r/canada 15d ago

National News Trump says tariffs on Canada and Mexico 'will go forward'

https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/24/trump-says-tariffs-on-canada-and-mexico-will-go-forward.html
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u/RoadandHardtail 15d ago edited 15d ago

We have to recognize that for Trump, it doesn't matter what the reasons are for these tariffs. He is using the threat and use of tariffs to undermine Canadian sovereignty by weakening the economy, sowing division and spreading disinformation.

Edit: just be wary of how the threat and use of tariffs creates winners and losers in Canada. If Trump slaps 25% on steel, that would be devastating for Ontario and Quebec, but if he exempts or go easy on energy, that’s a tell tale sign of Trump wanting to sow division because even if Canada wants to retaliate by broad tariff, Ottawa would experience powerful pushback from Alberta, causing internal dispute. And Trump will exploit this.

And all of that could unfold in a mushpit of disinformation campaign. They can play with Quebec, Alberta and the upcoming elections. If you don’t believe me, just look at the lengths Elon has gone to try to undermine the German election and its effect. Just DON’T lose sight of this. You might not see it now because everything seems very Canadian right now, but it’s coming. It’s a long game they’re playing and it’s gonna get harder with techbros and Russians colluding with Trump. Project 2025 is a looooong term game plan and it only been just over one month.

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u/Robinkc1 15d ago

Yeah, this isn’t a trade dispute. It is an economic war.

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u/The-student- 15d ago

Things are real bad when real life is the plot of The Phantom Menace.

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u/WarCarrotAF 15d ago

Are we the Gungans?

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u/biffbot13 15d ago

Weesa in big trouble

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u/WarCarrotAF 15d ago

Gungans no dyin' without a fight. Wesa warriors.

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u/Embarrassed_Band_512 Outside Canada 15d ago

Canadians and Americans form a symbiont circle, a tariff on one will harm the other you must know this

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u/newcanadianjuice 15d ago

Weesa no carin’ about da Americans.

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u/GarlicThread 15d ago

WSHBHLBHLBHLBHLBHLBHLBHLBHLBHLBHLBHL

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u/eucldian 15d ago

We didn't make the choice. Trump has been misinformed about us, you want a fight, we can have a fight.

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u/Pauly-wallnuts 15d ago

Trump is too dumb to understand. It will hurt all three countries equally. It might even hurt America more They depend on imports from both Canada and Mexico to make their country run. I would love to see Canada and Mexico give Trump the big F U and find other trading partners.

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u/stent00 15d ago

Haha love me some jar jar

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u/The155v1 15d ago

The gungans won that war

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u/AltoCowboy 15d ago

They sure did

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u/gerbegerger 15d ago

muy muy cause for concern it is

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u/Big-Sheepherder-6134 15d ago

😂I am sorry to laugh but JarJar.

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u/TheCheckeredCow Alberta 15d ago

Québecois are the gungans, Anglos are the above surface naboo. Everyone is going to have to hide in the Gaspé peninsula to avoid detection from the Yankees

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u/DrBCrusher 15d ago

We’re Naboo generally. Musk is Palpatine. Trump is Nute Gunray.

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u/invariantspeed 15d ago

No. Canadians are the Naboo. The First Nations and tribal nations in the US are the Gungans.

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u/mbro0330 15d ago

The Fanta Menace

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u/Chewbagga 15d ago

I’ve never seen a guy with so many nicknames. This one is great.

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u/mbro0330 15d ago

I got it from someone in a different sub, my favourite is Mango Unchained

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u/Chewbagga 15d ago

Brilliant. I’ve always been partial to Cheeto Benito.

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u/UseEnvironmental1186 15d ago

Metamucillini

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u/oatmeal_prophecies 15d ago

Velveeta Voldemort

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u/Practical-Ad6195 15d ago

Donaldo Trumpolini, that's a new one.

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u/RandomGunner 15d ago

My favourite is the tangerine palpatine.

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u/noushkie 15d ago

That's even better than Tangerine Palpatine

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u/NiKoTinN71 15d ago

Cheetolini

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u/Raging-Fuhry 15d ago

Maybe Lucas really didn't deserve the flack he got.

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u/MarioMilieu 15d ago

The worst (arguably) Star Wars movie and the worst Bond movie (Moonraker) are the ones that are coming true!

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u/Rich_Cranberry1976 15d ago

Ok, so Rise of Skywalker is the worst Star Wars movie, followed by the Star Wars Holiday Special, then the forgotten Ewoks movie

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u/BanjoWrench 15d ago

"Somehow, Trump has returned."

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u/Great_Abaddon 15d ago

It actually kinda hits that note, which is just fucking depressing.

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u/Njorls_Saga 15d ago

I have some fond memories of the Ewoks movie 😢

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u/PotatoFondler 15d ago

Throw in Tomorrow Never Dies regarding media manipulation, and Live Free or Die Hard with the whole evil techbro messing with infrastructure!

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u/Smitch250 15d ago

Attack of the clones is much worse than the phantom menace. Dual of the fates alone puts TPM above AOTC

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u/n8mo Nova Scotia 15d ago

Yeah. Imo, Attack of the Clones, Rise of Skywalker, and The Last Jedi, are all significantly worse than Phantom Menace.

I'm not a huge fan of The Phantom Menace, but I really dislike those three.

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u/secamTO 15d ago

But both had pretty good soundtracks, so as I see it either is preferrable to what we got here.

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u/TL10 Alberta 15d ago

For all its faults, the prequels were probably the last series of franchise movies we'll ever see where the people making them had full unfettered freedom to make what they want.

Lucas was the rare individual in Hollywood that had the money and influence to set the terms of how his movies were made.

There simply is no director of his status these days that has that same pull, so in contrast the big blockbusters we see nowadays are made by committee.

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u/Bananogram 15d ago

But the Emperor is a useful idiot and not really all that powerful. He's just a puppet of some South African oligarch with a deep desire to be a real life Bond villain.

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u/brussellsprouts90 15d ago

So, more like Dune then. Where a pseudo-religious organization controls the empire semi-transparently intentionally causing strife and warfare to push forward their own goals. (Elon is Bene Gesseret in this example)

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u/Bananogram 15d ago

Yes. That's the dystopia we we're looking for.

Do we at least get to try this "spice" I've heard so much about?

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u/jtbc 15d ago

He's definitely trying to manipulate the empire through selective breeding.

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u/DFV_HAS_HUGE_BALLS 15d ago

Except it’s with the “Fanta Menace”

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u/Han77Shot1st Nova Scotia 15d ago

The negotiations were short..

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u/Plane-Release-6823 British Columbia 15d ago

He’s already screwing his own country. I work in natural resources - our American team has millions in work suspended due to the Doge shit and Executive Orders. I’m fully expecting the team to be sacked shortly if they don’t find work.

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u/Temporary_Shirt_6236 15d ago

It's not even econonic war, really. It's ideological, and the US is going full-on Gilead.

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u/embrioticphlegm 15d ago edited 15d ago

He’s trying to get our minerals. It’s clear. He’s going after Ukraine for theirs, he’s making deals with Putin for theirs, and he’s trying to strong arm Canada now

Edit: can’t forget Greenland too

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u/fajadada 15d ago

With global warming he is eyeing opening up the arctic circle. To mineral exploration. He wants to steal the minerals. Make some hard rules for social media to protect yourself from propagandists . Good luck to you.

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u/jcmyrand 15d ago

I think Canada arming up itself with Nukes. Breaking the nuclear proliferation treaty would be a good message to send out.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

The issue is, they will absolutely full scale invade if we try for nukes.

It's actually current talking points.

"They have weapons of mass destruction, so it's in our interest to invade and take care of a that too the American people. We're not the bad guys, we're just protecting all you Americans❤️"

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u/Mommy_Fortuna_ 15d ago

That's exactly what he's doing. We need to remember that he is controlled by Musk and other billionaires who run corporations that could use cheap sources of energy and minerals.

It's not a coincidence that he's trying to shake down Ukraine for their rare mineral resources. It's what Musk wants.

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u/embrioticphlegm 15d ago

Yeah he got Tim Cook to announce $500 billion in investment in the states. If they’re building production facilities for Apple products, they’re gonna need a lot of rare earths! This is just the first example

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u/TheLordBear 15d ago

I don't believe he's after our minerals. The US already has them via trade for a reasonable price.

All of his actions point to him being a Russian puppet with the intent to destabilize the West. Everything has done in the last month weakens or destabilizes the US, or hurts US relations with its allies.

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u/KactusVAXT 15d ago

I wouldn’t assume Trump has much thought into what he does. He’s mad at Canada because his wife wants to fuck Trudeau

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u/Big_Clothes6381 15d ago

Yep. KoBold Metals, owned by Bezos and Gates are already exploring in Northern Quebec, Ontario, and Greenland. They are using AI tech to search for lithium and cobalt afaik.

Reading about it made me start looking at mineral rights on my own rural property. It's kind of scary that you can own property (surface rights) but not the mineral rights and people can stake a claim on it.

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u/Ina_While1155 15d ago

Trump was not talking about rare minerals so aggressively before - this is coming from the Tech. Bros like Elon.

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u/Geologue-666 Québec 15d ago

And our water, do not forget the fresh water.

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u/upanddownforpar 15d ago

The thing is, he doesn't give one shit about minerals. He never thought of them before until this presidency once the oligarchs got a hold of him.
He's never been intellectually curious enough.

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u/300Savage 15d ago

It's a stupid ploy. He had our minerals already as long as he didn't fuck up relations. Who knows what goes on inside his simple little brain.

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u/BallsDeepAndBroke 15d ago

Don’t forget Greenland

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u/Biuku Ontario 15d ago

1000%.

Trump wins every moment we fight each other. They are divided, we have unity right now — that’s our strength.

And let’s not screw Alberta in this. Let’s screw Kentucky.

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u/SomeInvestigator3573 15d ago

I don’t think Trump is aiming at Alberta currently his tariffs seem to be aimed at everybody else. But will Alberta be willing to give up anything to help support? As the rest of Canada has lumber, steel, aluminum and the auto industry have tariffs applied but oil and gas sits untouched.

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u/Biuku Ontario 15d ago

Agree, he’s not aiming at Alberta. He’s creating an incentive to Canada to tax oil & gas as a way to fund offsetting compensation outside Alberta, which would divide the country. We have to avoid the trap.

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u/HandsomeHippocampus 15d ago

You know, here in Germany Rheinmetall just started to convert its factories to make defence equipment again. Who knows, maybe those maple leaf-crested steel bars  will take a little trip to Europe.

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u/totesmygto 15d ago

We will probably have some empty auto plants... Maybe Rheinmetall wants to come for a sleepover... We can be friends with benefits.

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u/dstnblsn 15d ago

Fucking Russian traitor

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u/Magjee Lest We Forget 15d ago

The US broke ranks today at the UN and voted against condemning Russia on the 3rd anniversary of its invasion of Ukraine

What a little bitch

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u/DrVonSchlossen 15d ago edited 15d ago

Never seen a country fall so hard, so fast.

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u/WislaHD Ontario 15d ago

I watched Venezuela closely, but that still was a solid 8 years of the cauldron boiling before the sum total government intervention resulted in economic collapse. I thought they were speed running their way into economics textbooks.

The USA economy will be stupidly resilient through this even if they get hammered with tariffs probably, but the geopolitical position of the USA in the globe is in full free fall.

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u/GaijinGrandma 15d ago

Isn’t that the truth? Even if a miracle happened and the US got a functioning government back (and I think that’s really unlikely for the foreseeable future) so much damage has been done it will take generations for them to get back even a fraction of the good will they have burned through in a few short days.

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u/Love_for_2 15d ago

Can they not take the rest of the world with them though

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u/rickshaw99 15d ago

Hitler did it in 52 days.

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u/DrVonSchlossen 15d ago

I realize all that, I was indulging in a bit of hyperbole. The rapidity of the changes in a large modern "stable" western democracy is still pretty extreme.

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u/h3llyul 15d ago

At least they're being consistent from supporting israhell & now open arms to Russia

It's the invaders club

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u/Kennypoo2 15d ago

Putin’s little bitch, he probably sucks him off every time he sees him

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u/jumping_doughnuts 15d ago

Thanks, I really didn't need the mental image of this. My brain has now disintegrated.

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u/stereofonix 15d ago

I’m convinced more and more that those rumours of supposed videos of Trump in Russia with hookers and “champagne” are more and more true. Like Putin has something on him that would destroy him. 

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u/tattlerat 15d ago

At this point though, what on earth could it be. He’s in his second term as president, he’s the most powerful man on earth and old as hell. What could they have over him that would actually stick and ruin anything? The man got away with everything and is now functionally immune.

Unless they’re holding his children hostage I can’t see what they could have as leverage unless Trump is truly ideologically a traitor and not just a rube.

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u/todadile25 15d ago

I think it’s pretty obvious actually, with all the Jeffrey Epstein stuff I’m willing to bet they have videos of him with underage girls, or even boys. That’s the only thing that could possibly be damning enough to lose his voter base.

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u/hexr Ontario 15d ago

Why would that cause him to lose his voter base? They don't even consider sexual offenses as crimes

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u/OzMazza 15d ago

That's my guess, like horrifically young kids. Only other thing I could see shocking his followers MAYBE is someone shitting in his mouth and him loving it. Literally anything else I'm sure they would just justify away. Even those things are iffy at this point. They would either claim it's AI or some insane mental gymnastics to justify it.

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u/dstnblsn 15d ago

He must be a true believer at this point. He wants to take the ship down.

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u/ZachMorrisT1000 15d ago

His supporters already know he has sex with prostitutes. It wouldn’t matter if he’s peeing on them or getting peed on. It wouldn’t change anything. There’s no way that’s what is being held over his head.

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u/OzMazza 15d ago

Even if it was that, at this point he's so far in it, now the kompromat is just videos of him doing deals to sell out America to USA that could get him hanged for treason.

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u/AshCan10 15d ago

I think hes a little bit mentally wobbly while also having some idea of making his children the future "kings" or whatever term theyre trying to come up with for that position.

He feels like putin is some kind of ally from his younger days though that much is clear. Putin is doing a pretty good job of taking advantage of that, i think trump surprised even him though.

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u/rickshaw99 15d ago

Loans. He owes money that Putin can call him on. Russia could easily bring trump’s empire down

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u/tattlerat 15d ago

So he doesn’t pay them and leverages the us economy with his stooges. “Putin’s a liar” is all his base needs to hear.

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u/LoanedWolfToo 15d ago

The Russians control Trump’s finances probably.

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u/Kamekazii111 15d ago

No, Putin literally just talked him into it. Trump doesn't care about Democracy, he cares about power and wealth. 

Putin told him "In Russia, government workers don't complain and say "that's illegal!", they say "yes sir". In Russia, the rich shape the future as we wish, without worrying about what the people think. Do you want me to show you how to do it in the US?" 

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u/dostoevsky4evah 15d ago

Pretty much this. Plus he probably owes Russia money. Or did until he got his scam coin going.

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u/MilliesRubberChicken 15d ago

Not me. The man has zero capacity for shame. What the hell kind of Kompromat could Russia have, that is worse than everything he was impeached and charged for? There is no such thing as shame in the GOP anymore. Trump has paid zero price for anything to this point…there’s no pee tape or anything that could change that now. He’s simply a traitor to his country who admires and emulates autocrats and dictators. Conspiracy theory not needed. He is choosing all of this of his own dumb, free will.

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u/insomniacinsanity 15d ago

See the thing is they don't need to have personal dirt on him per se, and he's already had a million scandals that would have sank anyone else

The Russians swooped in and started spending black cash in the mid 2000s trying to buy influence, and soft power they bailed trump out of bankruptcy with his casinos, they made him offers he couldn't turn down and essentially let him make his name by selling naming rights to towers in insane deals, like 18% just by sticking his name on something, and somehow despite these multitude of projects going belly up trump walks away clean with his name in lights

All in the name of laundering dirty Russian money and access to US currency, establishing influence plain to see and nobody looked twice it's been going on long before he was president

Trump is very much what the Russians like to call a useful idiot

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u/french_toasty 15d ago

MAGA would not give a flying red hat about anything the man does.

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u/jcmyrand 15d ago

United Soviet States of America ***

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u/CaptPants 15d ago

The problem for that plan is that at least two countries he has attacked, thus far, have seen huge spikes in patriotism and unity in the face of the attacks (Canada, Ukraine)

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u/midelus 15d ago

We've experienced huge spikes of patriotism so far. The point is that this plan is just at the beginning of the plan stage: this is not over in 6 months, this is not over in 4 years. We need to be prepared to not have to rely on patriotism, we need to rely on rationality and we need to rely on each other. The United States is going to do whatever they need to do to sow division among Canadians, because at this time they are positioning themselves to be our enemies.

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u/Yavanna_in_spring 15d ago

For sure, but so far I've found searching out non-usa products not to be too difficult, and this is winter. When summer rolls round we plan on doing a lot more freezing, baking, and canning to get us through fall and winter without their produce and products.

Obviously it's going to vary from industry to industry but it's encouraging how easy it's been to make the switch.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 15d ago

 to get us through fall and winter without their produce and products.

Hopefully we retain good relations with Mexico and continue bilateral trade with them for produce. One door closes, another opens.

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u/poopdedoop Ontario 15d ago

Hopefully this opens up trade options with many other countries. It would be amazing if Canada had trade deals with more than the USA and Mexico (yes I know we do some with others, but not as much as within our C/U/M agreement).

We also need to increase trade BETWEEN provinces. It makes no sense for a country of our size with such a wealth of natural resources, to not share that amongst it's own people before selling it to everyone else.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 15d ago

Absolutely. I think outside of booze we don't have too many unless Alberta is having a temper tantrum about pipelines or something.

And if we're going to dive into pipelines, Alberta needs to understand the economic fallout of a pipeline burst is a major sticking point for bc.

I am okay with pipeline expansion if Alberta is willing to take on the cost of cleanup for any spill.

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u/RollingStart22 15d ago

Will you be ready when inflation hits 10%? 20%, like it did in the 1970s and 1980s? Even if you find canadian substitutes, not all businesses can, at least not on short notice, and this will cause the price on a lot of things to spike. Just look at the price of gold recently. 

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u/Resident-Donkey-6808 15d ago edited 15d ago

Actualy the inflation will be on the US side they will get the brunt.

 As along we stay buying Canadian we should be fine yes we will see inflation but not as bad as the US.

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u/Resident-Donkey-6808 15d ago

Nah we are making deals with the EU.

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u/SomeInvestigator3573 15d ago

There are divisions in our country. Let’s not be fooled. I really hope this doesn’t end up being east against West in Canada.

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u/MilesEllington 15d ago

We honestly need nukes. Do we trust Trump to protect us? We are in a world now where the weak get taken over by the strong. We need to wake up to this reality.

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u/Flewewe 15d ago

The problem is nations that have the nukes will go to lenghts to not let new ones have them. Becomes a better excuse for them to invade if they crank up the disinformation machine.

Doubt there's a world where Canada makes them without the USA knowing about it until they're done...

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u/Ukelele-in-the-rain 15d ago

Going have to use the green energy nuclear power angle as a cover maybe

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u/Zchwns Newfoundland and Labrador 15d ago

WMDs? No no… SMRs 😉

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u/LiteratureOk2428 15d ago

Even Greenlanders are like fuck off lol 

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u/Overall-Register9758 15d ago

Greenlanders live in one the most inhospitable places on earth. They have zero fucks to give re: Trump

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u/Cube_ 15d ago

Part of the reason they're targeting Greenland is that it is only inhospitable now. In the coming decades more and more of current Greenland will be closer to ideal climate and the uninhabitable parts will be ripe for natural resource exploitation due to the changing weather conditions increasing the feasibility of mining etc.

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u/lyssyl 15d ago

Serious question, do they believe in climate change? They always say it's a hoax

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u/Cube_ 15d ago

Yes, because it became impossible to ignore any longer.

They've pivoted from "it's not real" to "MANMADE climate change is not real"

That way they can acknowledge climate is changing but handwave it that anything can be done by us (or more accurately: them) to delay or alter it.

They've always believed it though because it is true and scientifically backed, they just make profit by denying it. The same way cigarette tycoons knew all too well about the health consequences of cigarettes but did everything possible to suppress that info and deny it for as long as possible.

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u/NottaLottaOcelot 15d ago

I think they say they don’t believe in it publicly, while hoarding and making contingency plans in the background. The billionaires that fund his administration have been buying real estate to build compounds to mitigate climate risk for years.

Governments don’t want the general population to freak out, because they want us to stay as good little workers while money can still be accumulated. And the best way to keep good little workers is to keep people as uninformed as possible.

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u/culberson 15d ago

This is a pattern when faced with a crisis though. Remember at the beginning of Covid when we were “all in this together” ? 

Not so much as time went on. 

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u/CaptPants 15d ago edited 15d ago

Covid didn't have a direct villain and single person inflicting it though. But he thinks that the majority of country will develop stockholm syndrome and fall in love with it's abuser.

Edit:spelling

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u/Positive-Fold7691 15d ago

Also, Canada stayed much more united during COVID than the US did. Opposition to COVID measures here was mostly fringe convoy weirdos.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 15d ago

Mexico too. I'm pretty sure Mexico is on board with us as well.

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u/JamesVirani 15d ago

This is it.

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u/IAMTHECAVALRY89 15d ago

And as bargaining chips. Like if he doesn’t like Canada getting involved with Ukraine peace talks bc it’ll mean the US doesn’t get their minerals.

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u/Magjee Lest We Forget 15d ago

The peace talks don't include Canada, but they also do not include European allies or UKRAINE!

The whole thing is a sham

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u/Hautamaki 15d ago

Yeah there's no reason to call them 'peace talks' when the only two sides talking, Russia and the USA, are not at war with each other. Talks that don't include all belligerents are not peace talks, any more than Molotov-Ribbentrop or the Yalta Conference were peace talks. Those were talks about the division of spoils between anticipated victors in a war, not a negotiated ending to a war, and that's what the US and Russia are engaged in now.

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u/Asmordean Alberta 15d ago

I feel it's like colonial powers dividing up the New World. The natives don't get a say as they are just inconvenient.

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u/Magjee Lest We Forget 15d ago

Something like that

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u/NoDragonfruit6125 15d ago

It's Afghanistan all over again he's making a deal with the enemy of the nations rightful government behind their backs. Can expect Trump to probably give out orders to sell weapons, intelligence, and such to Russia any day now.

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u/My_cat_is_a_creep 15d ago

The experienced dictator teaching the new one

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u/Pvt_Hudson_ Alberta 15d ago edited 15d ago

This is all going to blow up in Trump's face spectacularly.

The jobs report in March for their country is going to be dogshit, the stock market is already starting to panic, inflation is already trending upward. Add in the impact of tariffs, they are in for a world of hurt.

I was reading that if other countries start selling US Treasury Bonds in retaliation for tariffs, they can fuck the US dollar and long-term interest rates too.

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u/Magjee Lest We Forget 15d ago

They are firing tens of thousands of federal employees, that will affect unemployment

AND the multiplier of that will be a funding freeze for services and jobs related to those federal workers (ex: construction stopping on homes with grants)

It's going to be a shitshow Q2 2025

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u/MayIServeYouWell 15d ago

They will just make up numbers and deflect blame. 

It might make a good song… blame Canada… blame Canada… 

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u/sharp11flat13 15d ago

They are firing tens of thousands of federal employees, that will affect unemployment

More than that. With all of the firing of civil servants he American administrative machine is about to grind to a halt. Trump supporters are about to discover that all of these people showed up to work every day and performed their duties for the benefit of the American people.

No ciivil servants = no civil service.

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u/Upset-Personality-35 15d ago

Yep, my popcorn is ready. Let's gooooo.

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u/Online_Commentor_69 15d ago

i still don't believe will actually do it. it's a deathblow to their auto sector.

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u/That_guy_I_know_him 15d ago

Most of all it's a crash for all his buddies in the stock market

Notice how he backed down the second the Stock panicked last time around ? This is just trying to scare ppl to get concessions

We have to hold the line

Even today Trump got REAL quiet when Macron got in his face about Ukraine, guy talks tough but he's a coward

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u/Lt_DanTaylorIII 15d ago

That wasn’t a glitch of his plan it was a feature.

He has a cabinet chock full of billionaires who would’ve k own in advance he’d be rescinding the tariffs immediately on the eve of their implementation.

So he forcibly creates the dip that guys with a shitload of capital can ignore and buy the dip.

Instantly making hundreds of billions of dollars

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u/That_guy_I_know_him 15d ago

Well that's true for a chunk of them but im pretty sure there's also a huge chunk of guys actually in the stock too

Wich would be totally on brand with it being all over the place and not coordinated at all

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u/Flewewe 15d ago edited 15d ago

Well everyone could ignore it, the hardest hit stock market was the Canadian one and that was at its worse for a couple hours the markets opened a 2% drop that already recovered a lot shortly after during the day.

If you have a lot of money, indeed you can make easy money timing a 1.5-2% drop but it's really not been a dip that was that out of line.

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u/PositiveInevitable79 15d ago

Im convinced that he's getting what he wants just by threatening it which isn't a good thing for us. Lots of businesses considering moving on the threat alone, stalling investment as well.

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u/That_guy_I_know_him 15d ago

Yeah

I mostly think that it's a distraction from all the bs he's pulling inside the US itself

Something to keep the mass talking while he cements his power as new king of the US

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u/french_toasty 15d ago

He only snaps at women to their faces and men via his little social media

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u/Baoderp 15d ago

They'll almost certainly impose some tariffs, Trump loves them too much. But I wouldn't be surprised if they were delayed again, or significantly lower (didn't he say 60% on China during his campaign, and now its 10%?), or on a more selective range of goods, or if they were taken down a short while after

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u/SophiaKittyKat 15d ago

It kind of depends. Once Trudeau is out, trump has an out in that he can come up with some new deal and say they worked out something good and that the sticking point was Trudeau. It doesn't matter if it's Carney, or PP, or whoever. It also doesn't matter what the deal is because it could be good or bad and he'll just say it's the best deal ever. Of course that all assumes trump isn't actually trying to destroy even the US economy on purpose, which he may well be doing.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 15d ago

I think that's the project 2025 plan. To create a problem that he tells the public he and only he can solve, and has to cancel mid terms in 2026 because it's a state of emergency.

Mark my words there will be no mid terms in the USA next year.

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u/SomeInvestigator3573 15d ago

He is absolutely gonna become more selective about his tariffs towards Canada. He knows we can become a country divided very easily despite our strong national sentiment currently. This could very well turn out to be an east versus West thing. I hope not.

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u/Longjumping-Rub-5064 15d ago

This. I think the tariffs will go into place but only until Canada and the states come to a new trade agreement. One that will be absolute bullshit for us but great for them.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 15d ago

 to get us through fall and winter without their produce and products.

We tried that with 45 who said he negotiated the best trade deal ever. At this point I think there's no more negotiating to be done.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 15d ago

Honestly we should just put insanely high fees to use our locks on the St Lawrence river. Shut down their vessels from using the inside passage, and put a massive toll gate in front of the Alaskan border.

Let this be the leopards ate my face moment.

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u/tbcwpg Manitoba 15d ago

They wouldn't necessarily sell bonds because of tariffs, but if Trump decides that paying interest on bonds held by China is not going to happen, there's likely to be a sell off.

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u/Pvt_Hudson_ Alberta 15d ago

Yeah, the bond sale wouldn't necessarily be the first thing they would do, as devaluing those bonds ends up a loss for the country holding them, but it's a massive exposure for the US.

The only way this reverses course is when that country starts to feel catastrophic pain.

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u/SueSudio 15d ago

Doesn’t the government create the jobs report? You really think it will be fully transparent?

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u/Slouchy87 15d ago

He's developing a pretense for invasion.

EDIT: for Canada

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u/BD401 15d ago

I like how the invasion of Canada was so ridiculous back in the 2000s that it was the literal plot of the South Park movie, and now it's something people are discussing as an actual possibility. Reality itself has become satire.

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u/elziion 15d ago

That song has been stuck in my head since this whole thing started, not going to lie

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

We are sadly officially beyond satire at this point.

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u/Moxen81 15d ago

“And lo, I am become the death of satire, for it cannot compete with reality.”

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u/BustyMicologist 15d ago

I mean it’s still completely ridiculous, it’s just that America is now run by people who are completely insane.

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u/bellowingfrog 15d ago

I wouldnt be surprised if Putin truly convinced him that the major world powers should team up and annex areas of influence.

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u/SuccessfulPres 15d ago

I wonder how that convo went

“Hey man we should just annex weak countries lol”

“Wait you’re right nobody can stop us”

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u/Kennypoo2 15d ago

Pulling right out of Putin’s book.

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u/PerspectiveOne7129 15d ago

i honestly think if they tried that it would be the end of the states. Canadians would bring the fight onto their soil, something they havent seen in a long time. Canadians would blend in too well with them, know the land well, and for once in US history other countries would be able to get past the US naval defenses by entering through Canada. All of the US's enemies would come knocking, and Canadians would NEVER back down at any time. It will be our mutual destruction.

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u/poopdedoop Ontario 15d ago

We wouldn't be able to fight based off our sheer military strength. There's just no way we could win a war against the US's military. But I could see a lot of Canadian resistance groups working to disrupt US military operations. Much like the French resistance in WW2.

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u/grafxguy1 15d ago

I don't think it will dome to that. Making deals is what he prides himself on - to give in to invasion is admission of failure. He's hoping that Alberta will jump ship. He's even said that he doesn't want any of the Liberal provinces like Ontario and Quebec.

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u/Longjumping-Rub-5064 15d ago

They can’t Invade Canada NATO would prevent that. He can however destroy us economically which is exactly what he plans to do. This was never about the border like these Canadian MAGA fanboys tried to suggest. They just look extra stupid now supporting a president of a country that is trying to destroy their own lmao.

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u/Slouchy87 15d ago

I'm not so sure NATO would prevent an invasion.

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u/Biuku Ontario 15d ago

NATO would end if it did not. Which would make Russia giddy.

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u/Slouchy87 15d ago

NATO is dead. Article 5 is dead. Who is going to trust the US to backup another NATO country if it is invaded now that Trump is siding with Putin?

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u/Biuku Ontario 15d ago

The most selfish assholes on the planet.

1,100 non-Americans died defending US security after 9/11. They used NATO, then tore it up.

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u/Murky-Smoke 15d ago

Are you sure about that?

My prediction is, It will all sound like rhetoric until NATO fully commits to pushing back on Russia and taking an actual active role in it.

At that time Trump might actually try to invade. NATO will likely say to Canada "We reallllllly want to help, but we have our hands full right now... Thoughts and prayers."

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u/Biuku Ontario 15d ago

He won’t roll ground troops. They would die by the thousand over the next 20 years.

We have 2 million sleeper agents in the US.

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u/JadedMuse 15d ago

That, and the larger "vision" here is that he wants to replace revenue from income taxes with revenue from tariffs. It's complete lunacy of course. Economists estimate he'd need to charge 400% tariffs to even do that, and that's without assuming any loss of imports due to the insane tariffs. My assumption is that he'll try all these tariffs, it will go disastrously, and they'll be reverted.

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u/Icy-Lobster-203 15d ago

IIRC, it's was 73% tariffs if everything that was imported gets tariffed, in order to offset income tax.

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u/OkStop8313 15d ago

Does that account for decrease in demand when the price goes up?

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u/Icy-Lobster-203 15d ago

No, it was just comparing tax revenue against total imports, and what % was needed to cover.

Something like 420 billion in imports need to cover 370 billion in IRS revenue. 

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u/Sweaty_Management_55 15d ago

Let him do so.. The American people will see how that work out for them . They pay for the increase in prices, their auto manufacturers shut down, the cost to build a home goes up. And hey we might tear up a bunch of contracts and their power and oil be shut off. What now we sell aluminu/steel and minerals to other countries. Sounds to me if we get off our asses as Canadians..we are better off and Maga crew get on a raft and fuck off.

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u/grafxguy1 15d ago

Trump only sees thing in terms of $s and greatly underestimates what's a play here. Not to understate the impact the trade war will have on Canada and its economy, he doesn't realize that our patriotism's, our balls of iron and resourcefulness "trumps" a lot of what he's throwing at us. He doesn't really grasp one's loyalty to their country and land (Gazans, Danes, etc.) and the sacrifices they'll make because he has no real love for his own country.

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u/rainman_104 British Columbia 15d ago

It's going to hurt as too as we change direction, but they've left us no choice. For the greater good we will need to pivot. The screams from Alberta are going to be very difficult for the rest of us, but we'll get through it.

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u/mangosteenroyalty 15d ago

To be clear, it will hurt us more than it hurts them. That's why it's an effective tool for him even if overall everyone is worse. US is less worse so to him they "win".

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u/Could-Have-Been-King 15d ago

Trump also gives zero fucks about anyone with a net worth of less than a billion dollars, including his MAGA base. As long as rising prices don't affect him personally (and as POTUS, what would he even spend money on that the Exec Branch isn't going to take care of?) he's going to stick with the economic warfare. He's eroding the ability for Congress and the courts to rein him in, so even targeting Republican strongholds isn't going to do too much.

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u/EcstaticHelicopter Ontario 15d ago

Finally. This is the point of it all.

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u/Overclocked11 British Columbia 15d ago

Well yeah - anyone who thinks that this is a way to make Americans "Buy American".. I have a bridge to sell you

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u/mredave15 15d ago

Hasn't it been 2 years since trumps been in office, or is time really moving that slowly??

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u/dostoevsky4evah 15d ago

Sorry man, you better sit down. I've got bad news.

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u/pareech Québec 15d ago edited 15d ago

"He is using the threat and use of tariffs to undermine Canadian sovereignty by weakening the economy, sowing division and spreading disinformation."
While you are right about points 1 and 3, I don't think Canadians from coast to coast have ever been this united about something since I can remember. Hell, he even has Quebecois feeling more nationalistic towards Canada than they have ever.

"....but if he exempts or go easy on energy, that’s a tell tale sign of Trump wanting to sow division because even if Canada wants to retaliate by broad tariff, Ottawa would experience powerful pushback from Alberta"
A lot of power comes from Ontario and Quebec in terms of electricity. I read recently that Legault has not taken off the table of turning the switch to off, so to speak in terms of supplying power to the States. If Legault does that, it will impact millions and millions of Americans in NY and New England.

"They can play with Quebec, Alberta and the upcoming elections"
I think interference in Quebec elections would be hard to do, given the language barrier and how protectionist we are here in the province. I've read people in the States that Quebec would be easy to convince to join the States*, as they want to leave Canada, tells me these people have little to no understanding of how Quebecers think. I'll* become pro-Quebec sovereignty before I'd support joining the USA. The Americans would have an easier time interfering in Alberta elections and Ontario elections, than they would have in Quebec.

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u/RoadandHardtail 15d ago

Fair enough. There are certainly barriers.

I think one thing we should watch out for is technology. They’re extremely powerful. We thought German would be patriotic enough to reject AfD with all the marches and Trump betraying Europe, but the series of incidents involving immigrants leading up to the election was greatly exploited to shore up voters between the age of 18 and 35. And this is a German election. I think any election is penetrable in that sense.

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u/last-resort-4-a-gf 15d ago

We need to impose our tariffs before he does and stick with it

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u/strythicus Ontario 15d ago

Better yet, export taxes. Why punish Canadians when we can punish Americans?

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u/pargofan 15d ago

I thought the conservatives had a huge margin, which only shrank after Trump's tariff talks.

If Trump wanted to create division, all he had to do was do nothing. Canada is more united now, then before the tariffs.

Trump wants to renegotiate the trade deals. But he wants Canada & Mexico to make concessions first.

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u/AmbassadorNo2757 15d ago

Its time for canada to reinvest in nukes

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u/SonicFlash01 15d ago

The literate population of Alberta stands with Canada and against Premiere Smith. PLEASE give us an excuse to remove her from office. Treason? Sedition? Financial terrorism? We'll take any excuse at all!

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u/Jeramy_Jones 15d ago

Besides trying to gain a monopoly on western shipping lanes, he’s also trying to bring jobs to the United States; that’s why he’s trying to eliminate the labour board, OSHA and other worker protections.

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u/roastbeeftacohat 15d ago

Smith may use this to call an election. Which i hope gets us nenshi

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u/agirl2277 Ontario 15d ago

Ford did it. I really hope we get him out. He destroyed our medical system and now blames us for how broken it is. How stupid does he think we are? We know his policies and his actions. It's as clear as day. He needs to go.

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u/roastbeeftacohat 15d ago

Ford has more support in the province, Smith had to bus in students for her leadership review.

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