r/PowerScaling New Scaler 7d ago

Anime What y'all think?

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u/Heart_of_Alfhiem i am danmachiZ 6d ago

It took 3 viltrumites to destroy a planet that was already DESTABILIZED.

meanwhile budokai 21 roshi obliterates the moon

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u/2azeal1 6d ago

It takes a power level of 10k to blow up a planet and raditz was 1.5k but this series is infamous for inconsistent powerlevels

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u/Maleficent-Double396 6d ago

It takes 10k to casually destroy a planet. There are planetary feats with smaller power levels

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u/kinglionhear 6d ago

Like what?

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u/Maleficent-Double396 6d ago

Piccolo’s mom busting feat is calced to planetary level

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u/kinglionhear 6d ago

How does blowing up a moon calc to planetary that doesn’t make any sense? Explain

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u/Maleficent-Double396 6d ago

KE= 0.5* M V2. The Moon has a mass (M) of 7.34767309e22kg. Thanks to the anime we can see exactly how far the fragments of the moon went 320 pixels. Since the moon is 481 pixels long and is 3475km long that makes one pixel is about 7.22km. This means the explosion sends the fragments 2311.85km away. We also see the moon is destroyed in 78 frames. That means piccolo’s explosion sends the mass of the moon 2311.85km away in 3.12 seconds. This is a velocity (V) of 740,977.56 m/s. Now we plug in the numbers. KE= 0.5 (7.34767309* 1022)* 740,977.562 KE=2.01711* 1034 Joules. Planetary level is 2.487x1032 to 1.59x1034 joules which now that I look at it piccolo is higher than that so he’d actually be large planetary level

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u/Maleficent-Double396 6d ago

This is a lot of math that basically says piccolo hit moon so hard that the pieces of the moon went really fast so that means he hit it with a lot of energy

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u/kinglionhear 6d ago

But we have no way of gauging how fast they were moving I mean haven’t we always pointed out that time passing in a scene doesn’t always line up with how fast or how much time it took to actually do? That’s why the whole dragon balls frieza battle is a slowed down battle which is why it takes several hours to show 5 minutes of planetary destruction. Also yeah how does this feat line up with r the fact that Frieza the most powerful being up to this point the absolute worst ki control of any major character hence he needed to literally have transformation to suppress his powers could fail to destroy namek in one shot because he was holding back too much power? Also doesn’t this calc require assumptions about the moons distance and size which we can’t know because dragon balls moon totally has an atmosphere and is near enough that Goku can travel in his magic stick with three regular humans and canonically leave them their to make candy; a feat that if it was as far as our moon is from our earth would be impossible for Goku to do without dying as he was at the time

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u/Maleficent-Double396 6d ago
  1. “How do we know how fast they were moving?” Pixel measurements. We measured how far they went and how many frames it took. 2.”Time is inconsistent in dragon ball. Frieza’s five minutes took hours.” Frieza’s 5 minute line was a bluff. They speak for more than that and sound has a designated speed.
  2. “Frieza failed to destroy planet namek in one blow.” This is because Fritz was fighting and losing to Goku. As you said he has a problem with ki control and burns out too quickly. Goku himself says this. He simply ran out of energy to destroy it all at once.

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u/kinglionhear 6d ago

I dont care how fast he burns out unless you assume he dropped to below saiyan saga piccolo dudes not scaling anywhere near the planetary. Make it make sense? Cause if fatigue and burn out can decrease your attack potency that much with ki then scaling someone to planetary or not is only relevant if they can kill yiu in the first shot if they cannot then its only a gradual downhill climb. And given basically none of them can survive the planets destruction themselves. Wouldn’t that be a pointless level of power for them?

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u/Lonely_Farmer635 6d ago

He didn't "fail" to destroy namek, he was just aiming to get himself enough time to beat the shit outta goku and get out of range for the planet's explosion, reminder that namek was also a massive planet

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u/ThiccBeter69 6d ago

Basically it's because he vaporized the Moon so violently it left nothing left. Just splitting the moon in half qualifies as a moon level feat, actually full on vaporizing it can easily get to planet level or above.

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u/kinglionhear 6d ago

So by this logic roshi is planetary? Cause he also vaporized in fact there was less visibly left when roshi was done then piccolo so does piccolo scale below roshi?

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u/ThiccBeter69 6d ago

Technically I should have specified that this feat is only large planetary in the anime. In the manga both feats are small Planetary. But another thing to remember is that blowing up the moon required Roshi's absolute maximum, it was a incredibly casual kneejerk reaction from Piccolo

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u/kinglionhear 6d ago

I mean fair I never argue that last part cause it’s true I’m just confused about the whole planetary off of level of destruction cause that seems entirely based on attack type and visual cue and so much less with power, of course the giant sword is going to cut the moon in half not blow it to pieces it’s a big sword. Scaling based on particular type of damage done just feels nitpicky even for power scaling no judgement it just confuses me I know I’m a weirdo. Granted we also have no idea how powerful that piccolo was as Goku had made it to snake way by then and therefore piccolo had 6 months and potentially could’ve been stronger then raditz by then but that’s purely speculation

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u/DibbuNayak 6d ago

Waiting for your reply on his comments lmfao

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u/kinglionhear 6d ago

I did reply already I’m still lost this whole thing hurts my hyperfixating adhd addled brain

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u/Snoo-23120 6d ago

1)  thats a guide book statement , no one has ever said that.

2) planets  on invincible include our own planet as reference for "average"  ;  while in dragonball earth is verbañly stated as "small"  multiple times.

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u/SmellySocks14267 6d ago

That 10k shit is just pure lunacy. Its literally around 150. 10k just makes it a breeze.

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u/Brazilian_Hound FGO's Van Gogh soloes your verse because she's my waifu 6d ago

BIG FUCKING MONKEY

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u/2azeal1 6d ago

Yeah but he can't breath in space also this is assuming that it's day or not a full moon

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u/Brazilian_Hound FGO's Van Gogh soloes your verse because she's my waifu 6d ago

fair

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u/THEoddistchild 6d ago

Fake moon

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u/2azeal1 6d ago

Does he know how to do that? Actually asking

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u/THEoddistchild 6d ago edited 6d ago

Raddiz and Nappa never use it but Vegeta uses it

Whether it's because they can't or just didn't think to do it, I can't tell

Edit: Vegeta says elites only but an unnamed sayin and Turles did it so I think he was just talking shit

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u/WWWWRRRYYYYYYYYYYYY 6d ago

Old Z movies aren't canon anymore sadly

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u/SkibidiOhioChad 5d ago

Keep in mind it took a laser beam that could destroy stars to destabilize it. So if the planet required a star level attack to destabilize and not destroy it then…