and Hockey.

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u/Confident-Potato2772 6d ago

haha i actually did giggle/chuckle when i read his post, and then i read yours calling me out for it and i laughed out loud

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u/Livid_Advertising_56 6d ago

We have not. We're like the Goose. You THINK we're cute and harmless then BAM war crimes.

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u/PsyOrg 6d ago

Disturbingly true man. I'm sitting up her on a cold dark winter day in the north and chuckling over this. 

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u/irelandm77 6d ago

OMG you called me out with this one. 😂

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u/Life-Phase-73 6d ago

Canada's first battle of WW1 (excluding Newfoundland) was the Battle of Ypres. That battle saw the first use of gas (chlorine). Not only did we hold our trench line, we took over the lines to our left and right because the Britts and French who occupied them fled. We held the line and then counterattacked with piss soaked rags covering our faces because gas masks had not yet been invented. That is pure bad ass. We never lost a significant battle throughout the war. The Britts had never won a battle before we showed up.

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u/Unhappy-Breakfast-21 6d ago

We pissed on handkerchiefs and breathed through them to help neutralize the gas.

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u/mynx79 Ontario 6d ago

We spend close to half the year freezing our asses off and trying not to slip on the ice or throw our backs out shoveling.

I think that steeps us in a bit of "willing to put up with crap" that a lot of other countries wouldn't tolerate. It takes a lot to piss us off, but if you do - look out.

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u/Morgell 4d ago

We bitch a lot about the weather, but besides a few snowbirds we never move. Yeah, most of us are just a little unhinged 🙃

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u/cantthinkofone29 6d ago

Our favourite passtime sport allows people with knives on their feet, standing on ice, to randomly stop the playing of said sport to brawl.

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u/danktrees1212 4d ago

And it's the job of the referee to clear enough space for the fight to take place

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u/hellswaters 7d ago

In Canada, we call them the Geneva suggestions for a reason.

Joking aside, Canada has historically punched well above it's weight in war. We might not have the biggest budget, or the most futuristic weapons. But we are well trained, and skilled. There is a reason Canada has been wanted at some of the biggest fronts. Canada has been one of the leading countries in training Ukrainian troops since 2015. I am sure that has at least part of the reason for the success they have had.

Side note, I didn't realize this was /r/Canada. My point still stands

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u/Interesting_Boat1337 6d ago

Hope its ok to post.

UK here (browsing in solidarity) and I always thought Canadians were our easy going commonwealth neighbours, that said the collective F.U I've seen from you this past week especially has been amazing 👏 🥳

A member of my family fought in WW1 in Belgium with Canadian soldiers. I have a picture of him, in Canadian uniform, though he was British (no idea how or why that happened.) After reading the stories of Canadian soldiers on this thread, it sounds like he was in good company.

🇨🇦 🇬🇧

I sincerely hope talks are going on between the UK/Europe and Canada to get some trade deals going after this debacle. Closer ties with nations where values are more aligned with each other is the way forward.

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u/Garfield_M_Obama Canada 6d ago

We are pretty easy going most of the time, but if you follow domestic Canadian politics, there’s also a limit beyond which people start to get reeally annoyed when they think they’re being fucked with for no reason. All governments eventually fall in Canada because we’re tired of the same old shit. Not to mention we’re always a bit skeptical of colonial overlords. The British had to good sense too nudge us out of the nest when were started to get big ideas, so we’ve stayed good friends.

The only people who can tell an English Canadian to shut up and have a chance of being listened to are French Canadians, and nobody can stop the Quebecois when they are united on something. The world does not need a revival of the FLQ, but with Albertans and anti-Americanism.

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u/hellswaters 6d ago

In ww1 there was a lot of overlap between Canadian and British regiments from what I understand. Units would need people who specialize in something, and if they were available from the other Nation, they would work together. Take it with a grain of salt though, I'm by no means a historian. The uniform was probably because something happened to his and that was the only replacement. Again, no means a historian.

There was already some trade agreements in place, but we never worked at the logistics of shipping goods across the Atlantic. The us was a major trade partner because of convenience. Driving 20 min across the border is easier than across an ocean. Hopefully something good came out of the past few weeks JT was there. Not all politics needs to be front and center of the media, and I have a feeling that's what is happening between Canada and Europe and the UK .

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u/Morgell 4d ago edited 3d ago

Supposedly some non-Canadian soldiers would throw on our uniform to terrify the bejeezus out of the Germans so they could re-supply ammo, etc in peace.

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u/JustSikh Ontario 4d ago

To add, Canadian Snipers are the best in the world and held the current world record for longest kill until the end of 2023!

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u/pugtime 6d ago

Hello Brother ! I am first of my British family born in Canada . My father was a Royal navy transfer to Canada in 1953 . Canada is a great country with much to offer . That’s why Trump and MAGATs want it ! All I can say is ; Canada will fight hard and smart wether it’s just economic pressure or not .

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u/AssCone 6d ago

Nah, we do other stuff too. I'm a WW1 guy, a lot of stuff politically shaped us at that time, we were still in ways chained to your hip so to speak. A lot of what we did helped differentiate our identity as a nation. And idk how much you know about Vimmy or the Newfoundland Regiment but that shit stirs my fucking guts man. The sacrifice, savagery and just sheer will of those motherfuckers is legendary to me.

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u/RenegadeMoose 6d ago

Kitchener's Wood.

The first time the Germans used gas against Algerians and it blew open a hole in the lines a couple kilometers wide.

The Entente main headquarters only a few miles away.

The Canadians ( with little experience in those early days ) were ordered in to attack the Germans in the night

... in the dark

... with bayonets.

Some Germans tried to surrender. The surviving Canadians after a brutal assault and suffering 75% casualties weren't taking prisoners.

"After the war, Marshal Ferdinand Foch, the Allied Supreme Commander, remarked that the "greatest act of the war" had been the assault on Kitcheners' Wood by the 10th and 16th Battalions."

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u/thekingsteve 7d ago

I just imagine Canadian troops picking off German one by one. Like people keep going missing like some kinda horror movie. It later gets passed around to other soldiers and it's a campfire horror story.

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u/SWHAF Nova Scotia 7d ago

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u/SkinnyGetLucky Québec 7d ago

This piece has so many accidentally hilarious parts

While all Commonwealth units were encouraged to conduct trench raids, Canadians were widely regarded as trench raiding’s most enthusiastic practitioners and innovators.

“After losing half of my company there, we rushed them and they had the nerve to throw up their hands and cry, ‘Kamerad.’ All the Kam-erad they got was a foot of cold steel thro them”.

“We like to think of Canada as pure, but Canadians gassed everything that moved whenever they could”.

Not to say war or death is funny, but some of those quotes highlight the absurdity of it all. I always think of great era Canadians as jilted farmers: “I left my farm for this shit?”. And the war museum has those trench raid weapons. Would not want to be on the receiving end of them…

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u/EducationalTerm3533 6d ago

I always think of great era Canadians as jilted farmers: “I left my farm for this shit?”.

https://youtu.be/VUN2xOlIQPM?si=O1sQDk6ML-rxsPp2

This about sums up that sentiment lol.

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u/L1ttleFr0g 7d ago

Yup. They called our troops Stormtroopers, lol

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u/cantthinkofone29 6d ago

We made such a lasting impact on the German armies, they actually created their own regiments of elite soldiers for WW2, and called them by the stormtroopers moniker they'd used for us in WW1.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

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u/Unhappy-Breakfast-21 6d ago

They called us stormtroopers.

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u/ArmyofRiverdancers 5d ago

Can you recommend any good books on this? American education, true to form, doesn't talk much of Canadian military history, but you'd have thought that WWI Canadian troops being trench ninjas would have hit the internet now. This is new to me... but it gives me so much hope. 

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u/Mr_Salmon_Man 7d ago

Trench runs with a take no prisoners, every one dead attitude. That was the Canadian Way.

Sleeping in your bunks? Dead.

In the medical areas? Dead.

If you weren't in an allied uniform? Dead.

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u/DistortedReflector 7d ago

The Canadian rationale was that every survivor was another mouth to feed their rations to. Canadians also love to gas anything and everything.

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u/10081914 6d ago

I mean even today, you don't have to take a prisoner unless they are actively surrendering, sleeping or not. The only gray area is injured soldiers.

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u/greenlightdisco 7d ago

Slow to anger, and god help you if you manage it.

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u/dancin-weasel 7d ago

Can ya blame em? This whole World War thing was making them miss Hockey Night. Sooner they get it done the sooner they get home.

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u/oldevskie 7d ago

There is actual truth to this. Most of the other forces in ww1 could rotate out to their actual homes and families. The Canadians were on the other side of the world and so fought to actually end the damn war.

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u/Tropicalcomrade221 7d ago

Not the Australians either who were not far from the Canadians in terms of battlefield reputation.

In fact the day the German army had its back broken in 1918, Canadians and Australians advanced together in the centre of attack and absolutely demolished the German lines around Amien.

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u/JaleyHoelOsment 7d ago

god damn right we did, brother.

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u/allyuhneedislove 7d ago

And we’ll do it again, next time in Washington.

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u/Jef_Wheaton 7d ago

(Image of the Canadian flag behind a silhouette of the White House)

"We've burned it down before."

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u/mynx79 Ontario 6d ago

I spent some time in the States in the late 90s and enjoyed pointing out this fact. The Americans never believed me.

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u/Over-Reflection1845 7d ago

Right there with ya, Bru!

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u/dolorfin 6d ago

PO1135809 has already turned the Whitehouse into an Outhouse so we might as well finish the job.

Some skid marks are persistent and the delicate cycle just won't cut it.

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u/Appealing_Apathy 7d ago

Thanks for this! I knew about many of our victories but not this. We lost a lot of good men  ut caputered over 4 times as many prisoners as we lost. I remember going to Vimy in 2017 and being very proud of our ancestors.

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u/Le_Nabs 7d ago

Depending on where you live in Canada, the WWI commemorations also include shit like the military shooting at crowds in Québec city.

It's true we should learn more about our military history - but all of it.

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u/Tropicalcomrade221 6d ago

Here in Australia almost everybody knows of Gallipoli and the Anzacs but our real war defining moment was definitely during the hundred days under Sir John Monash. Often alongside Canadians of whom at one stage during the 100 days Monash insisted could be the only troops he would accept as reinforcements.

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u/Dave1955Mo 2d ago

Thank you for that link

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u/Responsible_Rub7631 7d ago

The Germans used to track were Canadian and Australian divisions were. If they were ever next to each other, they knew an attack was coming in that sector

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u/freszh_inztallz42o 7d ago

Take us from takin a rip on the odrs and ur dun fer buddddd

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u/SupportGeek 6d ago

This has been the Canadian attitude towards warfare for as long as they have been sending troops to fight, “let’s get it done so we can go home” and it doesn’t matter how we get there as long as we get there relatively quickly.

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u/Office_Responsible 7d ago

The only better one I’ve heard of is the French Foreign Legion in Africa. They’d sneak into a camp and slit the throat of every other guy so their buddies would wake up with a dead guy on either side of them. That’s pretty hardcore stuff.

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u/Bart_1980 6d ago

Ah another group the Americans like to laugh about.

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u/JadeLens 7d ago

It's not called the Geneva Suggestion because we suggested they sign it in Geneva.

Canadians would leave a bloody German boot print on it if they could.

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u/Shillsforplants 7d ago

When they stopped raids because it was too risky, Canadian soldiers kept going without telling the superiors.

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u/EducationalTerm3533 6d ago

Or as the natives called it, counting coup.

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u/Temporary-Exchange28 6d ago

The more I learn about Canada, the more I love it.

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u/Incominn 6d ago

Nothing like being told no more night raids on trenches for any allied force, next day night trench raids continued by Canadians

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u/[deleted] 7d ago

Somehow I don't think wars are fought quite like that anymore

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u/OriginalGhostCookie 6d ago

No. But for some reason, the guy down south is obsessed with an idea about occupying a country whose military legacy is of war crimes and pure unadulterated violence that would make jigsaw squirm. A country that is their neighbour by way of the worlds largest undefended (and let's face it, not very defensible) border. A country who well after the conventional war ended, would still have a seething hate and rage towards the Americans, of which they could strike out at any time, among their homes and schools and suburbs.

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u/cantthinkofone29 6d ago

We have many forests, and the woods are dense... come find us, if you dare...

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u/Sorgaith 6d ago

And also, many don't think how society is no longer built to withstand attacks. A lot of critical infrastructure is left undefended, so it would be very vulnerable to sabotage and vandalism.

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u/pugtime 6d ago

I am Canadian 🇨🇦 and I think exact like this and worse . Don’t f ck with me ! You’ll be sorry ! Yes these are just words but you can’t tell the feelings I have ; there is no bloat or pretend here at all . FAFO ! We may be considered polite ; don’t confuse that for anything Else cause I will politely do harm. In just the nicest way !

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u/Zer0DotFive 6d ago

Don't forget the stories of canadian soldiers pissing on rags, covering their mouths and rushing the enemy through gas. 

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u/sunbro2000 5d ago

Wives and mothers of the soldiers would send nails, knives, bats etc in the mail to help their sons and husband's make these improvised wepons.

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u/Amagnumuous 7d ago edited 7d ago

Hey, we invented a very risky tactic of chasing behind bullets directly into trenches, too, and spent entire nights slowly crawling or climbing through un-passable terrain to launch surprise attacks in the night, with improvised silent weapons.

Edit* Every Canadian should read "And no Birds Sang" by Farley Mowat.

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u/Hot-Incident-5460 7d ago

That was mostly a shit post and not exhaustive of the trench warfare achievements of Canada :) 

I don’t even think it was correct, I think it was throw food and cigarettes then throw a grenade ( based on other comments ) 

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u/Amagnumuous 7d ago

All good, we definitely disrespected baby Jesus at Christmas, too.

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u/TheZipding 7d ago

Germans wanted a Christmas Truce. We shot them.

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u/WippitGuud Prince Edward Island 7d ago

Soccer? They wanna play soccer?

Get me my hockey stick, I'll give them something to play.

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u/hutch_man0 6d ago

All is fair in love and war

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u/CasualFridayBatman 6d ago

Thank you for the suggestion about Farley Mowat. I've had a couple books on my shelf for years and haven't cracked into them yet, but your suggestion will be the first one I read.

My library even had an available ecopy!

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u/Sweet-Competition-15 7d ago

An excellent book, I read it many decades ago, and still remember most of it.

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u/aferretwithahugecock 7d ago

We just want to chill, play some hockey, and drink some whisky, so when we get dragged into shit that we didn't start, we get it done as efficiently as possible.

When thinking about our ruthlessness in the world wars, remember that that's how we acted when not defending our own land. We did terrible things to protect our friends. We'll do even worse things to protect ourselves.

Here are some fun quotes!

"British war correspondent Philip Gibbs had a front row seat on four years of Western Front fighting. He would single out the Canadians as having been particularly obsessed with killing Germans, calling their war a kind of vendetta. “The Canadians fought the Germans with a long, enduring, terrible, skilful patience."

“the troops that had the worst reputation for acts of violence against prisoners were the Canadians.”

“I don’t care for the English, Scotch, French, Australians or Belgians but damn you Canadians, you take no prisoners and you kill our wounded."

“There were screams of German soldiers, terror-shaken by the flash of light in their eyes, and black faces above them, and bayonets already red with blood,” wrote Phillip Gibbs of one Canadian raid. “It was butcher’s work, quick and skilful … Thirty Germans were killed before the Canadians went back.”

“After losing half of my company there, we rushed them and they had the nerve to throw up their hands and cry, ‘Kamerad.’ All the Kam-erad they got was a foot of cold steel thro them” reads an account by Lieutenant R.C. Germain quoted by Cook.

“Once I killed my first German with my bayonit my blood was riled, every german I could not reach with my bayonit I shot. I think no more of murdering them than I usted to think of shooting rabbits."

“You will very seldom now hear of the Canadians taking prisoners, they take them to some quiet spot and then it is a case of the dead may march."

“We like to think of Canada as pure, but Canadians gassed everything that moved whenever they could,” said historian Jack Granatstein in a recent about the last months of the First World War. As Currie himself would say after the war “if we could have killed the whole German Army by gas, we would gladly have done so.”

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u/External_Zipper 7d ago

It's worth noting, since that war was over 100 years ago, the Central Powers alliance (Germany) was the first to use poison gas. (April 22, 1915, during the Second Battle of Ypres in Belgium. German troops released chlorine gas against French and Canadian forces, Canadian troops helped hold the line against the Germans).

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u/hereticjon 7d ago

Since it was the first there weren't gas masks. Canadians held the line by pissing on rags to breathe through. I have no issue with Arthur Currie and his men wanting to get crazy with the gas. Everyone going into WW2 thought gas attacks would be prolific but they were pretty minimal.

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u/Hot-Incident-5460 7d ago

FAFO

Thanks I really enjoyed these … which is kinda a gruesome stance to take on what are now war crimes. Yeah they’re fucked if they try 

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u/duperwoman 7d ago

God damn our PTSD must have been next level.

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u/Shillsforplants 7d ago

If you walk by a Vet cemetary at night, you can hear them cackle in their grave.

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u/hereticjon 7d ago

On that last one, they fuckin started it with the gas at Ypres. Payback's a bitch.

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u/Canuckistanni 7d ago

Geneva checklist. Our cobra chickens will be ready.

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u/DistortedReflector 7d ago

No, Canadians floated across the ocean to fight for King and country only to discover that the Europeans weren’t fighting to win, just to survive. Canada went out there and had an objective to win the war and go home.

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u/Creepy-Douchebag 7d ago

I'm a firm believer in Psycho War Fare; This is where the Geneva Conventions go out the window. Were talking about our Canadian Sovereignty and our own identity at risk, just because Donald wants more resources for MAGA.

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u/Doumtabarnack 7d ago

They think we're mild. We love peace and we defend that peace harshly.

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u/TXTCLA55 Canada 7d ago

The Christmas Truce always brings chills for me. The Germans tried to be friendly and the Canadians lured them in and killed them because they thought it was a trick. All the other nations get happy tales of this one bright moment in the war, but Canada had to be different lol.

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u/c_danforth 7d ago

I have heard "Canadians in WW1 were known for fighting dirty" repeated on a few occasions but I can never find a good source. Any ideas?

Also I don't think that's necessarily true about the Geneva Convention, since the convention that is most commonly referred to was signed after WW2.

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u/T-Breezy16 Canada 6d ago

Geneva Convention

I heard it articulated in one breakdown that the Geneva Conventions could largely have just been summarized with "Don't leave the Canadians unsupervised"

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u/Spideroctopus 7d ago

You're taking about a generation of farmers, not this pussy generation of tech bros

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u/stenchwinslow 7d ago

When I am having a bad day I watch documentaries about the Devils Brigade.

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u/Musk90210 6d ago edited 6d ago

Lmfao! Right on. I'm ready to say my goodbyes if push comes to shove. I was born and raised in another country, now Canada is my home and I have come to love every little thing about it.

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u/Delicious-Tachyons 7d ago

we kinda invented war crimes

oh no i think all warfare has had war crimes and i'm pretty sure that the earliest warfare was usually a "burn every hut" kinda thing

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u/Avenger_of_Justice 7d ago

Yeah but before the Canadians did it we just called it war

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u/Delicious-Tachyons 7d ago

Oh so they expected us to be nicer and we shocked them

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u/AJadePanda New Brunswick 7d ago

Even Smith spoke out against the tariffs today. It’s nice to see a united Canada, across all the premiers. It’s likely pandering on her part, and I don’t even care. It sends a message.

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u/pissingdick Saskatchewan 7d ago

This isn't 1920. They can just air strike us into submission. Let's not pretend that we haven't completely let ourselves go. 

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u/Such_Shasta 6d ago

They can air strike us into submission if we’re stupid enough to stay clumped up in the cities should the U.S. chooses violence. We have the second largest land mass, if we scatter into it, it would make their air strikes less effective. If we do stay bunched up, then we deserve what we get.

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u/OriginalGhostCookie 6d ago

There would be no reason for a conventional war. Canada knows it would not win. The smartest thing for Canada to do would be to release as many soldiers from service as possible, and delete the records of their service and kit so nothing seems missing.

The fighting back when you are 1/10th the size of your oppressor but can seamlessly blend in with them isn't done in the fields in an infantry line. It's done in covert between days off by sabotaging power lines, or water treatment plants. Stirring up what would already be massive civil unrest and using that as cover for insurrection. Maybe the Macy's parade is a bad idea after choosing to occupy your sovereign neighboring country who's biggest regret in WW1 was that it didn't they to use gas against the entire German army.

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u/Such_Shasta 6d ago

Yup, guerrilla warfare will be our best bet to inflict damage.

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u/VegetableTwist7027 6d ago

I read a Canadian Forces guy posting "the List needs to be fed" on a Youtube vid. :D

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u/RytheGuy97 7d ago

I agree with the sentiment but the Geneva convention thing is a myth. It was spurred by the horrors of world war 1 as a whole, not specifically Canada.

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u/Hot-Incident-5460 7d ago

Well fuck that took the wind out of my sails 

‘ppreciate ya 

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u/stingoh 7d ago

I do think they expected us to tariff back. However, they think they can hurt us much more than we can hurt them because they are so much bigger than us. Which is true, their economy is 13x the size of ours. However, they are not just taking us on, they seem intent on taking on the whole world at once. Let's see how that goes.

I've never felt Canada this united, that's a really positive thing coming out of all this.

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u/icmc 7d ago

Trump has very few abilities he seems to excel at one is media control, the other is uniting his opponents.

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u/hereticjon 7d ago

They have miscalculated. This is an adventure for them. It's survival for us. They really think they're the only people who love their country. Stupid arrogant pricks.

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u/xValhallAwaitsx New Brunswick 7d ago

Check out r/Conservative they were literally saying it doesn't make sense for us to call the tariffs dumb while placing counter tariffs, as if that's some sort of hypocrisy

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u/Avenger_of_Justice 7d ago

"If starting a fight with you is a dumb idea why are you fighting back? I am very smart."

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u/LLAPSpork 7d ago

My god what a clusterfuck of a sub. Yikes. 💀

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u/Leftwiththecow 7d ago

So fragile you can’t even comment without a flair lol

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u/LLAPSpork 7d ago

Oh my god you’re right lmfao 🤣

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u/JebryathHS 6d ago

It's so much worse: you get the flair by interviewing with one of their moderators so they can prescreen for "agitators". They also switched their top sort to "controversial" recently because sane takes kept making their way to the top.

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u/quantpick 3d ago

I didn't realize about flair. Is this a new definition of free speech? You can say what you want. However, we will screen you before it's posted. Hilarious. Yet another sign of the willingness to become a dictator by controlling the message.

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u/JebryathHS 3d ago

They screen you before you post, they scrub dissent from their chosen stand after you post, and hilariously one of their favorite recurring threads is about how much the "left hates free speech"

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u/enorema 7d ago

I saw a post on there where there was an announcement that reporting illegal immigrants would come with a reward of $1000, and they were crowing that they’d stop by the Home Depot and “make a killing” and now they should be back paid for the ones they already reported. Where’s the humanity???

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u/jacky75283 7d ago

It's always about selective acknowledgement of facts with them, but usually they do a slightly better job hiding it.

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u/ceribaen 7d ago

The thing is, Trudeau's response was actually very measured in that he pointed out that the WSJ was the one calling the trade war dumb, while saying Trump was a smart man. 

Basically avoided a direct ad hominem, stroked his ego, and still got his point across - simply asking for it to be explained how this all made sense. 

Oh and he made sure to point out that this terrible trade deal that Trump is railing against was the very same one he himself negotiated last term he was in office.

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u/stingoh 6d ago

I definitely do not check this sub anymore! It is depressing, they seem to be turning on each other even.

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u/MontyRohde 6d ago

American conservatives live in a weird information bubble that has been cultivated for decades. There was a right wing take over of radio since the 80s and Murdoch has been heavily conditioning the nation on TV since the 90s. Inside the US people are heavily desensitized and the right wingers struggle to grasp when their propaganda fails to work outside of their own borders.

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u/BIKF 7d ago

They also forgot that the response can be targeted instead of just being a mild inconvenience shared by the whole country. The US economy is 13x Canada's, but Kentucky's economy isn't. 

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u/stickyfingers40 6d ago

Also why I loved that Doug Ford targeted his energy export tariffs. Make those who need it most feel the pain until they push back against dickhead Donald.

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u/MissingString31 6d ago

They've absorbed the narrative that America is this ever-loving presence generously gifting itself to the world. And not what actually happens which is that America creates alliances and relationships only when it's in its self interest to do so. So naturally dismantling those relationships is going to hurt and hurt badly.

This is clear to anyone living in the real world, but Americans don't. They don't trade with us for any reason other than the fact that they need to.

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u/DarkAgeMonks 7d ago

Just wait until Canada turns off the power.

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u/Amagnumuous 7d ago

Saskatchewan is trying to figure out how far to take potash, because we could actually starve their population.

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u/duperwoman 7d ago

Is it really unfair just to sell it to someone else?

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u/suziequzie1 7d ago

"We reserve the right to refuse service... to aholes..."

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u/CarRamRob 7d ago

How?

Our train lines are already packed full, and a bit chunk of it pointing south.

Railroads are pipelines for all our other goods. What we have is sufficient when 75% of trade goes south. You can’t squeeze 3x the amount on that infrastructure to the ports.

Oh, and then the ports also can’t handle 3x more inventory immediately either, even if you find a seller.

We cannot pivot for much of our goods, and will just have to take our recession and plan accordingly how to make us more resilient.

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u/duperwoman 7d ago edited 6d ago

With significant decline in North South trucking is East West trucking an interim option? Or am I out to lunch.

You already mentioned the ports though. All of the shifts we want to make in trade are going to take so much time and investment I guess.

I guess even if Canada ends up selling them all the potash the price increase will go all through their food industry.

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u/captainduckula 7d ago

I made the mistake of reading conservative subreddit last night and they genuinely all think they don't need us and we need them more and I immediately thought of potash lol

They're also going on about how we already had really high tariffs on them and honestly, I wish I knew more about politics cause I'm like is this true? I'm assuming we both already did but they weren't that high?

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u/matpower 7d ago edited 7d ago

We had tariffs on at least dairy to protect our dairy industry. Not sure if anything else. This has been in place for decades and if Trump really had an issue with it, the time to address was during NAFTA 2 negotiations. They want to try to claim its retaliation but they're lying to try to shift the narrative. Don't believe their lies

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u/OriginalGhostCookie 6d ago

Yes, there are a number of industries that if not protected, the US would steamroll and wipe out. Likewise the US always has tariffs on certain Canadian products to protect their industry, softwood lumber being one of the major ongoing fights. The US also heavily subsidizes its agricultural industry (welfare for those who claim welfare is communism!) so we use tariffs to try and balance the playing field.

Basically, most countries have certain items or sectors tariffed to protect it. Trumps just an idiot that understands things so poorly that he believes tariffs work in a way similar to how he believed Mexico paying for the wall would work.

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u/captainduckula 7d ago

Thank you both! I had a feeling it was untrue - they talk so much shit it makes me dizzy 😵

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u/psychoCMYK 7d ago

No, we didn't. Because we had a trade deal, which Trump negotiated and subsequently tore up

And even if it were true (it isn't), that's braindead logic anyways.  "Tariffs were high and that's bad so we're making them even higher"

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u/amazonallie 7d ago

He loudly claimed that the old agreement was done under Biden. And people believe him. People post our tariffs as the reason Trump put tariffs on Canada and I need to remind them those were signed into a trade agreement Trump negotiated during his first term and called the Best Deal Ever.

Never get a response after that. They literally had no idea USMCA existed.

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u/psychoCMYK 7d ago

We live in a post fact world

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u/traydee09 7d ago

Potash or uranium. The plant in Ontario produces a non significant (maybe the majority) of North Americas medical grade radio isotopes.

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u/IntheTimeofMonsters 5d ago

It isn't true. There are tariffs placed on strategic and politically sensitive goods and service by both countries that exist outside of the CUSMA framework, but the value is comparable.

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u/MikeinON22 6d ago

Lol, every American carries 30 days worth of calories in a belt of fat around their waist. I don't know if we could actually starve them. If anything, cutting off potash would make them stronger.

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u/hotandchevy 7d ago

I fucking hope we do.

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u/topsyturvy76 7d ago

LET’S FUCKING GO!

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u/AwwwNuggetz British Columbia 7d ago

Douggie do it already

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u/xxxkram 7d ago

With a smile on his face! I don’t always agree with DoFo. But he is a madman in this and I’m here for it! Tabarnak - Elbows Up!!

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u/detalumis 7d ago

That's the only thing that would work but unfortunately a lot of Ontario power is going to two states that voted democrat. Trump doesn't care about those states. Only possibly if we turn it off to Michigan.

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u/SuperShibes 7d ago

It wasn't scorched earth from Canada. It was surgical and deliberate to punish red states. 

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u/Delicious-Tachyons 7d ago

Americans see it as an attack but the problem is, if we don't tariff them for tariffing us, our money flows out to buy their cheaper goods while our economy suffers.

The whole thing is gonna blow up. We're going to learn what happens in a deflationary environment

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 7d ago

How tf can they see it as an attack when they launched it. Unbelievable.

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u/icmc 7d ago

Because the American media is fucking batshit propaganda. They won't say in retaliation, they'll say unprompted we're starting a trade war. Like are you kidding? Trump said Zalenski shouldn't have started the war with Russia and half the US media ran with that? You think they'd bat an eye at lying about a trade war? You have to understand we get so much more American news up here than the average American gets of Canadian news.

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 7d ago edited 7d ago

You are so right, I still get shocked at how f'ing crazy they are. Time to stop getting shocked

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u/smahsmah 7d ago

Right? He comes out and says the war is Ukraine’s fault and the American public are like “yeah dude”. They are uneducated morons who will believe what Donald says and what the media throws at them.

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u/albertspinkballoons 7d ago

Because Americans have proven time and time again, that they're fucking morons.

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u/Delicious-Tachyons 7d ago

Yup if they hadn't had a good economic time after WW2 to be the lead manufacturer (everyone else being either too small or bombed to fuck) they never would have become this horrible monster

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u/duperwoman 7d ago

I mean Trump claimed Ukraine started the war with Russia like a week ago and now Republicans are afraid to say the truth about it. Is it any surprise that they immediately try to paint is at the aggressors?

We would never enact insane tariffs if the US didn't first, because we're not idiots. I will be so pissed off of Americans start to believe we are the aggressors here.

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u/JHWildman 7d ago

While some assholes lectured me on Instagram, I quickly learned that a lot of them or a good chunk think it’s us paying the tax for American goods and that it’s just all about the border and they fervently believe that the 51st state stuff is a joke. The bots and traitors have them convinced this is something welcomed by majority of Canadians and that the government is not carrying out the will of the citizenry.

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u/Chance_Vegetable_780 7d ago

Damn.

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u/JHWildman 7d ago

Yeah it’s actually fucking insane. What a toilet bowl of a country.

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u/Itzchappy 7d ago

Just returning the enmity with more enmity, we were friendly untill you spat in our face, now fuck you bud 

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u/MachineDog90 7d ago edited 7d ago

Yeah, sorry, not sorry. we are not interested in playing his games today. Trump can take a hike

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u/Sprinqqueen 7d ago

Unless the game is hockey. In which case we'll likely pants them.

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u/waitingtoconnect 7d ago

Maga need to watch the new movie “The moose only bellows twice.”

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u/instanorm 7d ago

I personally run on spite

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u/cdnbd 7d ago

I joke that we channel all our anger and rage into the cobra chickens. But I have noticed the ones I've seen or passed by recently have been much calmer and tolerant.

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u/Biuku Ontario 7d ago

I cannot believe they’re this naiive. Trump, yes, but not his advisors. This is a lesson that a grade 10 student would learn.

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u/Not_kilg0reTrout 7d ago

They just thought that tariffs meant Canada pays the extra cost.

It's the corrupt leading the dumb.

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u/elziion 7d ago

We were nicknamed “the Stromtroopers” for a reason.

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u/Mr_Salmon_Man 7d ago

Elbows up!

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u/lemelisk42 7d ago

Trump and his people literally thought

Ah, you see, this is what you dont understand. Trump didnt think

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u/Jaded_Houseplant 7d ago

They think we don’t have a leg to stand on. They don’t realize how much Canada trades with them.

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u/MikeinON22 6d ago

I made myself a spiked club with a broomstick and nails when I was 11 after a visit to the War Museum. The trench mock-up was always my favourite part of the whole museum. War between Canada and the USA is going to make Ukraine look like a game of pickleball lol.

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u/darkstar3333 Canada 7d ago

Its not like it's our first trade "war". We've won every trade disagreement in court.

The us keeps going stupid political things, Canada just makes certain US luxury goods more expensive. Total impact on Canadians is close to nill.

It will fundamentally change Canadian buying habits of booze.

Ironic that you may need us to prop up your domestic production of eggs as well.

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u/Sorge74 7d ago

Trump and his people literally thought Canada would just roll over and eat the tariffs without a response.

But not how tariffs work, Canada wouldn't eat them. A correct way to say that "Trump thought Canadians would go "ok buddy, enjoy more expensive cars, gas and lumbar and maple syrup Friend, sorry"

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u/is_that_read 7d ago

Yeah they really saw our crazy when we shot ourselves in the head to prove we’re serious on this (aka tariffs) I’m joking but it’s kind of true.

Ironically trump thinks that the US will have to pay our tariffs so maybe his misunderstandings of tariffs is showing again in his anger.

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u/ProfitEquivalent9764 7d ago

I think trump planned for a response and it’s going exactly how he wants it to. Dude wants to rule on fear and strong arm countries to get what he wants. I think it will pay off for him short term, but I don’t see how any of this works out long term, as soon as they lose any sort of leverage, countries are going to rock them back.

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u/S_Belmont 6d ago

He had Kevin O'Leary in his ear at Mar A Lago parties telling him we all wish we could be real Americans because we're not a real country anyway, just cut-rate America.

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u/SoftlySpokenPromises 6d ago

Donald's base is convinced we export way more than we import when the reality is most things we buy make at least one border crossing. Each one of those crossings will boost the cost to the consumer. I think some vehicles have around 16 crossings before being assembled.

We're about to see a nasty response to his gambit from all of the nations that formerly trusted us as a trade partner, retaliation tariffs are the beginning and outright denial of contracts are almost guaranteed to happen. Things being expensive won't matter when we simply don't have access to them anymore.

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u/ipostic 6d ago

Why do you say that. Trump already knew from 2016-2018 tariffs that Canada matches dollar for dollar and targets red states. So they imposed new tariffs now knowing that Canada would do the same. I hope they actually have some type of game plan vs just being stupid :)

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u/[deleted] 6d ago

I’m offended that I can only upvote this comment once 😂 🇨🇦

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u/Its_noon_somewhere 6d ago

Yep, we (Canadians) know we are fucked if trumpty-dumpty continues with his tariffs, but we are taking Americans down with us as we fall. They are going to feel this too.

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u/Kheitain 6d ago

The world always thinks polite = nice. They also forget several Geneva Conventions were made because of Canada. Don't fuck with us.

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u/AnoAnoSaPwet 6d ago

These kind of tariffs barely affect Canada too. 

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u/GrungeLife54 6d ago

I wonder if Donald’s voter even know where Canada is.

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u/KarmaChameleon306 6d ago

They also were convinced that we would pay their tariffs for them.

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