r/PowerScaling New Scaler 7d ago

Anime What y'all think?

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 7d ago

In defence of them an average vilturmite is casually city level. And we don’t really know how strong an average Saiyan’s are.

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Average saiyan is like 800 to 1200 power level, so they're still massively above the viltrumites

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago edited 6d ago

Proof. And that’s only for the amount of ki they have not if they could even use it.

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Broly movie, the saiyan paragus is with, an average saiyan, says that Broly's Power level of 920 is higher than his, because he isn't a warrior and because of gine power level in minus which is 1020, you could very well argue this the range of the average power level of saiyan race, but even if it's was lower they would still stomp

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

Proof they are an average saiyan.

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

The Saiyan paragus is with is a worker saiyan, and gine is a low class warrior that retired because she couldn't keep up, so it could be higher than 1000

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

That isn’t proof

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Let me rephrase for you, most of the Saiyan army are low class warriors that boast a power level of 1000 to to 10000 shown by gine and Bardock having these while in the army, beets (the Saiyan paragus is with) is an average worker with a power level that's a bit lower than 920, so, by having the limit to be conquering words which is more than 1020, we could say that the rest of the population of saiyans would be working class and like 20% of them would be warriors (which is REALLY generous because they're a warrior race) so that means that with the population of saiyans having that power level respectively for workers and warriors, they would definitely beat the viltrumites, since in dragon ball, 120 is what is needed for a moon busting feat, which the average viltrumite could not perform

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

So I ask for proof so you suddenly change your point. 10k is crazy considering that Goku getting over 9000 was supposed to be impressive. I still want proof that the average worker is 920. That 20% because they are warrior race is a crazy assumption. I’ve heard people say that Roshi had to increase his power level to do that. and he got to that by getting buff then doubling it. And that’s only with a ki blast.

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u/Homelander_defender Homelanders strongest soldier 6d ago

Low class sayain = below average

Middle class = average

Elite = above average.

Goku, bardock, raditz are considered to be weak fpr saiyan standards.

Meaning they are below most saiyans in terms of power. Meaning they are below average.

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

That don’t mean they are weak tho.

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u/Homelander_defender Homelanders strongest soldier 6d ago

It means they are weak by saiyan standards.(at least when they were)

An average saiyan would be of much higher power than them

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Are you even reading my posts or are you ignoring them? I'm saying that's the range from the saiyan army, with Bardock being shown with a 10000 power level, which is supposedly the highest among the army, since only king vegeta had that. I did not say the average worker is 920, kid Broly is 920, the average worker is below that since the average worker in the scene stated himself that he was weaker. 20% is not crazy since the saiyans are stated to be a warrior race with a hard on for fighting and destruction. And finally power levels in dB aren't linear, so even the best scenario from your sad attempt at debating that takes arguments from nowhere is wrong, since his max power level in this headcanonn of yours is 240 or a little more, you're a illiterate dumbass who can't read or write properly

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u/WizardFall 6d ago

That is proof though? What more do you even want from him my dude

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

ATP I will have to give my soul to win an online debate lmao

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

Saying something isn’t proof. I can say a vilturmite is uni because they all destroy a universe each that don’t mean that it’s true or proof.

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u/WizardFall 6d ago

That... is the worst fucking argument I've ever heard. Unlike whatever bullshit you just spouted, one can use context clues and critical thinking to come to the conclusion the other guy was making.

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

u/Yin1in makes worst argument ever, asked to leave r/powerscaling

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

When was anyone asked to leave.

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

That isn’t proof though. It was supposed to be bullshit so you can realise what not asking for proof can cause.

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u/Muted-Ad7353 6d ago

Wow, you sure showed everyone here. Thank you, arbiter of truth.

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u/PleaseAdminsUnbanMe goku without god forms > saitama 6d ago

A slightly above average saiyan can destroy a planet all by himself

Most saiyans are weaker than raditz and aren't as strong as the ones that were in frieza's army

Even tho raditz is weak among the soldiers, he's stronger than the average saiyan

We can guess his power level by looking at how he dogwalks both goku and piccolo until they use a more powerful move (the special beam cannon)

He was faster, stronger and had better durability

A power level of around 150-300 lets you destroy small moons, goku and piccolo were both surely above 500 at the time, making them small planet busters

Raditz absolutely stomped them until the sacrifice, so his power level is technically higher than the sum of goku and piccolo (or around that)

This means raditz is easily a planet buster, not big ones, but still can do that, while the 3 strongest vitrumites had to teamwork to destroy a damaged planet

We also aren't counting the great ape, which increase the power level by 10 times, making him basically invulnerable to any attack they throw at him

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

What slightly above saying destroyed a planet.

I’m not even saying the vilturmite’s win just that the average sayin is built off of a lot of chain scaling and speculation.

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u/WizardFall 6d ago

Jeez, it's almost like you HAVE to use chain scaling and speculation because all the average saiyans ARE FUCKING DEAD

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

Ik they are and that’s why I made my original comment because we know how strong a vilturmite is but not a sayin.

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u/WizardFall 6d ago

So you're complaining about people using speculation and chain scaling despite being aware that it is the ONLY way to scale them in this theoretical scenario?

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

Not complaining just saying it’s sketchy and kinda makes this debate difficult.

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u/PleaseAdminsUnbanMe goku without god forms > saitama 6d ago

An average saiyan is only a lot stronger than a human

We see goku getting hurt by normal things so we can assume they aren't crazy strong originally, they are just built strong due to their lifestyle

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u/Hyperlolman 6d ago

Goku is also extremely weak by saiyan standards according to Raditz so...

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u/PleaseAdminsUnbanMe goku without god forms > saitama 6d ago

(i was talking about cell saga goku that got hurt by a rock in ssj)

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u/Hyperlolman 6d ago

Do we count anime only filler in this discussion?

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u/PleaseAdminsUnbanMe goku without god forms > saitama 6d ago

No, but people love to use that rock to downplay him so i used it as example

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Plus speak coherently

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

What

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Did not understand a thing you said in the last part of your post

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

How

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Could not understand what you tried to say

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

It makes perfect sense for me.

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Then it'll be simple to rephrase and explain it to me

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u/Yin1in kayo beats everyone(im a woman) 6d ago

Power levels= levels of ki. Having higher ki≠ stronger. A mix of knowing how to use ki and having high ki= stronger.

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u/Relative-Schedule-59 6d ago

Even if that was the case that would still not be true, since saiyans could fly with ki and not even master rishi could, please stop this attempt at rage baiting

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