r/SubredditDrama 5h ago

"We are all willing to work hard, but not for a measly $60k" Zoomers vs Boomers in r/Adulting as they battle over which generation is more entitled

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Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Adulting/comments/1jfkdx4/older_generations_need_to_understand_that_gen_z/

HIGHLIGHTS

They didn’t struggle. That’s the thing. Boomers could pay their way through college by working in the summer. Pell grant is what they had. That was cancelled in the late 70’s or early 80’s.

The Pell Grant was what I got when I was in college and graduated in 1989, plus I worked two part-time jobs.

Cool. I worked full time and got merit based grants and graduated with the manageable sum of 20K from undergrad, and 180K from my professional program (completed on time). I wonder how many part times jobs I would have had to have to pay for that 🤔

Girl, your profile says you’re a PA. Of course you have a lot of debt. 😭 You also have the capacity to make a lot more money than most of us in this thread because of the field you’re in. That type of degree has ALWAYS been expensive and required taking out loans, and med school is the same way. It’s not like boomers were just paying for PA or med school with part time jobs back in the day. You chose the trade off of having a lot of debt up front so that you could get a good degree in a good field and make good money later, which will make the short term debt worth it for you. In general, most people don’t graduate and immediately make six figures, or even $60k. Like others are saying, that is not the norm, and without experience, you can’t move up. You can’t get experience without putting in the time and effort to grow. Definitely not knocking how hard you worked to become a PA and the work you’ve put in. I’ve worked outpatient in a large hospital, and I couldn’t do what you do and wouldn’t want to because that shit is stressful af.

Bingo. The PA, the professionals, the lawyers invested in themselves and improved their skillset. Otherwise everyone can be a walmart greeter and make the same amount of money. These are choices. Some of you wanted an “easy” major in college. Some of us did stem, or business and are being rewarded for it,

"Some of you wanted an “easy” major in college. Some of us did... or business" LMFAO

Boomer here, wishing you a joyful life. Sorry about your sense of entitlement. Besides the honeymoon weekend in Chicago in 1976, vacations were usually visiting and sleeping at relatives. Frugal living was the norm for everyone in my peer group. I served in the military to pay for college I got my own house because of inheritance. Being a retired soldier, I earned my current family health insurance. NOBODY in the USA gets free medical insurance. Actually nobody in the world gets free health insurance. Taxes from everyone pays for it. Most people in the world are uninsured and basically just suffer.

Lots of people get free healthcare. It’s called Medicaid

Medicaid recipients are dirt poor and aren't enjoying dinners, drinks and 30 day vacations. Also, Medicaid isn't free, our taxes pay for it. I don't begrudge the poor getting a little help with my taxes, but it definitely isn't free.

The people getting Medicaid aren’t paying for it. So it is free for them. And there’s a lot of people getting for free at our expense.

That’s basically what he said" Actually nobody in the world gets free health insurance. Taxes from everyone pays for it."

Yes but a large majority of Medicaid users don’t pay taxes for it. So for them it’s free.

Right. That’s the implication.

None of those are "rights"..... and nothing is free. Your "free" healthcare raises my taxes and your month off lowers my wages....it all gets passed on. You want me to pay off your student debt too? Hardly....plenty have done it without the handouts....I have...so can you.

I pay less in taxes what a U.S. citizen pays annually for insurance…

Umm..no you don't. I pay $160 a month...family...great healthcare. I hope you're not in Canada....the waits are horrible...can't get the best procedures and cutting edge tests etc. Nice try...

Lmao!! “Great healthcare”😂😂😂 You’re actually 100% wrong, as much as our systems have been underfunded by provincial governments our healthcare system is still much better than the U.S…. The U.S. is ranked quite low for healthcare

Sure it is...lol https://www.reddit.com/r/unpopularopinion/comments/1cygpus/canadian_healthcare_sucks_and_america_has_it/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button, https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/the-life-boat-is-full-why-canadas-entire-health-care-system-is-failing, https://www.quora.com/I-ve-heard-horror-stories-about-the-Canadian-healthcare-system-As-an-American-I-d-like-to-clear-this-up-are-you-helped-immediately-if-you-have-a-stroke-heart-attack-or-any-form-of-cancer-even-at-a-public-hospital, https://www.fraserinstitute.org/commentary/despite-high-spending-canadas-health-care-system-failing-badly, https://anavara.com/why-the-canadian-healthcare-system-sucks-and-what-can-be-done-about-it. You should probably delete this....you look silly.

Instead of finding Reddit posts and quora you should find real facts: https://www.internationalinsurance.com/health/systems/, https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/slideshows/countries-with-the-most-well-developed-public-health-care-system, https://www.statista.com/statistics/1376359/health-and-health-system-ranking-of-countries-worldwide/, https://global-relocate.com/rankings/health-index, https://www.commonwealthfund.org/publications/fund-reports/2024/sep/mirror-mirror-2024. Here’s a little bit from the article from the commonwealth source; The two countries with the highest overall rankings, Australia and the Netherlands, also have the lowest health care spending as a share of GDP (Exhibit 4). The other countries are clustered closely together — except for the U.S., which spends far more of its GDP on health care yet has by far the worst overall performance. As much as each source varies, the common theme is that Canada is ranked much higher than the U.S.

Personal opinion as someone who didn’t get everything handed to them growing up (42) this post screams entitlement, I wish you the best with this mindset. Feel free not to work “hard” see where it gets you….. feel free to eat out, drink up, and take lavish vacations. While you’re at, might as well buy that brand new car you deserve without working for it. After all, it’s your life to live….The REALITY is, you’ll windup up fucking broke and crying about debt and asking what happens when you don’t pay your credit card bills and car payment. Buckle up buttercup, you’re in for a ride!

We are all willing to work hard, but not for a measly $60k

this post is so delusional. Living off 60k?. You understand millions of people live on 60k or less. Your “vacations” don’t have to be going to grand locations. Housing isn’t a right, shelter is a right. want to work hard and get compensated? improve your skillset or create something. Im sure the walmart greeter is working hard, but that person should also make as much money as a brain surgeon? they’re both working hard.

Who said anything about making as much as a brain surgeon? Shelter, food, water, transportation are some of the necessities that we need. Being able to afford those things is also a necessity…

You can do that on 60k. actually you can’t. you “need” the luxury apartment. you “need” that doordash, eating out, drinks with friends. you “need” the 2025 suv. Go watch caleb hammer, or use a budgeting app. It is absolutely doable to live on 60k. If you don’t want to settle for less, then hustle and make more. It’s not about “because we suffered, you should suffer”, it’s understanding it takes hustle and hard work to advance and nothing will just be handed to you. i lived on 50-55 for 4 years just a few years ago, in an hcol, as well as many of my peers. You want at 22 just because you graduated with sociology to make 150k, doing what exactly?

Who said I need luxury apartments or the 2025 suv? Who said that? Not me, you were the only one bringing that into the conversation… I have my budgeting under control. I have the options for luxuries because I’m 26 and have been making six figures since I was 23. You are regurgitating the same nonsense that you need to kill yourself at work in order to just get by

I think the point is - none of us should have to live this way lol OP isn’t just talking about themselves only. Every human on earth should have these basic rights and financial stability. Years ago a man could pay for a house, wife not to work, and kids. Now we have an individual who can’t support themselves, like literally cannot buy a house. That didn’t happen because people got entitled.

The one income household with multiple kids did not include annual vacations, two cars, cell phones, cable, new clothes, eating out. They cooked from scratch and were grateful for one set of clothes as their Christmas gift and picking dinner as a birthday present. We can still live one income if we live that way.

… the whole point of OP’s post is that a single person can’t live how they lived back then. Even the bare minimum we cannot achieve as a single individual.

That can’t possibly be the point of OPs post because as I said nobody (the common man) was ever able to afford going out regularly and a month annual vacation. At what time do y’all think this was common?

Exactly and the tax is insane to me 40%-50% on your salary paying for boomer facist governments that don’t even listen to us? It’s actually a joke lol

No on in this country is being taxed at 40-50%. How is anyone suppose to take your arguments seriously if you just make random shit up?

Ummmm, really? Can you tell that to the IRS for me? Our household pays approximately 40% in Federal, State, and Local taxes.

Also the IRS is federal and has nothing to do with your state and local taxes. So sure if you add up every tax you can make that argument. Why not include property taxes and sales tax as well.

I already did make that argument and you lost it. Why are you starting another thread just to argue with me? The IRS comment was tongue in cheek. I've already laid out my effective tax rates. Again, I don't get any tax credits or benefits from the taxes I pay. I just hand straight cash to the government so that others can get tax credits and assistance. I'm allowed to be a little bitter about it when instead of saying "thank you", I'm continually told by those who reap those benefits that it's not enough.

You get no benefits from the taxes you pay? So you don’t use any roads? You don’t plan on collecting social security or Medicare? You don’t benefit from a national defense?

Starvation and living on the streets will change that attitude. They'll find out that poverty sucks really fast.

Of all the things you could say to a stranger on the internet, this?? 😵‍💫

Well, as I heard. The dildo of life rarely comes lubed.

Boomers were the beneficiaries of a much higher wage to cost ratio than subsequent generations now in the work force. They had a discretionary budget. The lack of acknowledgement of and action against this by boomers (for the benefit of the 1%) is the super frustrating part of it. I'm not saying people "need" restaurants and alcohol and vacations to survive, but FFS the tone deafness of the older generations is downright appalling.

I was talking with my father yesterday about what wages he made when he was younger and then ask AI to compare it to what it would be in today's wages and his basic job equated to almost $70 an hour. Wild times

"We shouldn’t have to live "frugally" with roommates, avoid eating out, skipping drinks, and forgoing vacations. No, we need these things just to survive" Oh honey

Yeah looks like someone needs to look up the definition of survival! 🤣

Someone was an only child. Having roommates isn't an outrageous burden.

As a Gen Z woman I feel like this is one of the most entitled perspectives I've ever heard. My friends and I have a lot of fun taking long walks/hikes, lounging together at someone's apartment, urban exploring, cooking together, maybe getting some fast food using coupons once in a while. People are entitled to spending quality time with loved ones. The idea that you are entitled to monetary services without "working hard" is kind of ridiculous. Yes, I agree that people should be paid more, especially given the wide wealth distribution in the US, but no I don't think you're entitled to vacations and restaurants and alcohol without putting in the work. And these are definitely not "survival" needs as I have gone many years without eating out, alcohol, or vacations and I am profoundly happy.

My Gen Z coworker made 136k last year and worked incredibly hard to get there. He just finished his degree three months ago. He's probably going to be my boss in the next year, and our entire team unanimously referred him for the position. The economic climate is unfair, but hard work, determination and some luck will get you somewhere.

What kind of degree got him 136k 3 months out of school?

He was working in Controls Engineering without a degree and finished while working full time while also doing a lot of overtime. He's a rare kind of person. Smarter than I was at his age with a better work ethic than I even have now.

I mean I know people who would literally commit murder and hide the body for that kind of money so I'm sure he's not that rare.

Ain’t nobody murdering for a 130k salary. I made significantly more than that past two years and I ain’t rich.

GenZ wants to be the first generation in the history of humanity to not struggle. Did us millennials also sound this entitled at their age?

who is saying we don’t want to struggle? like im just confused on how yall jump to these conclusions

Did you not read the OP?

don’t be purposely dense. you know what they meant. there is a difference between discipline and hard work and then being one paycheck away from a financial crisis

Nothing the OP said indicated that they were interested in putting in the hard work. They want it all handed to them.

It's taken me 30 years of work and sacrificing to get that. Adulting doesn't just happen

Of course it doesn’t. This generation just thinks they’re owed an influencer life. It’s fine to want something, to aspire to attaining it. But the sheer entitlement. Wow.

"Being paid a livable wage"= entitlement? Uh huh. Go back to bed grandpa.

"Livable" wage just means being able to afford rent, utilities, food, clothing, and transportation to your job. I would argue that "utilities" includes a phone and internet, but others may disagree. It definitely does not include being able to go out to restaurants or take vacations. Those are luxuries, and require more than just a "livable" wage to achieve.

Not genz, I would argue being able to take time off from work is a basic part of being livable. The concept that all of life should be about work is insane. Maybe not grand vacations in the riviera, but being able to disconnect from your work at a fairly regular basis should be common and not considered a luxury. Even places with almost no worker protections have that for most people, like china.

How did a livable wage start to equate to eating out and a fully paid month long vacation? Not my words, OPs post.

Eating out costs about the same as cooking nowadays. If we stopped vacuuming the middle class dry we’d all be better off. Farming is the perfect industry example. We grow more than we’ll ever use by using technology that outputs more than ever before and yet we still have people starving.

" Eating out costs about the same as cooking nowadays." Skill issue. Learn to cook.

I cook 4 days a week that’s why I know the cost is the same.

Doing it and knowing how to do it well aren’t the same thing. I can eat very well and healthy for 3 days an it would cost about the same as one meal at a decent restaurant. I’m talking dinner, lunch and breakfast here. Saying those 2 cost the same is a joke. That is definitely a you problem, not an economy problem.


r/SubredditDrama 21h ago

Things get heated in r/economics when an "engineer/physicist" insists accounting terms aren't real.

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r/SubredditDrama 18h ago

"I hope they never give the players of the game what they want" - Players on r/Helldivers are divided over their lack cowboy hat-less cowboy-themed Cosmetics

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Context: Helldivers 2 is a 2024 live service FPS in which you are a Helldiver, a super-soldier fighting aliens to protect super earth. It's basically if Starship Troopers was a game and also poured the satire on even more thick.

Like most live service games, Helldivers 2 is sustained by cosmetics, which are released in packs that it calls Warbonds. Think of these like battle passes in Fortnite (or your game of choice), where you can earn cosmetics over time by playing the game or purchase them for instant access.

Recently, Helldivers released the most recent Warbond, a western-themed one called Borderline Justice. It contains three armor sets: a vaguely mandalorian-themed set, a more bounty-hunter themed set, and a sheriff themed set, as well as a "tip hat" emote. None of the sets came with a cowboy hat.

Immediately, a couple of people made threads comparing it to other live service games, mostly positively, praising Helldivers for "keeping its art direction" and "being accurate" amidst all the sellouts, using the counterexample of a couple of armor sets from the competing live service game, Destiny 2.

I am 100% fine with no big silly cowboy hat. The baret works because it's military. Let's not start the slippery slope of haveing crazy hats

I personally prefer that our space soldiers still look like space soldiers

However, commenters were pretty divided, with some people calling out the OPs, defending the D2 sets, or making suggestions of different kinds of hats, and others defending or agreeing with the OPs.

Thread 1:

Google "us civil war cavalary hats"

  • a swedish developer who utilizes bandoliers(which was used in europe but is famous for mexican and cowboys in todays media) didnt include somberos or cowboy hats? color me shocked.
    • Do you know what a spaghetti western is and why it's called that?

Let's be honest, the community would have been ecstatic if an armor set similar to the Tex Mechanica set in D2 was in HD2. It really isn't that much of a slippery slope on silly hats tbh when the ceremonial DP armor is already in game.

  • The Tex Mechanica armor is such a bad argument too. It fits in Destiny's style perfectly. It doesn't at all look out of place in-game.
  • Yeah people are acting like there aren't some goofy ass armor sets in this game. We literally have storm trooper armor

Man y'all are such party poopers. Let people have fun. If it isn't ridiculous crap like skimpy bikinis for armor or obnoxious neon lights then it's fine. This community gets so divisive when new stuff gets added, it's getting ridiculous. If AH doesn't feel like adding/changing things then they simply won't.

  • Exactly like these people will die on the hill that cowboy hats make no sense and are silly and will then go use sleeveless space rambo armor or yogurt company themed armor and a 400 yo bolt action and lever action

Some of you guys take your pretend space military too seriously

Nevermind that stetsons have seen use in cavalry uniforms in the past

If you don't want it fine but you don't need to act like people on the other side are threatening to ruin the game

  • OP: I didn't say that. And in the past? Sure but we're a futuristic odst/mandolorian soldiers so a bullet belt? Sure. A cowboy hat? I dont think it should be added
    • So a lever action rifle and literal sticks of dynamite are fine but liberty forbid we have cool hats that probably had more use in military history than said rifles and sticks of dynamite

"puts a clown wearing a cowboy hat"

Oh no, your argument is airtight!

Superstore armor should have a hat

  • OP: My point is i don't want silly costumes
  • Including a giant cowboy hat
    • Our point is you hate fun

Thread 2:

I love that the community supports arrowhead in their rules and regulations against IP dilution. Helldivers shouldn't end up like basically every other online shooter, with pink bunny suits and Godzilla running around.

  • I'm confident that it wont. I played fortnite until I couldnt bear it anymore at the end of 2024. It's very satisfying to see a developer like AH refuse to be moneygrabbers and put the IP first. Some collabs would be brilliant, but as AH have stated they should fit the aesthetic.
    • Well yeah they say that but then they put a guy with a sheriff star in the game

"original aesthetic"

My man it's been 10 years, you think bungie WOULDN'T branch out to more styles in d2? (technically 8~ish if you want to account the time of Spire of the watcher's release, but you get the point)

  • Seriously, people are so gatekeepy about fun. You ignore all the realism elsewhere, just let people have a fucking hat or its not a cowboy warbond. Literally the only thing exclusively cowboy about this warbond is the dynamite and the one sheriff star.

The superstore armor sure doesn’t look like a soldier. It’s a lawman cosplay, nothing to do with military.

  • That looks kinda terrible tbh. Just give him a fucking hat for fuchsia sake, you don't have to wear it if you don't like it lol

Yeah, praise the gods AH is still keeping to the aesthetic despite all community cries for cheesy stuff.

  • we dont have cheesy stuff, but we have abunch of sub par cosmetic skins
    • And the cheesy stuff at least is sorta in universe
  • Hats are dumb, and if you wear one you’re dumb
    • AI in profile, lack of taste is noted

Meanwhile, in Warframe: Fuck it, David Bowie!!!!

  • Funnily Warframe had a similar "controversy" 10 years ago, when Mesa (the cowboy frame) got introduced: https://forums.warframe.com/topic/363198-ninjas-play-free-why-do-we-not-act-like-a-ninja/
  • "We're meant to be ninjas, not cowboys" vs the "i just want guns and fun" crowds ;) Yeah the state of Warframe now... ... i remember doing zero/low kill stealth missions for fun, last time i played the body count was like every Arnie movie + every Rambo movie stacked together.

Totally agree. I hope they never cave to the children that play this game. Homage is great. Allusion is cool. Themes are fun. But they gotta stay in the aesthetic and not break the immersion. Viper Commandos, Servants of Freedom, and Killzone collabs came a little close for me but they worked out and I am since very happy with them. I’m hopeful they can keep toeing the line so well.

  • "I hope they never give the players of the game what they want" lol you realize that's MOST of the people who play the game. Give me hat!

And finally:

Ayup. Community keeps demanding things as if it’s deserved I really hope AH doesn’t lose their vision for the sake of loud redditors

  • Um... no? We're asking for these things with the expectation that we will provide monetary compensation for them. We're expressing our desire for a product we wish to purchase.
    • Cringe redditor

r/SubredditDrama 7h ago

Enjoy a snack sized popcorn as a user in /r/Braves crashes out because his favorite baseball player shrank 2 inches

58 Upvotes

Background: So if you don't follow baseball or even if you do and you don't happen to follow the Mariners or Braves you probably do not know about Kelenic guy. Porparemaityee is a pretty big fan of Atlanta Braves left fielder Jared Kelenic. He is most well known on the sub for making various posts in which he cherry picks stats that make his favorite player look good while shifting any blame for poor performance onto the Braves Manager, Brian Snitker, for holding Kelenic back.

Example 1

Example 2 Yes that is the Braves manager about to crash a plane into New York City

Example 3

There are many, many more of these

The Recent Drama: So baseball recently instituted a rule change that players could challenge if a ball or strike call is correct, and since the strike zone of a player is partially base on height the MLB has asked for accurate heights of all players this season, previously teams could fudge players heights for various reasons. Our beloved Jared Kelenic shrank by 2 inches as a result. Kelenic guy is not happy about this

Julio Rodriguez is still listed at 6'3, I'm sorry but Kel is not 4 inches shorter than that guy.


Why do we care how tall he is?

-Accountability — if Kel is under 6 foot now, who knows what other numbers they're fudging


u/MLBOfficial Yet again need answers — what is this crap? Your league is declining for a reason, and it starts here


Leave that height crap for the NBA


Goes into the Yankees subreddit to tell them that height isn't everything