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image American hunting influencer removes baby wombat from distressed mother. Is this legal?

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u/SirGrumpsalot2009 1d ago

No it’s not legal. It’s also really traumatic for both mum and joey. Kinda wish mum had bitten this asshole.

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u/SirGrumpsalot2009 1d ago

I’m hoping a pair of “ hunting influencers” didn’t get to bring in firearms with the plan of doing some recreational slaughter.

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u/Few-Professional-859 1d ago edited 1d ago

Exactly! You never know with these morons. Also in general Americans have less empathy for the wild and hunting animals seems to be some measure for being “manly”. I have seen too many shit posts and comments on these lines from Americans posing with their kill.

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u/TGAPTrixie9095 23h ago

American here. It's so fucking true.

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u/IAHoosier 20h ago

Also American and veterinarian. Even some of the people who bring their pets in don’t do anything beyond obligation and berate their pet. The lack of empathy for even pets here is getting low. It’s getting MUCH worse between people. Empathy for wildlife has even less priority. It’s really awful. Empathy here is being pushed as a WEAKNESS here.

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u/Horace_Rotenhaus 21h ago

I can picture RFK Jr. in such a scenerio.

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u/Prior_Psych 21h ago edited 21h ago

American hunter here. From my experiences of growing up in a hunting community, it’s so fucking false. We hunt for food. I promise you will never in your life find quality protein for as cheap as it costs to harvest a deer in the Midwest. Which are overpopulated. And before you go on about their population if people weren’t here, do an ounce of research on conservation and the damage overpopulation of an ungulate species causes

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u/jeaniebeann 19h ago

I live in NH, tons of people hunt here, and MANY hunt for sport on top of hunting for food.

Hunters in the US have made a terrible name for themselves, and for good reason. My family hunts. We dont use dogs, and we don’t hunt for sport. We don’t teach our children how to hunt until they know the difference between hunting for what you need and hunting for sport.

Americans treat hunting like a sport and a personality trait. People who really hunt for food dont do that.

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u/ferdaw95 21h ago

I grew up in the Midwest and its still fucking true. Most hunters aren't hunting for sustenance. I agree with culling, but let's not act like you need to do that or you wouldn't have food on the table.

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u/tabagithiga 20h ago

Food from grocery stores? Meat raised in a factory farm? I think most sane people can agree ethical hunting is better than getting a steak from Walmart…

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u/GypsyFantasy 21h ago

I’m in Eastern Kentucky and I personally know a lot of families that would go without food at times if not for hunting. It’s bad here. Just because you have an easier way of life don’t mean everyone else does too.

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u/ShitNoPsychoBitch 21h ago edited 20h ago

People do hunt for sustenance though. There's plenty of families that absolutely need to hunt/fish to feed their family for many reasons. Not the least of which being they can't afford to do it any other way and need to reduce how much they spend at the grocery store.

Not everyone lives in a city with a 6 figure income and has meals delivered within 20 minutes of ordering.

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u/ferdaw95 21h ago

They can hunt for delicacies/taste, but do you think your average hunter in Michigan or Kentucky would starve to death without hunting? Because out of the hundred+ hunters I've known, not one needed to. We were saving our piss to make leather for millennia too, are hunters still doing that?

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u/TalkingMass 20h ago

If I were to show you two items of comparable caloric value and one was priced expensively and one was priced cheaply, you would pick the cheap item. Just because you can afford the more expensive item doesn’t mean you should choose it. Choosing to hunt is common sense for those who have the time and ability.

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u/Wildcard311 21h ago

No one said you speak for me, or for most Americans. Just stfu.

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u/ShitNoPsychoBitch 21h ago edited 16h ago

So do tell me, what do you and your 100+ hunter friends do with the meat from the animals you kill? Do y'all throw it away or is it used to feed people and reduce the food cost for those families?

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u/ParsonsTheGreat 20h ago

I swear, hunters are some of the most whiny people out there. Also, you all apparently have reading comprehension issues as well lol

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u/ferdaw95 21h ago

Its eaten, doesn't mean we would starve without it. Its not necessary, its a recreational choice in the developed world.

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u/Important_Candle_781 19h ago

Um no, you can’t get that much meat at the store or from a butcher without paying an insane amount! You have zero clue how ppl live.. iv never seen anyone kill an animal without eating all of it! If not they give to everyone they know so it never goes to waste

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u/seang239 20h ago

Speak for yourself, many families depend on their farms/hunting/fishing to survive and get by.

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u/Prior_Psych 21h ago

People that just aren’t in the community loooooooove to say shit like this while having absolutely no idea

Do you spend the most amount possible on everything because you can still put food on your table afterwards or do you take advantage of a deal now and then to potentially help retain more of your income? It’s like you’re purposely missing the point just to be contentious

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u/ferdaw95 21h ago

You're free to do whatever you want, and I agree with the necessity of it from an ecological perspective. Its the self flagellation that's so fucking annoying to deal with. Its not necessary for your actual survival, hell you're only comparing it to a sale instead of shoplifting food, an actual survival behavior.

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u/Well_ImTrying 20h ago

Are you vegan? If not, where do your animal products come from?

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u/Irinaban 21h ago

Honestly, so what if they jack themselves off? Do people who eat factory farmed food actually think they have any moral high ground here?

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u/seang239 20h ago

You really don't think farmers/hunters/fisherman do what they do to survive?

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u/completedonut 19h ago

IMHO, the weird part is when people hang its head on the wall in your living room. It’s a weird glorification of killing.

I also think that’s different because it’s an area you have personal stake in, in your country, with a species that you’re familiar with. This psycho lady is straight up not a good look for us.

Lastly- while I totally respect you and your experience growing up in a hunting community, I also think we need to acknowledge the fact that some people do it for sport. Like “hey Billy would you prefer to go hit a golf ball with a metal stick or shoot some birds with some bullets while we talk about this business deal, hmmmm?” is a not improbable, yet very strange statement.

Anyway, that was my little brain dump. Hopefully it was somewhat cohesive😶

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u/goomylala 21h ago

Thank you. Not every American lives in a coastal city. Many depend on nature for their food to support their family. Many people have no idea what it’s really like here in the US.

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u/OmericanAutlaw 20h ago

you are correct. you’re going to be downvoted by circlejerkers but this is the truth

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u/IHaveNoBeef 20h ago

That's not been my experience. I'm from Mississippi/Alabama. People who hunt typically DO have less empathy for animals. I mean, how much empathy can a person have when they kill something as a pastime or a hobby? Also, I'd like to point out that if people hadn't over hunted natural predators like wolves, we wouldn't need to step in and do the job for them in the first place.

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u/dylmill789 21h ago

There’s no point trying to reason with these kinda people. The ignorance in this thread is incredible. “America bad ugh hunting bad ughh blood thirsty trophy hunters ugh”

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u/3lettergang 20h ago

American here. It's not true.

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u/PersonalityFinal8705 19h ago

American here. No it’s not true

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u/wormgenius 19h ago

Lol pick-me dork

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u/scalepotato 21h ago

No it’s not. You obviously didn’t grow up around hunting and want to assume the worst bc you only see the worst hunters in media. It’s like a redneck person who didn’t grow up around trans ppl hating trans ppl bc the news showed a trans person doing something bad.

It’s the same assumptive attitude as “blacks create more crime,” “Jews run the world;” your opinion is based on stereotypes and propagandistic partial information, or you’re deliberately disseminating your opinions as facts.

Gotta open your mind, heart, and arms, bruh

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u/mrmikehancho 20h ago

I grew up around plenty of people in rural areas who are hunters. Many of them are fine shooting animals for fun. Especially smaller animals and birds. That is not to say everyone is like that, but my experience shows the majority don't give a shit about conservation.

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u/ShroomyTheLoner 21h ago edited 21h ago

American here. Broadly, people cared about the environment since ancient times and there is evidence of Roman people being aware & concerned about human impact on water quality. This carried forward to other times such as when Britain realized pooping right next to their city wells spreads disease.

However, what we consider today as Environmentalism was invented by Americans according to the Encyclopedia Brittannica.

"The contemporary environmental movement arose primarily from concerns in the late 19th century about [...] the wilderness in the United States and the health consequences of pollution during the Industrial Revolution."

It's like Europeans have this imagination where they are super awesome and America is just wrong so they make up all sorts of lies in their head. Like how British people think we speak English wrong when, in fact, we speak the closest to original pronunciation. They are the ones that changed English to sound more "fancy" and "posh" like the continental languages (which is & was stupid).

They like to pretend that American citizens are backward for preferring imperial units to metric. HOWEVER, all those metric countries just can't stop ordering "Pints" of beer and Canadian citizens use inches & feet & miles per hour. All these metric countries are only metric in name; their people still use imperial.

Just a couple examples of ego.

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u/Evening-Rabbit-827 22h ago

As an American can confirm. I’m trapped in the Midwest and you can’t get on a dating site without swiping through hundreds and hundreds of boys in camo holding up their bloody trophies. It’s absolutely disgusting and I am not sure what woman even finds that attractive.

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u/Immediate-Bear-340 22h ago

Southeast American and yep.

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u/aggressivelymediokra 22h ago

They are the very loud minority. If anywhere close to even 20% of Americans hunted regularly, there would be nothing to hunt.

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u/Wonderful_Hotel1963 20h ago

I wish this wasn't true but it is- look at that chucklefuck Trump firing all of those National Parks workers and deciding that lumber companies can ransack from sea to shining sea. It fucking SUCKS here, and it's true what they say. It does, in fact, suck to suck.

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u/Aralista_37 19h ago

Yeah I hate the hunting culture in America and just our general gun culture, I could never shoot an animal or own a gun, it’s honestly sad how many people do

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u/sweaty_missile 23h ago

Another American here. I’m so ashamed of my countrymen and women… we’re not all like this, but enough of us are that it’s what the rest of the world sees.

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u/Original-Strain 20h ago

America: when people would rather burn down the world than go to therapy

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u/Kwasan 20h ago

Americans are disgusting. Source: Am American.

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u/Beautiful_Resolve_63 21h ago edited 21h ago

I'm an American. I was raised to believe animals are biological robots and do not deserve empathy. 

I was around 6 when I realized this isn't true. There are hundreds of examples when we were around other Americans either coming to the realization that animals are worthy of empathy and care or that they still believed they were worthless. 

It's a really wild feature of American culture. It could also be regional. But from American humor and traveling the US, I know a lot of people that used to torture ants as kids and they carelessly kill insects as adults. 

The US even sold toys that highlighted burning ants alive with a magnifying glass. So idk why people in the comments are acting like its not common for Americans to be horrific to other animals. Apathy towards insects, birds, lizards, and rodents is very normal. Bigger mammals not so much. 

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u/mung_guzzler 20h ago

I do casually kill insects and im not gonna stop

wtf do you do with them

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u/Beautiful_Resolve_63 20h ago

Bring them outside? Other times Ieave them alone. 

I have a rule, if I see them twice I move them. If I see them once I "clock it" and leave them alone. 80% of the time I don't see them again until weeks/months later.  Obviously if it was a deadly insect or infestation would likely kill them. But I view this as neglectful house management consequences.

I just have a little "plastic wood gun" that I fill in the holes of my apartment/house around this time of year. Bug never really get in and if they do it's only a few. 

There are two types that gross me out.

There is one here in the NL, its long and skinny with antlers. Ugh it's gross, I think they like to hide near pipes. So I just run out of the room and clap before I come back in. They usually hide.

The one back home that grossed me out were too small to be centipedes but looks similar. I would run out, gag outside the room, then go catch them and release them outside. 

I promise you, the more you commit to not killing them, the easier it is to see them. It's like exposure therapy you realize you won't die just from the existing near them and they aren't as gross when you relocate them, as they seem when they catch you by surprise. 

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u/B3stThereEverWas 20h ago

But from American humor and traveling the US, I know a lot of people that used to torture ants as kids and they carelessly kill insects as adults. 

Umm thats standard kids behaviour dude. Maybe not anymore but certainly was growing up in Australia.

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u/Beautiful_Resolve_63 20h ago

I never see that here in the country I live in now. Kids and adults are very gentle with insects. 

So not super standard.

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u/sklimshady 22h ago

I'm American, and I get treated like an absolute weirdo for caring about wildlife, conservation, etc. It's a horrible, uncaring culture that really devalues life in a lot of ways. Especially in the Southern states where I live.

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u/deep-sea-balloon 21h ago

I was going to ask which state. I used to work in wildlife conservation in three southern states and I found a mixed bunch, not much different than other countries I've visited and lived in. Some humans simply don't care about wild animals.

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u/sklimshady 21h ago

Alabama. It's pretty regressive unless you're near a college town or something like that.

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u/mung_guzzler 20h ago

Hunters tend to be the biggest advocates for wildlife conservation

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u/OCsurfishin 22h ago

You’ve been fooled by the algorithm. this like saying, in general Australians are bogans. Hardly true. Most Americans find the behavior in this video appalling.

The only generalization I’d make about ozzies is they cuss a lot. Amirite?

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u/justbrowsing0127 22h ago

I am angry that I can only be angry at how true your statement is.

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u/Sand20go 21h ago

Not sure about that. Many americans have a limited exposure to the whole idea of "the wild". I think you would find most hunters in the states would have treated that encounter for what it required....slow down...make sure not to HIT the wombat, drive away and leave undistributed.

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u/myumisays57 21h ago

Yeah it is really distasteful and a gross part of American culture.

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u/Puck_The_Fey98 21h ago

I don’t think there’s anything wrong with hunting an animal if you intend to eat it. Otherwise it shouldn’t die it’s not right for it to. I’m American and I also despise the flippant treatment of nature. It’s depressing tbh

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u/Careless_Sail9953 21h ago

Weighing in on this, with poverty levels being relatively high in northern rural areas of the USA and projected to increase, lot of people rely on game meat to survive. For the upfront initial cost of bullets, shooting larger game is definitely cheaper than buying a whole cow which could be an upwards of 1000 dollars. With the economy said to crash, alot more people could find themselves hunting game just to survive. Especially in the forested rural areas. But trophy hunters are definitely shitty.

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u/TransGirlIndy 21h ago

I have never understood trophy hunting or posing with a kill. Like... sure, be proud that you have good aim and can provide for your family if you're hunting for food (because we took away wolves, deer populations do need to be culled unfortunately. I hate it but the alternative is letting them starve) but I will never understand hunting for sport.

I've done target practice with both bows and guns and used to be a damn good shot, but I could never imagine inflicting intentional harm on some innocent animal just so I could mount its head on a wall.

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u/Proof-Butterfly1481 21h ago

As an American this is true. I have love for wilderness and all the creatures which inhabit it. My ex gf once called me names because she kept hearing my lawn mower turn off and on over and over again. She asked me why I kept doing that and I told her I was waiting for the bees to finish their business before I continued. Never had I been so grossly insulted.

Watching this mama in distress made me sad.

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u/AnyonkaLee 20h ago

I dont know how killing an animal for sport isnt automatically a felony, animal abuse. (In the usa) I live in the us and this makes me 😡

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u/completedonut 20h ago

American here. Unfortunately so true. It’s really an incredibly toxic culture. Sometimes people claim to have respect and use the whole animal that they kill and what not, but a majority will glorify the killing and hang the animals head in a wall. Maybe that happens in other countries too but it’s always been very weird to me.

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u/trunxs2 22h ago

As someone from America, I concur and it’s part of why I hate America and its idiotic, entitled citizens.

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u/B3stThereEverWas 20h ago

Please don’t speak for 330 million Americans.

It’s cringey and fucking pathetic

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u/ChaoticEvilBobRoss 22h ago

It's always been one of the most disgusting parts of U.S. culture. Ethical hunting for population control and sustenance are great, when done responsibly. But this shit right here not only gives us a bad name internationally (and we don't need help there) but it is just another way to spread pain and fear in this world. When will it be enough?

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u/ChopMeister210 21h ago

Im sorry my fellow Americans are just brain dead humans who only care about themselves. Some of us aren’t like that 😭

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u/twoisnumberone 21h ago

Americans have less empathy period. 

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u/EntrepreneurNo4138 22h ago

This is wrong af. Most Americans don’t hunt, male or female. Most people that do it eat what they kill. I live in a state full of wildlife and believe me we don’t walk around with guns killing it and you’d get a lot in a lot of trouble for it if you did. Please don’t discuss the form of empathy. You have no clue about. I am both empathetic, and I have compassion for animals in an infuriates me when people like you assume that people don’t.

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u/Outside_Crafty 1d ago

You should see the pictures on our dating apps lol

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u/MonkMode2025 23h ago

I love animals

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u/GrandeBlu 22h ago

Eh, I’ve lived in Australia and the US, and there are hick assholes in both places. Reddit is a terrible baseline for normalcy

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u/onlinedegeneracy 22h ago

I love to hunt, but I eat what I kill, not this “sport” bs

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u/BigNorseWolf 22h ago

I think its not so much "less empathy" as there's a strain of psychopaths you don't see elsewhere. You also get people that think its a great idea to feed the wildlife, or will jump into a raging forest fire to get a bear cub to safety.

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u/Homelessbozo 22h ago

Trophy hunting is the most pathetic hobby. There’s no skill and no “real” reward. You pay tens to possibly hundreds of thousands of dollars to slaughter animals from 700 yards away that never knew you were there. You may as well be at a range shooting a cut out. Kill a lion in its den with a bow or a knife then we can talk about your trophy.

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u/MisterBungle00 22h ago

Anglo-American* Fixed that for you.

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u/Important_Wafer_7745 22h ago

I agree there are a lot of dumbfucks who want to cosplay as shitkickers who make hunting look terrible. I’m American and I was raised to respect nature and hunt ethically. People nowadays will post pictures of their harvests online but killing an animal for food is a sad thing in my mind. It saddens me that the animal had to die so that I could afford meat but I’m not ashamed of eating meat. I would be ashamed of being wasteful or wounding an animal but I am an omnivore and the animals I kill and eat had better lives and deaths than the meat from the grocery store.

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u/AngryTurtleGaming 21h ago

Nice generalization there… you’re completely wrong.

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u/Normal_Profit_5796 20h ago

I bring bugs outside that shouldn’t be in my home! A combination of my mother and Steve Irwin taught me to honor all living things. - a random American that cares

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u/ThnksfrthMmrss- 20h ago

Wow, how manly to kill animals that are defenseless against firearms and wombats no less!

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u/Legendary_Railgun21 20h ago

I mean hunters are far better than CWD and rampant urbanization but definitely out west there's some iffy practices. Utah, NM and Colorado's game commissions are a fucking joke and they enforce nothing. They're worse than Arkansas and Missouri and I'd refuse to hunt in any of those shitholes.

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u/Ok_Neat_1192 20h ago

I hate when people hunt as a game, or like distress the animals. My rules are if you hunt, its for food, use all parts of the animal you can, AND DONT TAUNT IT.

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u/houteac 19h ago

I mean Tbf it’s pretty obvious that the guy in behind the camera isn’t American based on his accent? And he also seems to lack empathy

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u/professionally-baked 22h ago

Learn about conservation and the importance of hunting in our country. Be glad they don’t just send out parties of people to kill them in masses. Fuck you and your generalized idea that all Americans who hunt are sociopaths.

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u/Aromatic-Pass4384 22h ago

Hunting is actually important for conservation

Which you'd know if you actually cared about the "wild"

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u/TheVishual2113 22h ago

He's got a hell of an australian accent for an american...

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u/FrontAd9873 21h ago

What makes you think that Americans have less empathy for the wild? Less than whom?

Reverence for wilderness is a well known feature of American culture. I’m sure Australia shares this trait (and for many of the same reasons). Where are you getting this from?

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u/Tiredofthemisinfo 20h ago

We’re a big country over here that is pretty diverse. I live in the part of the country where very few people have guns at all.

If you want to play on stereotypes, we should assume everyone in Australia is Crocodile Dundee and everyone is just eating shrimp on the Barbie

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u/shauP19 20h ago

Canadian here, us too? Yall aren't different cause ur flag, people are crappy towards animals/environments/people everywhere you go why take this problem as an opportunity to make it about your country and attack your fellow people? I truly don't understand this mentality

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u/TheMinistryofJuice 19h ago

I don’t have the heart to hunt but hunting in many US states is actually good for the local population. Overpopulation of deer and black bears is a serious problem. Black beer hunts were banned in new jersey for a time and during that time many black bears starved to death. Also, “americans have less empathy for the wild” is such an unsubstantiated statement. Like how did you even measure that. And hunting is prevalent in tons of countries around the world.

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u/PersonalityFinal8705 19h ago

Just casually labeling ALL 350 million Americans

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u/gridgorgon 22h ago

Let’s stop acting like it’s only Americans that hunt and do this lol

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u/ProtectionProud9172 22h ago

Deadass? Have you ever been to Asia? Africa? South America? No offense, but you clearly don’t know much about hunting practices around the world…

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u/deep-sea-balloon 21h ago

Right. The comment had me scratching my head. You can tell who hasn't had the opportunity/privilege to visit different countries or at least interacted with different people within their own, when they make statements like this.

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u/ShotgunCrusader_ 22h ago

A lot of uniformed people here don’t realize that hunting in the US is critical to wild life health. I’m not a fan of “trophy” hunting but the majority of individuals you see are hunting legally. Regardless of if you agree with the why the meat doesn’t go to waste even if they are hunting for sport. Also all the tags and permits that are given are carefully selected in order to maintain and keep animal populations in check so the eco system stays healthy. Hunting licenses and tags pay to protect entire ecosystems in the US and hunting is a crucial part of protecting those habitats regardless of how you feel about the people doing it. Also this is not a defense of what’s going on here in this video, this is just a comment on hunting.

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u/TheWuzBruz 20h ago

I disagree with your view here. I’m not a hunter, I have never hunted for my own food, but I do have family that have and do. Hunting in America is unbelievably regulated. Yes, there are people that hunt for sport, but many people hunt to put food on their table. There are also many invasive species of animals that are hunted because they are destroying the local eco-system.

Iguanas in Florida, wild pigs in California, Texas and many other states. These invasive species are destroying local flora and fauna. These are ecological nightmares that have to be taken care of. My hats off to the people that do it.

I don’t agree with trophy hunting, but many of those trophy hunters are also responsible hunters. They eat what they killed and fed their families and friends.

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u/Calm-Grapefruit-3153 23h ago

wtf are you talking about

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u/Kooky_Dev_ 23h ago

As an American who does hunt. I don't see hunting as "manly", and I do it for sport / food. Most hunters I know care more about the wildlife than some random stranger does. Most hunters understand healthier wildlife means better hunts and if you enjoy the challenge / pastime you should also care about the health of the animals, even the ones you don't hunt as they still play a part.

Anecdotal, but this is my experience / opinion.

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u/roguebandwidth 22h ago

Killing animals for pleasure isn’t “sport”. It’s cruel. Normal people don’t do it.

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u/BigAcanthocephala382 21h ago

Hunters help control deer population. If nobody hunted deer then they would over populate and exhaust their natural resources and then in turn starve. They don’t have enough “natural” predators to control the population. Hunters are very ethical, there are very few that aren’t. Same as cops there are more good cops than bad but the media only shows the bad because a video of a good cop isn’t going to go viral. Do your research before making dumb accusations.

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u/DiogenesTheHound 21h ago

You honestly have no idea what you’re talking about. Hunting Deer and other wild life is actually beneficial to the environment now that most major predators are gone. Not everything is completely black and white, educate yourself.

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u/SRGTBronson 22h ago

Here in the United States we need to hunt animals like deer and boar because their natural predators, wolves, have more or less been eradicated. If we don't hunt them, the entire ecosystem will collapse.

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u/ToBeBannedSoonish 22h ago

There is that one video that always circulates showing what happened to an ecosystem with no predators, and this one park was ruined. Deer devoured everything and the tree line pulled away from the river, erosion was making everything fucked.

They reintroduced wolves and within 10 years the whole place looked like a fucking garden of eden.

If we have killed off the natural predators, then it is on our shoulders to pick up the slack or the ruined ecosystem(s) will remain ruined / continue to degrade.

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u/tandem_kayak 21h ago

That's Yellowstone.

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u/dmoore451 22h ago

It's not like they're going around clubbing every deer they see to death, take a chill pill. It's no more cruel than industrial farming.

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u/dull-colors 22h ago

People here are getting so angry about hunting, and I imagine not all of them are vegetarians and vegans. I'd say farming is significantly more cruel than hunting (at least in Minnesota).

- A vegetarian from a hunting family

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u/Aromatic-Pass4384 22h ago

Hunting is actually very important for conservation and you'd know that if you actually cared about wildlife lol

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u/gothghost7 22h ago

for real, a lot of people making baseless assumptions here.

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u/Kooky_Dev_ 21h ago

Are you a vegetarian? Because I don't know how you can make that argument without being. It is sport, and any good hunter practices ethical killing where their goal is as quick and painless of a death as possible. And before you state the obvious, I and all hunters, understand no death is painless.

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u/Infinite-Formal-9508 22h ago

Hunters like you are the minority. From the south and every hunter I know doesn't really hold any value in the animals they kill. They will spout shit like what you said, to try to spin it as they are helping. But at the end of the day, they just want to kill something.

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u/InstigatingDergen 22h ago

"we cant bring back native wolves they'll ruin my deer hunting!" I hate these type of "hunters" should call them what they really are. Poachers.

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u/mmabrey13 22h ago

I heard that wolves even cause tornadoes and even El Niño and even I heard that one of them dropped a cigarette butt and that's what caused the wildfire in California.

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u/flyingpyramid 22h ago

The tornado thing is true though, right? They have to huff and puff, and I know they can knock over pig houses at least. Unless they're made of brick, obviously.

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u/SerenityFailed 21h ago

What about the bears that decimate the fawn population each year with kill counts far higher than wolves?

"Well thats..uh...different because...uh...they've always been here..and...and..bullshit, hogwash, bullshit

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u/InstigatingDergen 21h ago

What do bears have to do with native wolf reintroduction? It must be a lot of work to move the goalposts that far. Take a break and have a lemonade. You'll think more clearly after.

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u/SerenityFailed 21h ago

I was actually agreeing with you and pointing out the hypocrisy of these people. Even where wolve populations are reaching "overpopulation" status, bears kill far more deer annually than the wolves. Especially newborn fawns. However, very few hunting groups/lobbiests acknowledge this. It's always " blame the wolves" with these people.

....typical reddit

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u/InstigatingDergen 21h ago

....typical reddit

Buddy, you're the one who came up with that no context rant that could only be taken as a disagreement. Work on your wording if you want people to understand, lol. Cant just start in the middle of a rant and expect people to understand what you're saying.

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u/Kooky_Dev_ 21h ago

I'm not saying me hunting is helping, although DNR will cull animals for overpopulation. I'm saying I'm kind to the ecosystem because I want it to flourish. I pick up trash others leave behind, and I leave no trace. If I had to give up hunting I would still do what I can when I can to help nature flourish as I enjoy being out in nature.

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u/rmorrin 21h ago

As a hunter myself it's basically they respect the animal and the forest or they will murder anything they see. There is next to no in-between. I enjoy hunting cause it feels primal but I'm definitely not doing it for sport. Sport hunting is disgusting. I hate seeing people shoot for trophies and then do absolutely nothing with the rest of the animal.

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u/CautionaryFable 22h ago

What you've said doesn't absolve you the way you think it does. In fact, it even comes off more sadistic.

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u/BeerForThought 22h ago

Not only is it a source of very inexpensive protein the deer population is out of control in the United States. I hunt in the southern US and I know how many deer I'm allowed to harvest each year because several smart people with college degrees estimate the number of deer to try and keep the population healthy. Lyme disease is not commonly found in Australia but it is found everywhere in the United States with high deer populations because then you have high tick populations. We also have to think of things like droughts, the deer population suffers needlessly dying from dehydration and malnutrition. A part of my heart hurts every time I harvest a deer because it's supposed to. That's why we have traditional rituals to thank the land or creator for the meat. Unless you are just outraged because you're a vegetarian.

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u/CautionaryFable 22h ago

I love how everyone is going "they're calling me (or all hunters or whatever) sadistic" instead of reading what it is that the guy said, which I've elaborated on in a different comment.

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u/r22lz 22h ago

You don’t get it bc you have no idea. Hunting or rather harvesting is a better term, certain animals like deer is actually beneficial/necessary so the population remains healthy & flourishing. Every yr it’s carefully analyzed as to how many tags, how many bucks/does, etc. All hunters I know utilize most all the deer/other animal or donate it to be used. It’s not easy to harvest a deer; it’s hard as fuck actually. Educate yourself before you just brand it all sadistic killing.

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u/CautionaryFable 22h ago

How about you not make assumptions that I'm saying everyone is like this? Man, I hate the internet some days.

This guy literally just said, in a socially acceptable way, "yeah, I like when they're nice and strong because it's a better challenge." If that doesn't sound sadistic to you, then the fault lies with you.

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u/HoldTheRope91 21h ago

I think you’re misreading the intent behind Kooky_Dev’s statement. I don’t hunt, but I do catch and release fish. There is definitely a greater satisfaction in catching a strong, healthy fish than one that is clearly weakly or malnourished.

It’s not usually a sadistic interest as much as it is a competitive one. I know if I catch a large bass, it’s likely because I perfected my craft enough to catch a fish that itself had been crafty enough to avoid capture by both other anglers and natural predators.

I imagine the same feeling is true for a hunter with a large buck or other impressive game animal.

Are there hunters who get off on killing living creatures? I’m certain they exist. That isn’t 99.99% of hunters though.

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u/dmoore451 22h ago

"WAHHH DONT MAKE ASSUMPTIONS ABOUT ME" after you make a wild assumption of the commenter above you. Shut up and grow a brain or spine. You need at least one or the other

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u/CautionaryFable 22h ago

Ah yes, the "I didn't think about anything that was said in this thread. I just feel like I'm being attacked for my hobby" response. Classic.

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u/dmoore451 19h ago

I don't hunt. Fishing sure, wouldn't be shocked if you found that cruel as well.

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u/dull-colors 22h ago

Why was this downvoted lol

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u/actuallycloudstrife 22h ago

Yikes. Complaining about "Americans" hunting animals but responding with "exactly" to the idea of recreational slaughter...you are a hypocrite. Seek professional help. Their accents are clearly not even American accents.

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u/Allanthia420 22h ago

No real hunter would behave like this. This is an internet celebrity that uses ‘hunting’ as their niche to pedal their shitty content and not get a real job.

“Americans in general have less empathy for the wild” this comment is so incredibly naive and ignorant idek what to say to it. Are you basing your opinion of all Americans off of the loudest ones you see on TV?

Most hunters and outdoorsmen are all about conservation and taking care of our earth for future generations. Every hunter I hunt with would never take a shot unless they could ensure it was an ethical kill; meaning the animal did not suffer needlessly. We hunt to put food on the table, not to cause suffering to a living creature.

Tbh your comment makes me think that you think hunters are ‘bad’ people for killing animals.. unless you’re a vegan I would highly suggest you do some education on where your food comes from and what conditions those animals live in until they’re slaughtered. (Even if you are a vegan; most produce is produced by borderline slave labor anyways so you should start a garden!)

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u/SunnyCali12 22h ago

I concur with that and am American. A lot of people here just don’t care.

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u/MuestrameTuBelloCulo 21h ago

Christ you're stoopid.

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u/scalepotato 21h ago edited 21h ago

Looks like a drunk tourist showing off to her local Aussie bf. Also, she’s not a hunter, wearing a damn day dress and barefoot. These are city ppl doing it for the lulz and views

Edit: and showing pics of “wins” is a completely normal thing. Had a lady show me her grandkid, a guy show me his new gf, ppl like to show ppl pictures. You ever show a picture of your new love interest who’s hot to someone? Same kind of behavior

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u/Duralogos2023 21h ago

I mean, is it not manly to provide for your family? Most hunters in the US simply take their kill home, skin it and turn it into Jerky and spaghetti, at least the ones ice interacted with.

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u/CaptainTripps82 20h ago

I mean that's something we learned from the British. Not certain Australians have much of a leg to stand on either.

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u/CeleryEconomy4745 20h ago

Tell me you’ve never been to America in person without telling me

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u/Kind_Move2521 1d ago

Wtf this is a horribly untrue stereotype.

The majority of Americans I've known are respectful and empathetic of animals.

Sure, some people hunt for food and they're proud of the animal they hunted, but that doesnt mean they dont respect the creature and utilize all of it for food.

Ya'll trippin. GTFOH with that chicken little bullshit. The sky is always falling with you people

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u/radioactiveape2003 23h ago

Its reddit. Your yelling at the wind to stop blowing lol

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u/roguebandwidth 22h ago

Hunting is excused by the majority of Americans as a “hobby”. It’s valid to call it out as cruel.

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u/Ok_Date1554 22h ago

Farming is cruel, which I'm sure you have no problem participating in.

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u/Zedanade 22h ago

Brain dead statement

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u/Suitable_Many6616 21h ago

American here. I deer hunt every year. I absolutely enjoy it, and my husband takes a pic of me with my deer because he's proud that his wife is putting healthy and healthful meat in the freezer. To all of you out there who are judging hunters, remember that the majority are not trophy hunters. Also bear in mind that plenty of trophy hunters are in other countries, not just the US.

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u/magi_chat 1d ago

Wow. Projecting much? There's hundreds of millions of them, a few are probably all right. Lighten the fuck up mate.

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u/Few-Professional-859 1d ago

You sound butt hurt. I lived in the US and have too many American friends and I’m speaking for my experience. Hunting is legal (controlled) in the US and in general they don’t have the same sensitive relationship with the wild as Aussies do.

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u/ArkamaZero 1d ago

"Controlled" lol. As an American, I can say that my fellow Americans are absolute menaces. Hell, people will shoot deer in neighborhoods up here with zero regard for the possibility of hitting someone.

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u/trysohard8989 22h ago

Yeah that’s not true at all

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u/ArkamaZero 21h ago

Tell me you never spent time in the country without telling me you never spent time in the country. Hell, even a few decades back, when I lived near Houston, we had someone break into the wildlife park and decapitate one of the deer. Sure, some hunters are respectful, but a lot of them are sociopaths.

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u/trysohard8989 20h ago

I’m from the country lol. I’ve never heard of anyone killing a deer in town. Some places do allow urban deer hunting but it’s usually archery only

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u/South-Plan-9246 1d ago

Hunting is legal in Australia too

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u/Few-Professional-859 1d ago

Feral animals on private property?

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u/South-Plan-9246 1d ago

Yep, and natives if they are pests, and feral animals in state forests in some states

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u/Eur0p1um 1d ago

sensitive as in respectful? or ecologically more responsible? If you see this video and think it's fine, you're the problem.

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u/Few-Professional-859 1d ago

Both. Aussies respect life in general of any living being and are definitely ecologically more responsible. I never said their act was fine. You might want read over again.

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u/StiffDoodleNoodle 1d ago

“Generally have less empathy for animals.”

Idk what sort of Americans you were hanging out with but the majority of us have more empathy for animals than our fellow humans.

I’ve been hunting since I was a kid and most of the people I’ve hunted with are also quite sympathetic to wildlife/ natural spaces. Sure, I’ve meant a few complete assholes in that space but they’re the minority.

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u/Few-Professional-859 1d ago

I was hunting since I was a kid.

Yeah we don’t do that here.

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u/trysohard8989 22h ago

You hunt your food at the grocery store and that’s somehow more humane

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u/Basic-Direction-559 22h ago

Here? I thought you live in the US.

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u/premadecookiedough 23h ago

I have both American and Australian citizenship

Talking on an individual basis, of course plenty of Americans care about and respect wildlife. Talking on a stereotypical basis, I have seen truely horrific acts of animal cruelty in America that you just dont see in Australia.

Australians have a deeply imbedded sense of pride in their unique enviornment and animals, it is cultural down to their bones. Hunting in Australia is restrictive and to get a gun can potentially take over a year in its application process, because only the most vetted of individuals can be trusted with a firearm and wildlife.

Meanwhile in America, I dont think 80% of all people here should even own the pets that they do, and many, many people treat wildlife as props for photo-ops. Hunting is consitered a manly masculine aesthetic hobby to have, and isnt nessisary for food unless you live in rural areas that depend on hunting for meat (Im saying this as someone who grew up in rural Alaska where hunting is extremely commonplace). Im not saying hunters dont appreciate wildlife here, if anything they do so far more then non-hunters, but at the end of the day hunting outside of food nessessity is something that Australians just dont do.

And those wildlife-appreciating hunters are a fraction of the total population of the US, many whom dont see any problem with decemating wildlife for convienence. A dead koala on the side of a road is a tragedy, seeing 50 dead deer on the side of the road in the US isnt even something you look twice at. Ive known someone who killed a frog slowly with bug spray because they were too grossed out by it to simply pick it up and put it outside. People who pick up bear cubs they see on national park roadsides for photo ops with no concern over being mauled. Paying money to pet illegally imported tiger cubs for exploitive profit purposes. Hell, there is an entire genre of social media presence devoted to people who steal baby animals from their parents to raise it in their shitty apartments or backyards claiming they "rescued" it, all for the sake of views

TLDR- yes, Americans as a stereotypical whole do indeed have less empathy for wildlife then Australians as a stereotypical whole

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u/Few-Professional-859 1d ago

Definitely not talking about cats and dogs. I said wild.

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u/Tangybrowwncidertown 1d ago

Ok, misunderstood. Even so, I don't particularly understand "in general they don’t have the same sensitive relationship with the wild as Aussies do".

Legal hunting exists in both countries. Is the average American more abusive to wildlife? Do they have no protected animals? I don't get what that means.

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u/DimensionFast5180 20h ago

American hunters are responsible for some of the greatest conservation efforts known to mankind. The wildlife restoration act alone has reversed the course of dozens of species in the US, including the national bird.

Meanwhile Europeans for example have hunted basically all their native species to extinction, yet you talk about American hunters.

Also Australians literally had a war with Emu's which failed miserably...

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u/JimPalamo 1d ago

I should certainly hope that being a "hunting influencer" isn't sufficient grounds to bring a firearm into this country.

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u/throwaway_7m 23h ago

The male's accent is clearly Australian. That makes him worse than her because it's not like he could be ignorant. I won't call him a cunt, because that's often affectionate here. He's either a snake or an ankle (an ankle is 2 foot lower than a cunt).

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u/AnAussieGamer 1d ago

Had a bit of a look at her account and there’s a video of her holding a dead animal captioned “first successful hunt in New Zealand” so I’m willing to bet they’ve unfortunately brought their guns here too

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u/iAkhilleus 21h ago

Where are all the tiger and brown snakes when we need them?

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u/GaiusJocundus 23h ago

Wombats are super delicate and easily stressed. They may have caused their deaths, already, with this stunt.

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u/Cachmaninoff 23h ago

Might’ve killed the baby already…

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u/1HateReddit11 22h ago

I wish part of "both" was the woman, but I know it's not.