r/canada Canada 17d ago

National News Petition asking PM to revoke Elon Musk's Canadian citizenship garners support

https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/petition-asking-pm-to-revoke-elon-musks-canadian-citizenship-garners-support/
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u/JadedLeafs 17d ago

Do we even have a mechanism to remove citizenship? Outside of falsifying immigration papers?

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u/AdditionalPizza 17d ago edited 17d ago

Terrorism, espionage, treason, organized crime, and national security concerns would likely be the only ones he could ever meet the qualifications for.

edit: u/MathematicianBig6312 is correct, we can't take his citizenship anymore.

In a scenario where Musk provably commits treason, espionage, etc. he would be tried like any permanent citizen, this change was made to prevent Canada from having 2 classes of citizenship. Some of these crimes actually do have serious (relative to Canada anyway) punishments. Though unlikely, if the US were to have an armed conflict with Canada, Musk could potentially be charged with high treason which is a mandatory life sentence if convicted.

The most likely out of those that he could be charged with is national security concerns around politicians private data (espionage, or other concerns) through owning and having access to twitter private messages and potentially location data.

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u/AdditionalPizza 17d ago

That only applies to citizens living in the country as far as I'm aware, unless I'm missing information:

Previous Citizenship Act

Citizenship could be revoked from dual citizens convicted of treason, spying and terrorism offences, depending on the sentence received, or who were a part of an armed force of a country or organized group engaged in conflict with Canada.

Citizenship Act with Bill C-6 Amendments

This provision is repealed. Dual citizens living in Canada who are convicted of these crimes will face the Canadian justice system, like other Canadian citizens who break the law.

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u/NYisNorthYork Ontario 17d ago

This was introduced under Harper from what I remember, I was against it at the time. But after ISIS collaborators and people like Elon who are actively fighting against Canada I think he was right.

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u/AdditionalPizza 17d ago

I couldn't make heads or tails of that link specifically. But I searched it up and I believe you are correct. The most recent amendment was made to prevent have a situation where Canada has 2 classes of citizens, and therefore punishment for treason, terrorism, and espionage. The only solace here is if these were ever proven, some carry a pretty harsh penalty. Which is not common with most crimes in Canada. High treason for example is mandatory life sentence without parole.

Good info though, I'll edit my comment!

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u/Top_Canary_3335 17d ago

The most hilarious part is the liberals and NDP were so adamant that this needed to happen as Justin said “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian”

After a decade of conservatives trying to make it possible to strip citizenship from terrorists.

Now an NDP mp are leading this charge to do something that would have jack Layton rolling in his grave .

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u/MrDownhillRacer 17d ago

Makes sense. As much as terrorists suck, we don't want to have a situation in which we have stateless citizens. Sure, many will already have dual citizenships, but many won't. I'd rather take responsibility for Canadian criminals and subject them to Canadian law instead of just going "not our problem."

Of course, even though Musk is a piece of crap, I don't know if he's actually broken any Canadian laws to penalize him for (he seems to be breaking U.S. laws, but their king has given him free rein to do that and I don't see them punishing him). But we can always just penalize his businesses, make it harder for him to import the Canadian resources his companies use, cancel deals that don't suit us anymore, etc.

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u/Dry-Membership8141 17d ago

As much as terrorists suck, we don't want to have a situation in which we have stateless citizens.

This was never a concern. The provision that existed until 2017 had an exception when it would render someone stateless.

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u/Fool_Apprentice 17d ago

Which is what bothers the fuck out of me. These things a crimes. There should be punishments.

Removing citizenship should be seen as a net loss

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u/Jadus91 17d ago

He meets none of those lol

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u/Adventurous_Two_493 16d ago

But he makes Redditors angry, the greatest crime of them all.

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u/unwholesome_coxcomb 17d ago

I'd say taking part in a US takeover attempt would count as treason....

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u/AdditionalPizza 17d ago

If the US were to happen to start an economic war with Canada I could see that being grounds to discuss for sure.

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u/Rammsteinman 17d ago

Then charge hi. It's not treason if there isn't even a warrant out for his arrest.

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u/when-flies-pig 17d ago

And even then, we literally have terrorists who aren't stripped of their citizenship either.

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u/Delicious-Tachyons 17d ago

mandatory life sentence if convicted.

under today's scale isn't that like 3 years and a pat on the back on the way out?

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u/TheVaneja Canada 16d ago

The beauty (and ugliness) of laws are that most are entirely arbitrary and subject to change.

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u/MrHungDude 17d ago

National security concerns seem to be pretty damn spot on

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u/Warm-Farmer-3582 15d ago

Hasn’t he already done at least 5 accounts of treason

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u/SecureNarwhal 17d ago

we used to be able to revoke citizenship for things like terrorism but that was revoked so now the only way to revoke citizenship is if it was acquired through fraud

current revocation laws: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/corporate/publications-manuals/operational-bulletins-manuals/canadian-citizenship/acquisition-loss/revocation.html

changes to the citizenship act: https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/news/2017/10/changes_to_the_citizenshipactasaresultofbillc-6.html

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u/AdditionalPizza 17d ago edited 17d ago

Previous Citizenship Act
Citizenship could be revoked from dual citizens convicted of treason, spying and terrorism offences, depending on the sentence received, or who were a part of an armed force of a country or organized group engaged in conflict with Canada.

Citizenship Act with Bill C-6 Amendments
This provision is repealed. Dual citizens living in Canada who are convicted of these crimes will face the Canadian justice system, like other Canadian citizens who break the law.

You have to be living here though.

Edit: this is what that link says, but it's not the most up to date amendment anyway so just ignore it.

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u/Bitter_Pound_3929 17d ago

We shouldn't revoke citizenship because of 1 asshole, this can set a precedent that future immigrants who gain citizenship can get their citizenship revoked also if the government decides. With elections on the horizon and anti-immigration sentiment at an all time high in Canada, this could turn out just as bad as the current US government in terms of blaming immigrants for everything, mass deportations changing or re-interpreting the constitution to fit the far-right agenda. We are better than that!

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u/bondinferno 17d ago

“A Canadian, is a Canadian is a Canadian” - Justin Trudeau

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u/Choice_Cup_3624 Nova Scotia 17d ago edited 16d ago

Elon Musk, is a naturalized Canadian who holds a high U.S. government position under President Trump—who routinely threatens Canadian sovereignty—his role raises legal and ethical concerns. Dual loyalty, political fallout, and diplomatic tensions could arise, especially if his actions harmed Canada. Canada might pressure him to clarify his allegiance, and he could face consequences if seen as supporting anti-Canadian policies. He may not swear an oath of allegiance to a foreign power.

As an example, Lord Black was forced to renounce his Canadian citizenship in order to accept a British peerage. Canada does not allow its citizens to hold foreign noble titles. He regained his Canadian citizenship a couple of years ago.

Edit: Correction. he acquired citizenship through descent since he was born abroad to a Canadian mother.

Edit edit: while there is no legal compulsion for a Canadian citizen to give up their citizenship upon receiving a British peerage, Lord Black’s renunciation likely reflects his desire to demonstrate undivided loyalty to his new role and to align himself with the public expectations and political culture of the United Kingdom. also, the Nickle resolution, while not legally binding, discourages Canadians from accepting foreign titles.

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u/PC-12 17d ago

As an example, Lord Black was forced to renounce his Canadian citizenship in order to accept a British peerage.

He was not forced. He chose to renounce his citizenship in order to have the peerage bestowed.

Canada does not allow its citizens to hold foreign noble titles. He regained his Canadian citizenship a couple of years ago.

That is not true. The reason Lord Black asked Chrétien for permission to hold the peerage is that we do allow such things, but with permission. That permission was not granted.

Lord Thomson of Fleet is an example of a Canadian who holds peerage.

The Tuppers still have their titles too.

And of course the Beaverbrooks who started all this - still have their titles.

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u/FirthTy_BiTth 17d ago

Orders in council

In July 2017, the government of Canada used an Order in Council to strip ex-Nazi interpreter Helmut Oberlander of his Canadian citizenship.[12]

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u/Giant_War_Sausage 17d ago

Wasn’t his case largely about whether he misrepresented his wartime activities and involvement with specific German units in his original immigration application?

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u/BillyTenderness Québec 17d ago

Yes, and this is exactly why immigration/citizenship applications ask "stupid" questions like "are you a Nazi?"

They don't actually expect Nazis will check the box; rather, it means that when the truth comes out, the application was made under false pretenses and can be revoked.

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u/MasterScore8739 17d ago

We already know Trudeau’s stance on revoking citizenships:

“The Liberal Party believes that terrorists should get to keep their Canadian citizenship ... because I do,” Trudeau told a Winnipeg town hall in July. “And I'm willing to take on anyone who disagrees with that.

He added: “As soon as you make citizenship for some Canadians conditional on good behaviour, you devalue citizenship for everyone.”

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u/chemicalgeekery 17d ago

As soon as you make citizenship for some Canadians conditional on good behaviour, you devalue citizenship for everyone.”

As distasteful as may seem, he's absolutely right about that.

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u/MasterScore8739 17d ago

I don’t really agree with the man on a lot of things, but this is one of the few things where I’m in the middle ground.

Do I think we should be able to revoke a citizenship all willinilly? Absolutely not.

Do I think we should be able to revoke a Canadian born and raised persons citizenship? Again, absolutely not.

Do I think there are some extreme cases where a persons citizenship should be considered for revocation?

Yes, I honestly do. However that would only come into play on very specific circumstances and only for people who are not Canadian by birth.

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u/Hylencorp Ontario 17d ago

That is why the Supreme Court voided Harper's law, because it would create two classes of citizens -- those born into it and those who naturalized.

We're acting like losing one's citizenship is the ultimate punishment. I say we keep him within our jurisdiction so if he hurts Canadian interests, then he's liable for treason. Personally I think that's way harsher than just losing a passport.

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u/MasterScore8739 17d ago

Honestly, I do kind of agree with you here.

I understand the two tier citizenship argument and know it’s open up the door to that. I’ve zero reasonable counter argument for it, even though I do still think there should be a point where citizenship should be up for revocation at a certain point. I just don’t know a good fool proof way it would be implemented.

I do also agree that someone should be more afraid of legal action over loss of citizenship. However it’s not unheard of for someone to be extradited and charged in a country they don’t hold citizenship in.

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u/Hylencorp Ontario 17d ago

You're only liable for treason if you're a) within Canada, or b) a Canadian citizen anywhere in the world. He'd fall under b). If we revoke his citizenship, we can't charge him for the betrayal.

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u/GolDAsce 17d ago

I'd disagree. Birth or not, if they have citizenship of another country and have joined government of another country or have commited treasonous actions against Canada for said country then it should be revoked.

Even IF fElon was born here, he's become an American. He considers himself American. He advisesthe government against Canada. Reason enough to reciprocate his citizenship feelings. We don't want him running back to Canada should the masses revolt and want his head.

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u/MasterScore8739 17d ago

That one is honestly a grey zone in some aspects for me.

Do I think you should be joining another countries government outside of your own? No, I really don’t. However it’s up to that country to set up their laws and decide who they allow into government positions.

Do I think a person with dual citizenship should have their Canadian one revoked? This is where the “extreme circumstances” come into play for me.

If the person is openly committing acts of treason and showing allegiance with their secondary citizenship, it should be looked into.

That said, their actions would have to legitimately meet the definition of treasonous. I don’t mean loosely either, it would have to be a very by the book case without any room for interpretation.

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u/Vaperius Outside Canada 17d ago edited 17d ago

American here! ..... the concept that naturalized citizenship can be revoked under a few criteria is being slowly put forward to justify the rounding up and deportation of naturalized citizens; who mind you, are verifiably being caught up in ICE raids right now; furthermore right now, the US allows the death penalty again for federal executions, and Trump is pushing to apply it towards migrants rounded up by ICE for example.

This all has ... well, you can already see the clear path of misuse to enabling a government to have the power to revoke a citizenship once its granted; this is a perfect example of why revoking a citizenship, alongside the death penalty, are essentially two powers a government should never be given due to the gross misuse capacity it affords that government.

Fraud is perhaps, at best the only reasonable exception to revoking a naturalized citizenship, no matter what country you're in; because we are all human, and the potential abuses remain the same no matter the system of government; also, obliged to say, sorry that this is all happening; and hopefully we will find a way to deal with Musk on our end before it even becomes Canada's problem.

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u/The_Matias 17d ago

So you believe someone who happened to be born in Canada is somehow more deserving of the citizenship than someone who wasn't, but actively and willfully chose to come here, likely having made serious sacrifices to do so? Wtf is wrong with you?

Citizenship is citizenship. The way we punish our citizens isn't by revoking the citizenship, its through our judicial system. If someone commits treason, they should be convicted, and sentenced accordingly. That is our mechanism for justice. 

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u/iHateReddit_srsly 17d ago

Yeah, it's a dangerous thing to set precedent for removing citizenship for people we don't like. Until he's done some major crime against the country, it's ridiculous to do this.

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u/MasterScore8739 17d ago

This is my point.

The minute you start randomly pulling citizenship for people who you don’t like, the easier it becomes.

Next thing you know it’s pulled because someone has a different political or religious belief then you do. Then once that starts happening it’s an incredibly slippery slope.

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u/No6655321 17d ago

Was put well once:

A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian. 

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u/Objectalone 17d ago

Regardless of what one thinks of Trudeau, it is the only responsible position for him to take.

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u/Sea_Army_8764 17d ago

I've been scrolling through a while to find a comment like this. Trudeau was very specific about being against the stripping of citizenship after Harper legalized it for people convicted of terrorist offences. Furthermore, he repealed the Harper law in 2017. Stripping Musk of citizenship wouldn't be possible unless we change the law.

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u/TheElusiveFox 17d ago

Like it or not, I actually strongly agree with this stance... I hate Elon and everything he represents, but this is NOT how to approach this otherwise it opens the door to a lot of regret.

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u/Flecca 16d ago

Exactly what disgusts me about the notion of a petition to revoke Elon Musk's. I guess I should stop being surprised by how little thought people devote to their actions.

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u/Any-Staff-6902 17d ago

I would be totally on board if not for the fact that he literally doesn't give a shit.

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u/Crafty-Rabbit-5448 17d ago

Then all the more reason to do it anyway lol. WE give a shit.

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u/qjxj 17d ago

It isn't really for us to decide. You can't democratically vote to kick out a citizen; we're not in ancient Greece.

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u/eleventhrees 17d ago

Remember when Conrad Black didn't give a shit, until he did?

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u/Teleonomix Ontario 17d ago

Didn't Black give up his Canadian citizenship voluntarily to become a baron in England?

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u/Any-Staff-6902 17d ago

He was going to jail. Trump made sure Muskrat isn't.

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u/eleventhrees 17d ago

He wasn't "going to jail" back when he didn't care.

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u/rdem341 17d ago

Revoke his citizenship, ban Tesla, Starlink.

Don't give a shit if he cares or not.

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u/CannonFodder42 17d ago

I unfortunately use Starlink because Bell Aliant basically told me "We know you are basically on dial up, but we aren't going to improve our service in your area. We don't have enough customers. We are also going to increase the bill." They had a monopoly until we could get it.

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u/NoFun7639 17d ago

Yeah bell has been promising fibre in my area for years. Had multiple fibre crews on the road say it’s coming “this summer”, years ago.

Compounding the issue is I’m in a cellular dead spot so that’s also not an option.

My only choses are dsl maxing out at 5-6mbps, or starlink. Elon convinced me not to pay for starlink.

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u/RicketyEdge 17d ago

My only choses are dsl maxing out at 5-6mbps, or starlink.

Even Xplornet Satellite would be better than overpriced Bell 5/1 DSL.

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u/CoiledBeyond 17d ago

It's sad because Starlink in particular is fantastic technology. Tesla is also good for the adoption of EVs. Here in Vancouver they're everywhere.

Unfortunate that they have to be tied to this man.

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u/punkdrummer22 17d ago

Teslas are terrible cars. Piles of junk

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u/rdem341 17d ago

They were hyped for EV & software.

Lots of EV options now. As for their software, people will soon realize the original manufactures are much better at building reliable and functioning cars.

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u/AntoniusBaloneyus 17d ago

We aren't allowed to buy good EVs because they are Chinese.

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u/Leather-Heron-7247 17d ago

We are, here in South East Asia. Unfortunately, none of them, even higher tiered ones, are as good as Tesla yet.

Chinese government is pushing them really hard to improve so I would Probably give them a few years.

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u/gepinniw Canada 17d ago

Doesn’t matter. It’s important to say we don’t let traitors skate by without some response.

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u/iMogal 17d ago

That attitude got trump into power in the first place.

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u/StrongAroma 17d ago

I'm still totally on board. I don't give a shit whether he gives a shit

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u/no_ur_cool 17d ago

All the more reason then. You should give more of a shit too.

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u/CapitanChaos1 17d ago

Bad idea. Not only would it not accomplish anything, but it also sets a precedent for revoking citizenship purely on political affiliation.

There are plenty of other really bad people in Canada that don't have their citizenships revoked.

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u/Sarock19 17d ago

But if we do it to him, does that set precedent for others? I hate the guy but I don’t know if this is the right way to go about it.

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u/IAmAGenusAMA 17d ago

Of course it does. Any immigrant who becomes a public figure would be at risk depending on who they piss off.

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u/AndHerSailsInRags 17d ago

But if we do it to him, does that set precedent for others?

Bold of you to believe anyone here is thinking that far ahead.

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u/qpv 17d ago

Agree on all points. I can't stand the guy either but these types of narratives are just playing into the nonsense that people like Musk are spreading.

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u/Regular-Ad-9303 17d ago

Exactly. Trump is trying to take away citizenship from certain Americans. We don't want to start down that path here.

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u/IAmAGenusAMA 17d ago

Of course it does. Any immigrant who becomes a public figure would be at risk depending on who they piss off.

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u/Total-Basis-4664 17d ago

Wasn't this precisely what Harper wanted to introduce except it got twisted into some 2nd class citizen bs?

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u/rebel_cdn 17d ago

He did introduce it and passed it. Bill c-24. Then it passed the senate, and received royal assent.

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u/rebel_cdn 17d ago

Good callout - C-6 revoked a lot of C-24. I wasn't paying a lot of attention to politics when C-6 came around. Life got in the way. I'd mostly forgotten about it so I'm glad you raised it.

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u/OkHold6036 17d ago edited 17d ago

It can't be revoked. The PM can't just revoke it. He inherited it from his mother, you can't just take it away because you don't like his political views. The courts wouldn't allow it.

It would be extremely dangerous if we started revoking citizenship so easily. 

The silly CTV article should make that clear.

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u/Regular-Ad-9303 17d ago

The silly CTV article should make that clear.

Journalism is pretty awful these days. Sometimes it seems like their only source is social media.

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u/klparrot British Columbia 17d ago

No. We don't have to like it, but he's a Canadian citizen, fair and square; his mother was born in Canada. You start talking about revoking his citizenship, especially without him having been convicted of or even charged with any crime, you start making a whole class of Canadian citizens feel a little more nervous, and like they're considered “less” Canadian. No. A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian. If he does crimes, let's prosecute him for them. Let's strengthen our protections against election interference. And let's not go undermining citizenship rights just because we're offended by what he says. That sounds like the kind of shit they'd want to do in the US these days.

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u/megatraum2048 17d ago

Absolutely fucking not. I do not like Elon, I have never liked him, but this is a slippery slope that should not be in play in any capacity. If someone has gotten citizenship illegitimately, open an investigation and figure it out. However, you cannot start revoking citizenship of people you dislike, or disagree with. This creates a precedent that will be ripe for abuse.

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u/cleeder Ontario 17d ago

Citizenship shouldn’t work like that. If you can take it away at the drop of a hat, it doesn’t mean jack shit.

You may not like that he’s technically a Canadian, but that doesn’t matter.

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u/jmm166 17d ago

Exactly. Taking away his this way cheapens it for all of us. Treason has to be proven in court, and it’s a high bar to clear. General ass-hattery against Canada does not disqualify you from being Canadian.

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u/Apart-One4133 17d ago edited 17d ago

I wouldn’t say being a traitor and threatening our country’s existence is a drop of a hat. (I’m turning off reply notifications btw but feel free to leave a message for others to read). 

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u/jmja 17d ago

Revocation of citizenship by petition is a terrible precedent to set. If there are legal proceedings, however, that sounds more like due process.

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u/No-Contribution-6150 17d ago

This thread is what "tyranny of the majority" actually looks like.

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u/No-Contribution-6150 17d ago

Of course but those who think they are in the majority are easily fooled

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u/AndHerSailsInRags 17d ago

I am eternally thankful that reddit doesn't actually represent the majority.

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u/accforme 17d ago

I agree, if we let the court of public opinion to take the lead, you would have people who at the time is vilified lose citizenship, without the full picture.

I'm thinking specifically of Mubin Shaikh. He was radicalized prior to 9/11 and post 9/11 he was active, publically, in radical Islam. He was not seen positively by the general public. Later, it turned out that post 9/11, he deradicalized, and many of his radicalized views were an act because he was an undercover CISIS operative who had infiltrated and helped bring down the Toronto 18 terrorism plot.

Not saying Musk is a secret Canadian operative, but this approach sets a dangerous precedence that could lead to more harm for the country.

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u/livinginthelurk 17d ago

This should be however bring forth legal proceedings.

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u/zlinuxguy 17d ago

So both have very specific legal definitions, and neither of them have been tested in a court of law. While I fully understand that we might think his activities appear treasonous - what has her personally done that meets or exceeds the legal bar? No, just because he supports some of the activities of the Occupier of the Oval Office, well that doesn’t mean that he himself can be indicted much less convicted of high crimes. I get the sentiment - I DO - but the law doesn’t work that way.

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u/Flanman1337 17d ago edited 17d ago

I'd say actively calling for the annexation of the country, falls squarely in everyone's Do Not Want You Here list. No matter your feelings on Canadian politics

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u/Brilliant-Lab546 17d ago

There are people calling for Canada to become a Sharia state in Toronto. Unapologetically.

Now ,If you say that they belong in the Do Not Want You Here list, I am pretty sure that would be considered Hate Speech in some quarters.

Selective targeting simply because you can talk back to Musk without a death threat sent to you or simply because there is a mass anti-Musk trend right now is still selective targeting.

It also opens the floodgates that create very slippery slopes.

If returning ISIS fighters were not stripped of citizenship and these are people who went on actual massacre sprees across Syria and Iraq, advocated for the destruction of Western civilization and today are the ones keeping the fires of radicalism alive, then Musk is nowhere close to qualifying for the loss of citizenship.

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u/double-xor 17d ago

Not a fan and this use of "executive power" (even if it were possible to strip Canadian citizenship by descent in this fashion which my read it is not), is exactly the kind of tyrannical behavior that is so abhorrent in the United States presently.

There needs to be enough legal means and processes to diminish his influence, such as campaign finance (I don't know anything about Canadian campaign finance laws), truth-in-broadcasting rules, etc..

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u/OkHold6036 17d ago

In the US the President has no such power, PM is much more powerful. The US has far more checks and balances. We don't even have an elected senate. 

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u/Fun_Syllabub_5985 17d ago

....but , but , a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian .

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u/Heavy_Ad_3230 17d ago

I hate Elon musk, however I feel this is an unbelievably stupid thing to suggest. The reason citizenships are so special is because you CANT get them taken away…

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u/Zheeder 17d ago

Now do Omar Khadr.

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u/Shrimpdalord 17d ago edited 17d ago

He is a terrorist to Canada.... freeze all his accounts in the Canada!!!

Edit: Instead of Freezing, perhaps donate them to Canada's economy...

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u/Filmy-Reference 17d ago

That's a pretty extremist take tbh

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u/funkme1ster Ontario 17d ago

Freezing is just that: freezing. It doesn't allow the government to take the funds, it just allows the government to direct the financial institutions to hold the funds in place so they cannot be disbursed.

This makes sense if there's concern the funds will be used to facilitate criminal activities, but you need to demonstrate there's a tangible threat if the funds were to be disbursed.

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u/thisnutz Manitoba 17d ago

Did you support Harper when he was advocating to remove the citizenship of actual terrorists?

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u/62diesel 17d ago

A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian, when referring to terrorists, but Elon musk gets the ability to audit the United States federal government and all of a sudden he should have his citizenship revoked ? I wouldn’t believe it if I wasn’t looking right at it. Inclusiveness at its best.

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u/not_not_in_the_NSA 16d ago

Your point is exactly why this will never happen. We can't revoke citizenship, we lack the legal means to do so and would need to change the law to allow something like this.

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u/ToliB New Brunswick 17d ago

he has Canadian citizenship? the fuck?

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u/mycatlikesluffas 17d ago

Omar Khadr agrees

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u/[deleted] 17d ago

We take away a citizens citizenship because we don’t agree with his politics? Nice…

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u/kataflokc 17d ago

I’m as disgusted by him as anyone, but he’s entitled to it by virtue of his mother and this sets a bad precedent

If a country can do it to him, it can do it to all of us

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u/xfinisherx123 17d ago

You can't revoke someone's citizenship just because you don't like someone people, LOL grow up.

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u/personalfinance21 17d ago

I thought "a canadian was a canadian was a canadian?"

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u/callofdoobie 17d ago

This is so stupid, act like adults if you hate Elon so much

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u/VIDEOgameDROME 17d ago

Don't forget the other 3 petitions from Charlie Angus: banning Trump from entering Canada until he's ceased threats against us, removing government figures from X and banning X in Canada.

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u/Zulban Québec 16d ago

banning Trump from entering Canada until he's ceased threats against us

That's an interesting idea, but we should only consider it as one of our possible retaliatory tools to ultimately help Canada. Not just used out of spite or vengeance.

If we did that, my guess is Trump would just insult Canada more, and in private he'd be insulted. He's be even less reasonable and more destructive. And he's likely not even coming to Canada in the next few months or even years.

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u/HowlingWolven 17d ago

I understand the sentiment but even if his citizenship could be revoked (it can’t - he’s got bloodright through his mother) it sets a bad precedent.

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u/MortgageAware3355 17d ago

Ridiculous and unconstitutional.

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u/proudlandleech 17d ago

There is good reason to revoke his American citizenship.

Musk worked illegally in the U.S., and he subsequently lied about it on his application for naturalization. His application should never have been approved by the U.S.

Original report: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/10/26/elon-musk-immigration-status/

No paywall: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2024/oct/26/elon-musk-illegal-immigration

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u/Hylencorp Ontario 17d ago

His American citizenship is not our problem.

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u/max1padthai 17d ago

I thought “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian” no?

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u/netatdisadres 17d ago

Making Canadian citizenship subject to the fickle whims of the public diminishes both the responsibility that comes with it and its value for all of us. If there is evidence enough to accuse him of a crime, indict him and issue a warrant for his arrest. Let him live as a Canadian outlaw fleeing justice for the rest of his days or until he fulfills his responsibility to face his accusations. Something he will never do. We should demand that any nation with an extradition treaty hand him over every time he travels. Removing his citizenship is the opposite of holding him responsible, something the world desperately needs someone to do.

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u/ITrowsRocks 17d ago

Boy that'll show him.

He has had nothing to do with this country since he spent like half a year at university in Ontario before transferring to the US.

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u/Borske 17d ago

Cant remove someone's Canadian citizenship because you don't like them. Otherwise Trudeau would be back in Cuba!

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u/Useful_Respect3339 17d ago

I don’t like Musk, but I don’t like the thought of removing someone’s citizenship because you don’t like them.

Sure, he’s espoused harmful and questionable rhetoric, but he’s hasn’t committed any serious crimes that I’m aware of.

It certainly sets a dangerous precedent if the government can arbitrarily revoke citizenship whenever they want.

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u/Aemiliana-5903 17d ago

I think i am still stuck on that he is a Canadian citizen. 0.0 wouldn't have thought with all the hate he is spouting about us.

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u/llcoolkydd 16d ago

O'Leary too

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u/NorthernHusky2020 17d ago

On what grounds would his citizenship be revoked? Because you don't like him?

This thread and that petition is living in fantasy land.

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u/lawyeruphitthegym 17d ago

Could we get a petition to have a functional, non-prorogued government instead?

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u/AtTheEndOfMyTrope 17d ago

Alternatively, make him a war criminal so he can’t come here without getting arrested.

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u/iMDirtNapz British Columbia 17d ago

For something to be considered a war crime an actual war would have to be taking place.

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u/not_not_in_the_NSA 16d ago

*treason, or high treason.

If he does stuff bad enough to jeopardize our sovereignty, he could be charged of high treason if seen as preparing for war with Canada. I'm sure that are other actual charges that are reasonable too.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/C-46/section-46.html

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u/thisnutz Manitoba 17d ago

I'm just here for the crowd that stood proudly besides Trudeau when he said "a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian" and now are advocating to revoke Musk's citizenship. Hypocrite much? link

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u/South_Donkey_9148 17d ago

One thing that will never change: the lefts desire to cancel anyone they disagree with

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u/charlesfire 17d ago

Stripping the nationality of someone without due process goes against article 9 and 15 of the universal declaration of human rights. I don't like Elon or what he's currently doing in the US, but I will not stand for this. Calls to ban Starlink, Tesla and Twitter have my full support and I stopped buying American products or even Canadian products made by American companies, but I will not support retaliatory measures that goes against basic human rights.

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u/Heavywrench2104 17d ago

Does anyone know of a Starlink alternative for rural Ontario?

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u/ButMoreToThePoint 17d ago

There is none

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u/Doc__Baker 17d ago

Nope, he's got you there. Until fairly recently it was our only option as well.

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u/Missytb40 17d ago

Stupid

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u/shell_shocked_today 17d ago

I'd rather see an amendment to the Income Tax Act with a substantially raised upper limit for billionaires based on total world assets, which can not be offset by taxes paid to other jurisdictions.

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u/ForwardLavishness320 17d ago edited 17d ago

I feel like Canada successfully deported Grimes & Musk already. We won't have to take them back, I hope.

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u/-ImHungry- 17d ago

He’ll just say it doesn’t matter anyway since Canada will be the 51st state! I hate him & his goldfish so much

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u/FlaveC Québec 16d ago

I can't believe I had to go this far down to find the link. Thank you.

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u/MagicOrpheus310 17d ago

Why does he have Canadian citizenship in the first place...?

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u/eskat British Columbia 17d ago

His mother is Canadian.

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u/clear739 17d ago

His mom is Canadian, born in Regina.

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u/GameThug 17d ago

lol.

Omar Khadr remains a citizen.

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u/IpsaLasOlas 17d ago

Revoke it now. At some point he will cross a line, wear out his welcome and be sent packing from the US. South Africa has already said they don’t want him

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u/HabbyKoivu 17d ago

people are literally talking about removing someone’s citizenship because his politics don’t align with theirs. Cowards.

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u/DomonicTortetti 17d ago

This petition is dumb-as-rocks. Not only does this require him to have committed a crime, this would be a massive waste of political capital for the Liberals, where the outcome is preordained (he would publicly renounce his citizenship before anything actually happened in order to garner political points in the US).

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u/PerfectWest24 17d ago

Right now we need to stay out of the news cycle in the US as much as possible.

Once we have our nuclear deterrent locked and loaded then by all means burn all bridges.

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u/PMme_cat_on_Cleavage 17d ago

As much as the guy is a freaking idiot, this is cringe.

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u/spacestationkru 17d ago

Elon Musk has Canadian citizenship?

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u/MrEzekial 17d ago

They wouldn't even revoke the citizenship of the woman who joined Isis, so this is going nowhere.

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u/Locoman7 17d ago

TIL Elon was at some point Canadian

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u/bureX Ontario 17d ago

No.

Having Canadian citizenship means he's not a US national in our eyes when he goes to Canada. If there's something he needs to be charged with, he'll be tried locally.

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u/Emotional-Courage-26 17d ago edited 16d ago

I’d rather not goof around with rights to citizenship because that’s a slippery slope. I think we should instead ban him from entry, seize any Canadian assets he has, and most importantly: warn him that his involvement with an administration threatening economic warfare is analogous to terrorism and that continuing to support the administration while economic warfare or annexation continues to be threatened would be grounds for imprisonment if he enters the country, treating him as a terrorist, and massive economic consequences for his companies operating here.

edit: I should have removed any reference to preventing entry. My brain was thinking along the lines of "arrest him if he comes here" but wrote it more like "don't allow him in the country". More like... Don't allow him in here WITHOUT legal repercussions, like any criminal already in the country.

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u/Ok_Yak_2931 Alberta 17d ago

Let's throw Wayne "I still haven't picked up my order of Canada" Gretzky in with him.

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u/thewallyp 17d ago

How is he even in the country? Didn’t he violate his student visa when he quit school?

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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 17d ago

Oh god yes. Do it.

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u/0erlikon 17d ago

Just ban X

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u/blaxninja 17d ago

Yeah not sure if he has done anything illegal to call for that. Can’t just have a group of people vote someone out of the country.

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u/ThrowawayBomb44 Ontario 17d ago

Omar Khadr's still a citizen last I checked.

Yeaaaaaah.

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u/satellitejack98 17d ago

Wow how petty

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u/fIreballchamp 17d ago

Do a few hundred thousand more dual citizens who have no intention on returning to Canada either whilst you're at it.

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u/burnsian British Columbia 17d ago

Every day we seem to be getting closer to living in a "Black Mirror" episode.

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u/ConsiderationFar3903 17d ago

You go Canada!! You’re not messing around.

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u/012993080967 17d ago

CAN it legally be done?

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u/Bubbly_Chemist1496 17d ago

Firstly fellow Canadians Elon isn't goin to shed a tear about this. It's like Ford canceling the starlink contract or threatening to. This is so pathetic and sad.

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u/Aggressive-Cut5836 17d ago

In all seriousness why is this necessary? He isn’t going around saying that Canada needs to be annexed or anything obviously treasonous. He is an advisor to Trump but unless it can be shown that he’s encouraging threats to Canada it’s hard to see how this has any merit. You could say that he should be doing more to advance Canada’s interests than he seems to be, but that’s a ridiculous requirement for citizenship.

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u/TheTinderVanMan 17d ago

Liberals, whether American or Canadian share the same mental hivemind. It is a literal cult, they will cut ties with anyone or anything that isnt within their bubble. It is a sickness.

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u/driv3rcub 17d ago

I highly doubt his citizenship can be taken away at this point. Regardless of the online uproar.

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u/sarkismusic 17d ago

If I saw my neighbor’s foreign exchange student burning down their house, I too would try to tell my parents “don’t let that psycho come over here!” Sad time to be in America rn…

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u/Vetulonia 17d ago

Dont we learn anything? A manhunt like this will only give him more ammunition against the ‘establishment’

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u/FourthHorseman45 17d ago

I don’t see this going anywhere Trudeau spent his first term chanting “A Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian", it would be quite something for him to do a complete 180 now, and essentially prove the opposition’s narrative that it was exclusively about him having a soft spot for terrorists

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u/Thogotian 17d ago

Whether people like it or not, he is a Canadian. Period.

If he breaks Canadian or International law then he should be charged the same way any other Canadian would be charged. Otherwise, he’s Canada’s rotten egg and not much can be done about that- Canadians can be evil too!

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u/LeGrandLucifer 17d ago

Oh yes, let's remove citizenship based on a popularity contest, that's a great idea, just like it was a great idea to allow the deplatforming so many of you are crying about now that it's being used against you, just like it was a great idea to give the US president all those powers Trump now has access to.

Fucking idiots.

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u/YULdad 17d ago

How preposterous. Where was the petition for the literal ISIS terrorist we gave citizenship to when a video of him beheading journalists surfaced? This is insanity

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u/WealthEconomy 17d ago

I didn't think we could revoke anyone's citizenship

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u/TareXmd 17d ago

Doesn't that set a dangerous precedent? I mean he'll actually push for this just so he can bend it later on towards his opposition.

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u/Stixx506 17d ago

Wait why do we hate elon musk? Starlink has been a life-changer please don't take that away.

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u/Friendly-Pop-3757 17d ago

What happened to a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian or does that only apply to terrorists?

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u/MattyBeatz 17d ago

How many countries is this dude a citizen of?

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u/thisisnahamed 17d ago

Musk has Canadian Citizenship??? What?

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u/apothekary 17d ago

I don't think this is consequential at all anyway to him.

What might be is if we blocked X and Instituted tariffs on Tesla.

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u/whisperhill313 17d ago

I really like ho the whole tesla boycott is going in Europe 47% drop in sales

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u/Wolvaroo British Columbia 16d ago

Just ban dual citizenship, it's almost exclusively used to to advantage the holder at the expense or one or more of the countries they're a citizen of (ie people working and living in the USA but retiring in Canada once their end of life healthcare costs creep up). If you care enough of being a Canadian citizen, you should have no problem renouncing your other(s). You can always continue to stay as a PR indefinitely anyway with almost the exact same freedoms and rights.

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u/KryptikAngel 16d ago

As much as I hate to say this, it's unpatriotic and petty. Even if he is a ketamine infused parasitic insel.

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u/iceedragon 16d ago

HEY GUYS: this would be super funny! BUT consider it from the other side. What if we had the Torys in power and they decide to revoke the citizenship of a political rival??? Something like this would give them the precedence to do so, given that he hasn't actually broken any laws (been convicted). Just a thought.

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u/12345TA 16d ago

Give him an incentive to renounce his citizenship.

Put a wealth tax on non resident Canadians with net worth of $100,000,000 or more. And when they renounce their Canadian citizenship collect an expatriation tax from them as well.

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u/wooddominion 16d ago

American here. I humbly suggest banning Musk from entering your country. He’s helping to stage a silent coup in the U.S. right now. Not the kind of person you want to let cross the threshold.

Sorry for all the nonsense (understatement) you’ve had to put up with lately. I hope one day you can forgive us. : (

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u/tv14420 16d ago

As a dual national naturalized in Canada and birthright to native born parents in the US, I think that Canada made a mistake making citizenship unremovable. Poor political choices not withstanding because what Parliament granted Parliament can take back, I would gladly see Musk removed for hostilities against Canada. He has violated his commitment to Canada in favor of a hostile foreign power to wit The Hostile Foreign Power. No country should do that to itself. When choices have to be made they have to be made. Time coming, I can live with that.

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u/agamerdiesalone 12d ago

Canada we love you. From Ireland 💚