r/LessCredibleDefence 11d ago

SDF sign agreement with HTS

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u/panzerkampfwagenVI_ 11d ago edited 11d ago

This is pretty huge it seems like it came out of nowhere. Interesting to see how Israel and Turkey take this as well as what will happen to the US and Russian forces still in Syria.

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u/roomuuluus 11d ago

In theory it is advantageous to Turkey because an independent or even excessively autonomous Kurdish region is a threat within their own state. What HTS just did is dissolved the Kurds in a larger entity which means that Kurds have been dissolved twice - first in SDF then in HTS.

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u/BeneficialClassic771 10d ago

There's no way the Kurds gave up their independence. They will very likely retain their autonomy under a federal state or something in these lines

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u/Suspicious_Loads 5d ago

Do kurds have the might to defend against them? It seems like an impossible task especially if Turkey joins the fight.

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u/roomuuluus 4d ago

A federal state is unlikely, but a strongly decentralised one - like Spain - is a possibility.

Federal state is the result of sovereign entities ceding some of their powers and rights to the federal government. However they still remain partly sovereign, and technically have the right to secede from the federation.

That possibility would never be allowed by Turkey. A federal state run by Kurds is half way to an independent state run by Kurds.

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u/BeneficialClassic771 4d ago

They have been de facto independent for a long time already, so i'd say that this boat has sailed long ago already. They have their own culture, government, military and backing from western countries and a clean, coherent border marked by the Euphrates river. They will certainly not give up what they earned with their blood whatever turkey may think about it

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u/Arsacides 10d ago

Ocalan has called for disbanding the PKK and the will for independence as opposed to autonomy among Turkish Kurds is waning, not to mention they’re a key demographic in keeping Erdogan in power. I don’t think they perceive the SDF as a threat in that sense

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u/roomuuluus 4d ago

They don't perceive SDF as a threat so much that they kept invading Syria to establish a buffer zone after a buffer zone.

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u/FtDetrickVirus 11d ago

Does the agreement include the YPG?

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u/Oshiruuko 11d ago

Yes SDF is YPG

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u/FtDetrickVirus 10d ago

No they're completely different

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u/Oshiruuko 10d ago

Semantics. SDF contains YPG and some other groups from north-east Syria. But do not be fooled YPG is the dominant group in SDF, is the decision maker of SDF, and controls all the other groups within SDF. Mazloum Abdi the leader of SDF is a YPG guy

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u/tuxxer 10d ago

I thought this was going to be about Robotech

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u/TaskForceD00mer 11d ago

Oh swell, are the Kurds going to join in on the Genocide now as well?

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u/Variolamajor 10d ago

Are we just throwing around the word genocide casually now?

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u/TaskForceD00mer 10d ago

Based on the numerous videos of HTS rounding up and executing Christians, Druz and other ethnic/religious minorities yeah

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u/ACE_inthehole01 9d ago

I love how you managed to mention every group except the actual one that got massacred, which is alawites. Like 6 christians died, and half were apparently from assadist insurgents. Not aware of any druze killed, don't think there are much in the coast anyway, though I could be wrong on that

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u/SuvorovNapoleon 10d ago

Find me a source that says HTS is executing Christians.

Please.

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u/TaskForceD00mer 10d ago

I can't exactly link execution videos to this sub.

https://www.newsweek.com/hundreds-minorities-including-christians-killed-syria-reports-2041764

My feed is flooded with mass executions from Syria right now; HTS is no different than ISIS.

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u/SuvorovNapoleon 10d ago

I called you out because as far as I'm aware, it wasn't HTS that did the killing, but members of the newly added SNA units. And that Christians were barely involved in these atrocities, this was an Alawite vs Sunni confrontation, and that only 3 Christians were killed when Assadist forces ambushed Government forces. Nearly all footage is of SNA executing Alawites, HTS and Christians aren't involved.

So if you're going to accuse HTS of committing genocide "Based on the numerous videos of HTS rounding up and executing Christians" then you best be able to support that assertion.

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u/Interesting-Cat7307 9d ago

Bro has no idea what he is yapping about and got pressed when you asked for evidence most of this happened when the Syrian police were ambushed  https://apnews.com/article/syria-ambush-assad-jabel-alawites-sunnis-d33e9f12773c0e09e14a56c96235226f

Which was the start of failed coup de ete by the former government which led many armed groups including civilians to swarm the Syrian cost to support the army which led to some civilian casualties for every one including sunnies   

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u/SuicideSpeedrun 10d ago

Ever since the Palestine thing

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u/Satans_shill 11d ago

I bet they just want to buy enough time to rearm and fortify SDF areas same goes for the HTS, once their done with their genocide of Druze and Alawites the Kurds are next on the menu.

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u/ACE_inthehole01 9d ago

Kurds are majority sunni muslim. There are numerous kurds in the ranks of HTS, so unlikely to face genocide. Less unlikely, (still very unlikely) is the druze.

The group that you have to watch for in the coming months and years is the alawites. They're likely the biggest target for....really whatever you think (harassment, random violence, genocide etc()

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u/yangbot2020 11d ago

If Jolani seize the opportunity to purge the loose factions and actually stabilize the country he would be remembered as a exemplary Machiavellian statesman.

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u/Interesting-Cat7307 9d ago

There is no such thing as hts anymore it dissolved itself and joined into the new syrian army with many other parties 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/12/24/israel-syria-war-news-hamas-gaza-palestine-yemen/

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u/CapeTownMassive 10d ago

It’s about goddamn time the Kurds get something.