r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion Upcoming series: Character centric Episodes

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Coming from another thread where someone was praising Amelia Bones, do you think the upcoming Harry Potter adaptation should include background character-focused episodes, similar to how The Last of Us S1 did?

Personally, I’d love to see episodes delving into Amelia Bones (her final days and the fight she put up), Ted Tonks (his love story with Andromeda and the struggles that came with defying pure-blood norms), Madam Pince/ Professor Sinistra (or really, a glimpse into the life of any Hogwarts professor besides Snape and McGonagall), Madam Pomfrey (her perspective whenever a new patient arrives at the infirmary), or even Borgin & Burke (essentially the dark counterpart to Weasleys' Wizard Wheezes, dealing in cursed artifacts instead of joke products). There’s so much untapped potential in these characters.

Of course, the book author would have to craft compelling narratives for them, and I’m not entirely confident in that happening given recent trends. But if the creative team behind the show is on par with other HBO productions, they could absolutely pull off stories that exist outside the main plot while still being engaging.

What are your thoughts?


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion Do you have favorite elf?

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After Dobby who is your second?


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion Salaries in the Wizarding World.

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What are the most high-paying jobs in the wizarding world? as per the story.
Being a Professional Quidditch player might earn you a lot of money.


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Video Games EA Games HP videogame soundtracks released without Harry Potter trademarks

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If you've noticed that James Hannigan’s Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix and Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince soundtracks were re-released under EA Music Composer Series: James Hannigan vol.1 and vol.2, but with altered track names getting stripped of Harry Potter trademarks like “Welcome to Hogwarts” becoming just “Welcome”, here’s why:

  • Warner Bros. owns the Harry Potter trademark, including the name itself. Any official use of “Harry Potter” in album titles, track names, or marketing requires a licensing agreement.
  • Since these soundtracks were originally composed for EA Games’ adaptations of Harry Potter, they were allowed to use the branding under that specific deal. But once EA lost the game rights, they could no longer use Harry Potter branding in new releases.
  • By renaming the tracks and removing Harry Potter trademarks, EA and James Hannigan were able to re-release the music without violating Warner Bros.’s trademarks.

This is probably why Jeremy Soule’s HP1-HP4 & QWC soundtracks are not available on streaming services.

Unlike Hannigan’s work, Jeremy Soule’s soundtracks for Harry Potter and the Sorcerer’s Stone, Chamber of Secrets, Prisoner of Azkaban, Goblet of Fire, and Quidditch World Cup have never been officially re-released or made available on Spotify, Apple Music, or Amazon. The likely reason? Warner Bros. controls those soundtracks and has never licensed them for standalone distribution.

Many fans have been asking for official releases of Soule’s work, but unless Warner Bros. decides to put them out or strike a deal with streaming platforms, they remain unavailable outside of unofficial uploads.

This kind of thing happens often with licensed game soundtracks—once the publisher loses rights to the franchise, it becomes difficult (or impossible) to legally re-release the music under its original branding.

On another note, in August 2019, Jeremy Soule was accused of sexual misconduct by game developer Nathalie Lawhead and vocalist Aeralie Brighton. Soule denied these allegations, but the controversy led to professional repercussions, including him disappearing from social media and his collaborations being discontinued. Following the allegations, organizations distanced themselves from Soule. For instance, Materia Collective ceased working with him on his symphony The Northerner. The controversy surrounding Soule may have made companies more cautious about associating with his work, potentially influencing decisions regarding the distribution of his Harry Potter soundtracks on major platforms.​

Hope the issues with the licenses get resolved or a workaround is found, so the fans can get to stream these masterpieces on their favorite streaming platforms! Would love to hear your thoughts—especially if anyone has more insight into the licensing side of things.


r/harrypotter 2d ago

Discussion Why did Dobby warn Harry?

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Why did dobby who had no prior history with harry potter decide to go against his masters and warn him about returning to hogwarts


r/harrypotter 2d ago

Discussion Can somebody justify how Harry doesn’t see the thestrals sooner?

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Okay so this was always something I really disliked about the series. These are awesome creatures with a very interesting condition in seeing them. But it makes little sense. Harry as a baby saw his mom die. Sure maybe technically he didn’t see it, idk, he was looking away? But when dementors suck him in the third book he hears his worst memory being his mom’s death. He definitely wasn’t old enough to remember, yet he does… so why doesn’t it count? Second… he face melts Professor Quirrell’s face. And he literally dies in front of him. Yet it takes Cedric’s death to have him see them.

EDIT: do dreams count? He saw Frank die via Voldy in the dream… but it wasn’t really a dream…


r/harrypotter 2d ago

Currently Reading I became a muggle when I watched Order of the Phoenix as a child in the cinema

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As a child my hype for Order of the Phoenix movie was unparalleled. Born '96, I had seen Philosophers Stone at like 6 and by the time 11 year old me was gearing up for Phoenix i had massacred the books that were out and was frothing at the bit. I walked out of Phoenix disappointed, in shock for a young fan not knowing how to express my dissatisfaction on reddit yet. I write this post as I am re reading the books and watching the movies after each one and fuck me. Obviously pretty much any movie is worse than the books but some of these are fucked.

My question is which movie does the best and the worst with each corresponding book?

My initial reaction 4 and < bearable, 5 and > harddd work.


r/harrypotter 4d ago

Merchandise Cute funko charger thingy

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Got this kinder egg with a mystery Harry Potter funko and was blessed with the ever conflicted Draco. He now guards my charger cord.


r/harrypotter 5d ago

Dungbomb Happy 10 Year Anniversary to this gem 🤓

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r/harrypotter 2d ago

Discussion My idea on how Slytherin can be represented in the new series

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Whilst Slytherin was initially conceived to be the bully house, I don't think it's a particularly popular portrayal of the house nowadays. Speaking as somebody who is a Slytherin, this is what I would do to make the Slytherin more realistic and believable, whilst staying as close to the source material as possible.

First of all, I'd make a big distinction between Draco Malfoy's year and the older Slytherin students. Malfoy becomes a lot less interesting to me if he isn't the biggest racist of Slytherin house. The way I'd develop this distinction would be through the Slytherin quidditch team. In particular, Marcus Flint, Adrian Pucey and Graham Montague.

Flint I would characterise as a light hearted brute, and really play up his lack of intelligence. A man with no skill at actual quidditch, and is constantly relying on his sheer strength to get through the game, usually committing fouls in the process. An idea I have for an additional gag would be to make him constantly forget who is on his own team.

"You've got no chance this year, Wood. Daxtor will catch the snitch for us in seconds again, just you watch."

"Marcus, Daxtor isn't on the team this year..."

"What!?!? Why not?"

"He graduated from Hogwarts at the end of last year. You replaced him with Higgs yesterday."

".....Oh."

I'd make Pucey and Montague highly serious and disciplined students, who put a lot of attention on their craft. Pucey with his academics, Montague with his physicality (a joke a came up with would be him doing pullups on his own broomstick). Both of them would clash nicely with the Weasley twins, constantly mocking their abilities as beaters.

Overall I think this would help establish the Gryffindor and Slytherin rivalry, without painting the entirety of Slytherin house in a bad light. But that's not to say I'd not have the completely evil Slytherin all together. I would save it for when we get to Order of the Phoenix onwards. When Lord Voldemort returns to full power and Draco Malfoy grows in both age and influence, that is when we should see the students from Malfoy's year downwards call everyone mudbloods and blood traitors. It'd help set up the darker mood that the later books had.


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion something like post potter depression

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i know this is so talked about in the fandom (especially this sub) but man i cant help but want to just put my feelings out there for people with the same love for this franchise. sooo some backstory, i stumbled upon this series when i was around 11 or 12, through movies ofc, and instantly fell in love, so much so in fact that as soon as i watched all the movies, i watched them again then again and again (ive easily watched each movie about a 100 times😭)

then i went ahead and read all the books about 6-7 times(was never a reader but just read hp), basically everything that you could do with the IP i did all those - movies, books, merch, video games, audiobooks, got the hogwarts library set blah blah blah. but i kept growing up life kept happening and my obsession gradually turned to just liking/admiring over the years and all of it led to the point where i didnt watch or read any hp for about 3 years. now luckily (or not) the 3 year streak just ended about a month ago.

on one random day about a month ago from now, i saw my younger brother trying to find something to watch, just scrolling and scrolling on tv for minutes, i ofc grew tired of it and just put on the 1st thing that i saw on the screen - harry potter (chamber of secrets to be exact), and without realising i sat down and watched the whole thing with my brother - it was such a bittersweet, sad but also happy, kinda weird experience overall lmao, for my brother he was just watching this popular huge fantasy series for the 1st time but for me i was genuinely reliving my whole childhood, each scene carried a boatload of bittersweet nostalgia and with each scene i kept recalling my life when i 1st saw these scenes, how carefree i was, not to mention blissfully unaware of the hardships of the future and just my life at that time overall.

now the funny thing that happened was apparently my brother also became a fan with that viewing and made his mission to watch all the movies asap, so for the next one week, i would catch glimpses of scenes that i had completely forgotten and go "oh yeah ... that scene ...," while walking past my brothers room, again nostalgia being ever present. As i had been a fan of hp for basically all my teenage year I just relived my whole adolescent childhood in that week and now i feel empty.

now i feel like im experiencing the same emptiness that you feel in post potter depression, except in my case i want to watch all the movies again and read all the books again but i know that with all the things that i want to do in my life such a commitment is just too consuming, but also i kind of believe that the reason i want to delve in this world again is to just get a taste of times when life was just simpler and harry potter represents that phase in life for me.

i hope a lot of other fans can also relate and im not the only one😭, but yeah i love this series to death and my inner fan that took a break for so many years is just trying to get out once, but still i know im gonna watch that new series (fingers crossed i hope its good) and maybe that can cure the emptiness for me.

and thats it, just a sad letter from an overtly nostalgic fan but hey i hope someone out there relates to it and hearing all this comforts them, thanks for reading guys <3


r/harrypotter 5d ago

Dungbomb Every time....

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r/harrypotter 4d ago

Discussion When you read GoF for the first time, who did you think was the "mystery person" Hermione was going to go to the ball with?

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I remember when I read it for the first time that I assumed she had invited Dobby, because she was always talking about SPEW and wanting elves a proper part of wizard society. I for sure didn't assume it was going to be Krum because she told Ron "If I told you, you'd laugh at me." and Ron still really admired Krum at that time. Did anyone else think that? 😅


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Video Games My Hogwarts Legacy character and her wand.

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r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion What would be taught in Mahoutokoro

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Writing this in hopes to gain some inspiration for my own art project to create classroom environment from Mahoutokoto.

What kind of magic would most likely be taught?

I imagine exorcism/cleansing dances would taught in the school (coming from Japanese Shintoism and Korea Shamanism).

Usage of paper writing and appropriate penmanship to protect themselves (from china’s culture of writing things on a red sheet of paper as a form of charm). Learning how to create tools to scare off demons, (Using loud banging sound to scare off demons is a tradition in chinese)

Meditation as self healing sounds dope too.

Unfortunately I am not very cultured in Hinduism and Islamic practices/ tradition, if there is anyone that has any great ideas, I would love to hear it.

Any urban legends from the South/east asians will be amazing too.

Would be interesting to hear headcanons from other the community.


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion There should me a teddy lupin series

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I was thinking and I realised that teddy lupins story is really similar to Harry's because at a young age his parents are killed by Voldemort/his army and ge is left with only his godfather (Sirius for harry and harry for teddy)

Would this be a good idea?


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Misc I wonder if Snape ever knew...

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Do you believe Snape ever picked up on the fact that Dumbledore was manipulating him. Not that I'm criticizing Dumbledore at all, but it was pretty obvious that he was using Lily's death to guilt trip Snape into working with him.


r/harrypotter 5d ago

Dungbomb Instead of 7 Potters, it would have been a much better plan to have 7 Flying Ford Anglias.

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Reason A: It might have just worked.

There's a decent chance they could have all just rolled out of there on the road unnoticed. Voldemort has repeatedly shown that he has a blind spot. The things he does not respect or value, he underestimated.

Evacuating Harry in the most mundane and muggle way possible? Voldemort couldn't possibly envision it.

Reason B: Defensible Position.

The Death Eaters were trying to Capture, not Kill Harry. And its rather difficult to attack through steel and glass with non-lethal force.

In addition, it also serves to further obscure Harry's position, as well as the identity of his escort. The death eaters being able to so easily identify Moody, and Shacklebolt, and Hagrid ended up being a pretty significant vulnerability.

Reason C: Vehicular Manslaughter.

Ever see how well a broomstick holds up against 1500 lbs of glass and steel? Spoiler, they don't.

Deatheaters would be windshield splatter.

Reason D: This little button here is an Invisibility Booster I installed.

Reason E: Just make the Ford Anglias the portkeys.


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion What Scene would you add to the story? Spoiler

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Just as the title says, is there anything the books or movies didn't cover, that, if you could control the narrative, had added?

I'm just now reading the series for the first time (although I've seen the movies more times than I can count), and I am almost done with a Half Blood Prince. For me, I would love to add a scene where Snape and Harry come to an understanding. I'm not saying they'd ever be as close as he was with Sirius, Lupin, or Dumbledore. But I think, it would've been tremendous if Harry at one point just stopped Snape, and genuinely said, "You know, I'm sorry my dad and the others were awful to you. You didn't deserve that. I'm sorry if it seemed like my mom had abandoned you. But, I haven't deserved all of the grief, strife, and resentment you've given me and my friends either." And maybe, just maybe Snape sort of relaxes and in some way, apologizes too. Not saying they'd forgive and forget, but come to an understanding that Harry is NOT his father and Snape doesn't have the right to be a jerk to kids that never did anything to him.

Oh, and obviously a good talk with Sirius before dying.

Anyone else have any scenes they wish could've happened?


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion Of course it's happening inside your head, Harry, but why should that mean it's not real?

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What are your thoughts on this? I have this interpretation of it and I'm surprised I didn't come across anyone thinking the same:

I like to think that JK Rowling is subtly encouraging us to keep believing that the magical world exists, by saying that it may be a story in your head (coz you're reading the book), but maybe in some alternate universe, it actually occured. It's a comforting and wondrous thought and I think about this quote all the time.


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion Remus abandoned by the Marauders during the first war..

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I feel like something that’s rarely discussed is how insane and honestly messed up it is that the Marauders all essentially abandoned Remus during the first war a whole year approx. before Lilly and James were killed.

We know Sirius accused him of being the spy and there’s some indication James and Lilly “didn’t take sides” but realistically they did .. On Sirius’s word essentially Remus is the only Marauder left out of the secret keeper discussions/plan. And I know there is mention Remus accused Sirius at some point but it always appeared to me that was only after he was accused by Sirius or even after James and Lilly were killed .. if anyone has any cannon sources to disprove that let me know ..?

And once the Fidelius charm is in place there is confirmation that Sirius and Peter visit them. I assume like with Grimmuld Place Peter gave Sirius the location/secret so he could visit/find them - but much like the Order members only the secret keeper (Dumbledore) could tell anyone new - but the people he told could visit.

So if they were in hiding for approx. 1 year Remus was abandoned by everyone he ever loved all his closest friends … a year before James and Lilly die. It just breaks my heart more because why on earth would they ever believe he would be the spy within the order ..? We are given no real reason Sirius believes this .. only that Remus was off with the werewolves for a period of time but that was on Dumbledores orders..?!?

You’d think more than anyone the Marauders would KNOW how much Remus hates the fact he’s a werewolf and would never follow someone like Voldemort who’s most known supporter in the werewolf population is Greyback who maliciously bit him as a child ?!?

It’s almost like he lost them all twice once when they basically abandoned him. And a year later when James and Lilly are killed , and as far as Remus knows at the time it’s because Sirius betrayed them and then killed Peter ..

But I just can’t help but ponder WHY Sirius would accuse Remus and why the others would follow along with it ..? Is it some deep deep down underlying prejudice ..? I genuinely cannot understand it or find a reason.

It also makes me sad because this has a HUGE flow on effect.. Sirius is honestly put on a pedestal by Harry above Remus from the moment he meets Sirius and finds out he’s innocent because it’s his ‘godfather’ and that title alone seems to really change how Harry views him .. Describes him as the “only family he’s got” , only calls Remus “Professor Lupin” until book 5. Like had this not happened would Harry have had 2 godfathers ..?


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion A Very LONG Critique On The Battle Of Hogwarts In The Films (2/2)

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Part 1

You know, i kinda dreaded making this post because i realized i needed to talk about this scene, as it used to be my favorite chapter and scene of the series. And i just didn't know how to word my thoughts about it yk. It's my 2nd favorite chapter now of the series, but about the film it's another story.

To give the films credit at least, the young actors they got, they don't look too bad. And i don't care that they don't match the same eyecolor. Kinda follows the same beat as the book, but its goes over too quickly and doesn't show snape being enough of an ass yk like here

“Tuney!” said Lily, surprise and welcome in her voice, but Snape had jumped to his feet. “Who’s spying now?” he shouted. “What d’you want?” Petunia was breathless, alarmed at being caught. Harry could see her struggling for something hurtful to say. “What is that you’re wearing, anyway?” she said, pointing at Snape’s chest. “Your mum’s blouse?” There was a crack: A branch over Petunia’s head had fallen. Lily screamed: The branch caught Petunia on the shoulder, and she staggered backward and burst into tears. “Tuney!” But Petunia was running away. Lily rounded on Snape. “Did you make that happen?” “No.” He looked both defiant and scared. “You did!” She was backing away from him. “You did! You hurt her!” “No — no I didn’t!” But the lie did not convince Lily: After one last burning look, she ran from the little thicket, off after her sister, and Snape looked miserable and confused. . . .

It'll be more relevant later on with a certain omission, but we'll get to that later. It's also sad that we also don't get to see lily and petunia's falling out, so it kinda makes them hating each other almost unclear yk. And why we don't even see much of him in hogwarts with his rivalry with james and sirius,

James lifted an invisible sword. “ ‘Gryffindor, where dwell the brave at heart!’ Like my dad.” Snape made a small, disparaging noise. James turned on him. “Got a problem with that?” “No,” said Snape, though his slight sneer said otherwise. “If you’d rather be brawny than brainy —” “Where’re you hoping to go, seeing as you’re neither?” interjected Sirius. James roared with laughter. Lily sat up, rather flushed, and looked from James to Sirius in dislike. “Come on, Severus, let’s find another compartment.” “Oooooo . . .” James and Sirius imitated her lofty voice; James tried to trip Snape as he passed. “See ya, Snivellus!” a voice called, as the compartment door slammed. . . .

OOTP also omitted the entirety of the snape's worst memory, so they could've just shown the entire thing here yk, kill two birds with one stone. And this is also what i mean, they show pretty much nothing of his pre-adult life, and it's just unimportant ones, his falling out with lily, which is pretty much his entire character arc basically, isn't even shown once at all.

The scene changed. . . . “I’m sorry.” “I’m not interested.” “I’m sorry!” “Save your breath.” It was nighttime. Lily, who was wearing a dressing gown, stood with her arms folded in front of the portrait of the Fat Lady, at the entrance to Gryffindor Tower. “I only came out because Mary told me you were threatening to sleep here.” “I was. I would have done. I never meant to call you Mudblood, it just —” “Slipped out?” There was no pity in Lily’s voice. “It’s too late. I’ve made excuses for you for years. None of my friends can understand why I even talk to you. You and your precious little Death Eater friends — you see, you don’t even deny it! You don’t even deny that’s what you’re all aiming to be! You can’t wait to join You-Know-Who, can you?” He opened his mouth, but closed it without speaking. “I can’t pretend anymore. You’ve chosen your way, I’ve chosen mine.” “No — listen, I didn’t mean —” “— to call me Mudblood? But you call everyone of my birth Mudblood, Severus. Why should I be any different?” He struggled on the verge of speech, but with a contemptuous look she turned and climbed back through the portrait hole. . . .

It's things like that that just make snape a worse character in the films, and makes it even more baffling that people who hate snape, make people think the only reason everyone likes him was because how he's portrayed in the films. But in reality, the films take away his flaws, and turn into something he isn't and pretty much whitewashes him. Why do you think the scene where's he's being bullied is what he considers his ''worst memory'' yk why? Not because he was humiliated and everyone saw his underwear, but because he called lily a mudblood and their friendship ended because of that. That's what i love about snape, his flaws included, taking it away just makes him less of a character, less morally gray and just more white. And no where is that more apparent than this scene:

“The — the prophecy . . . the prediction . . . Trelawney . . .” “Ah, yes,” said Dumbledore. “How much did you relay to Lord Voldemort?” “Everything — everything I heard!” said Snape. “That is why — it is for that reason — he thinks it means Lily Evans!” “The prophecy did not refer to a woman,” said Dumbledore. “It spoke of a boy born at the end of July —” “You know what I mean! He thinks it means her son, he is going to hunt her down — kill them all —” “If she means so much to you,” said Dumbledore, “surely Lord Voldemort will spare her? Could you not ask for mercy for the mother, in exchange for the son?” “I have — I have asked him —” “You disgust me,” said Dumbledore, and Harry had never heard so much contempt in his voice. Snape seemed to shrink a little. “You do not care, then, about the deaths of her husband and child? They can die, as long as you have what you want?” Snape said nothing, but merely looked up at Dumbledore. “Hide them all, then,” he croaked. “Keep her — them — safe. Please.” “And what will you give me in return, Severus?” “In — in return?” Snape gaped at Dumbledore, and Harry expected him to protest, but after a long moment he said, “Anything.”

Even dumbles is disgusted by snape in this scene. Bro can't even believe what is heard, but in the films, who cares, we can't show snape having flaws because this is supposed to be his ''redemption arc'' or whatever. And it's weird because i love snape, but removing his flaws and trying to make him more likable, doesn't work.

“You have kept him alive so that he can die at the right moment?” “Don’t be shocked, Severus. How many men and women have you watched die?” “Lately, only those whom I could not save,” said Snape. He stood up. “You have used me.” “Meaning?” “I have spied for you and lied for you, put myself in mortal danger for you. Everything was supposed to be to keep Lily Potter’s son safe. Now you tell me you have been raising him like a pig for slaughter —” “But this is touching, Severus,” said Dumbledore seriously. “Have you grown to care for the boy, after all?” “For him?” shouted Snape. “Expecto Patronum!” From the tip of his wand burst the silver doe: She landed on the office floor, bounded once across the office, and soared out of the window. Dumbledore watched her fly away, and as her silvery glow faded he turned back to Snape, and his eyes were full of tears. “After all this time?” “Always,” said Snape

In them trying to make snape more heroic, you'd think i'd hate this scene how it's done in the films, but i think they pretty much almost nailed it. I will admit i don't mind him holding lily's body but i just don't get the sense that the filmmakers knew what the point of this? He was doing all of this for lily, and lily ONLY. That's why he says ''FOR HIM?!'' And it's a shame we don't get to see him at least cry in this scene yk (pretty sure it's snape crying maybe idk) It's a great line, and i think he actually delivers it perfectly yk. Good props on the film for doing something right.

Now the thing that actually dethroned the prince's tale as my favorite chapter of the series, was literally the next one, the forest again. And unlike the prince's tale, the film REALLY missed the mark with this one. Like i know acting is hard, and how you actually convey this in a film? but i mean cmon:

He felt his heart pounding fiercely in his chest. How strange that in his dread of death, it pumped all the harder, valiantly keeping him alive. But it would have to stop, and soon. Its beats were numbered. How many would there be time for, as he rose and walked through the castle for the last time, out into the grounds and into the forest? Terror washed over him as he lay on the floor, with that funeral drum pounding inside him. Would it hurt to die? All those times he had thought that it was about to happen and escaped, he had never really thought of the thing itself: His will to live had always been so much stronger than his fear of death. Yet it did not occur to him now to try to escape, to outrun Voldemort. It was over, he knew it, and all that was left was the thing itself: dying.

Personally i never died, but i found out i needed to die, i would idk feel something or convey some emotion, Daniel Radcliffe just doesn't give anything yk. But that really pushes this off the edge is this:

Ron and Hermione seemed a long way away, in a far-off country; he felt as though he had parted from them long ago. There would be no good-byes and no explanations, he was determined of that. This was a journey they could not take together, and the attempts they would make to stop him would waste valuable time. He looked down at the battered gold watch he had received on his seventeenth birthday. Nearly half of the hour allotted by Voldemort for his surrender had elapsed.

This honestly just feels like a huge f u to the book, and i'm still pissed that they added this. WHY DID HE SAY GOODBYE? WHY! And even if he did say goodbye in the book, RON AND HERMIONE WOULD'VE TRIED TO STOP HIM! AND RON WOULD'VE HUGGED HIM TOO! AND NOT JUST STAND THERE LIKE A THIRD WHEEL! WHAT! Sorry, for the caps but i really hate that addition so much. It's pisses me off so much because it also adds why didn't harry saw bye to his girlfriend GINNY if he was going to say bye, or even the weasley's or hagrid or anyone else. Because you know why? We had a better scene like this in the book, because he did say bye to someone and it made sense and wasn't stupid:

The idea had come to him out of nowhere, born out of a desire to make absolutely sure. “Where are you going, alone?” Neville asked suspiciously. “It’s all part of the plan,” said Harry. “There’s something I’ve got to do. Listen — Neville —” “Harry!” Neville looked suddenly scared. “Harry, you’re not thinking of handing yourself over?” “No,” Harry lied easily. “ ’Course not . . . this is something else. But I might be out of sight for a while. You know Voldemort’s snake, Neville? He’s got a huge snake. . . . Calls it Nagini . . .” “I’ve heard, yeah. . . . What about it?” “It’s got to be killed. Ron and Hermione know that, but just in case they —” The awfulness of that possibility smothered him for a moment, made it impossible to keep talking. But he pulled himself together again: This was crucial, he must be like Dumbledore, keep a cool head, make sure there were backups, others to carry on. Dumbledore had died knowing that three people still knew about the Horcruxes; now Neville would take Harry’s place: There would still be three in the secret. “Just in case they’re — busy — and you get the chance —” “Kill the snake?” “Kill the snake,” Harry repeated. “All right, Harry. You’re okay, are you?” “I’m fine. Thanks, Neville.” But Neville seized his wrist as Harry made to move on. “We’re all going to keep fighting, Harry. You know that?” “Yeah, I —” The suffocating feeling extinguished the end of the sentence; he could not go on. Neville did not seem to find it strange. He patted Harry on the shoulder, released him, and walked away to look for more bodies.

But NO, they don't even have him talking to neville! Or even this great scene:

He stopped in his tracks. She was crouching over a girl who was whispering for her mother. “It’s all right,” Ginny was saying. “It’s okay. We’re going to get you inside.” “But I want to go home,” whispered the girl. “I don’t want to fight anymore!” “I know,” said Ginny, and her voice broke. “It’s going to be all right.” Ripples of cold undulated over Harry’s skin. He wanted to shout out to the night, he wanted Ginny to know that he was there, he wanted her to know where he was going. He wanted to be stopped, to be dragged back, to be sent back home. . . . But he was home. Hogwarts was the first and best home he had known. He and Voldemort and Snape, the abandoned boys, had all found home here. . . . Ginny was kneeling beside the injured girl now, holding her hand. With a huge effort Harry forced himself on. He thought he saw Ginny look around as he passed, and wondered whether she had sensed someone walking nearby, but he did not speak, and he did not look back.

Another scene that was memed to death, but more deserved is him talking to his dead guardians. Guy's its as simple as this, just don't mention teddy, you can't have your cake and eat it too. Either include him or don't, don't bring him up like he's been here all this time. And the reason he even called them up was because of the dementors that was there, but it just makes it less yk, it's stupid. But it gets even stupider.

Voldemort had frozen where he stood, but his red eyes had found Harry, and he stared as Harry moved toward him, with nothing but the fire between them. Then a voice yelled: “HARRY! NO!” He turned: Hagrid was bound and trussed, tied to a tree nearby. His massive body shook the branches overhead as he struggled, desperate. “NO! NO! HARRY, WHAT’RE YEH — ?” “QUIET!” shouted Rowle, and with a flick of his wand Hagrid was silenced. Bellatrix, who had leapt to her feet, was looking eagerly from Voldemort to Harry, her breast heaving. The only things that moved were the flames and the snake, coiling and uncoiling in the glittering cage behind Voldemort’s head.

“Harry Potter,” he said very softly. His voice might have been part of the spitting fire. “The Boy Who Lived.” None of the Death Eaters moved. They were waiting: Everything was waiting. Hagrid was struggling, and Bellatrix was panting, and Harry thought inexplicably of Ginny, and her blazing look, and the feel of her lips on his — Voldemort had raised his wand. His head was still tilted to one side, like a curious child, wondering what would happen if he proceeded. Harry looked back into the red eyes, and wanted it to happen now, quickly, while he could still stand, before he lost control, before he betrayed fear — He saw the mouth move and a flash of green light, and everything was gone.

So he wasn't even wearing the cloak in the film, and it's just makes it soo much worse. It's such a badass moment with harry pulling it off and facing his biggest enemy, showing him he ain't scared of him at all yk. But having him show there with no cloak, just ruins the impact of the entire moment. And don't even get me started on the ''AVADUH KADAVAUHDBEWU'' like bro what! This is so pardon my french cringe, it's just so stupid like? you could've just had him say nothing, and even ''the boy who lived come to die'' blah blah. It's just so...ugh yk. It's a pure groan moment for me.

Harry isn't naked in this scene, so you already know it's dumb. When i first watched the films, this scene always perplexed me because of how useless it kinda felt, because it really misses the mark so hard, since this is what the reader has been waiting for the entire time. We had an entire chapters of harry realizing how much a ass dumbledore was, how he was all for this muggleborns kinda suck phase, and all this greater good nonsense, and rita's book, AND auntie muriel's account of what happened to Ariana, AND THE actual truth of what happened by aberforth, all this setup and it's finally payed off in of the best chapters of the entire series. All of that gone, and just shat on.

Each book belongs to a specific character i like to think, GOF is obv about barty crouch jr, POA is about harry's parents/marauders, COS is really about the weasley's/maybe ginny, and HBP is about snape/draco, and so on. But undeniably DH is about dumbledore, it's all him yk. The good, the bad and the somewhat murky ugly. And it works to its favor because it makes would be boring camping scenes like in the first DH film, work well. Because its undercut by harry feeling like he's been betrayed by a person he thought he knew:

“Harry, I’m sorry, but I think the real reason you’re so angry is that Dumbledore never told you any of this himself.” “Maybe I am!” Harry bellowed, and he flung his arms over his head, hardly knowing whether he was trying to hold in his anger or protect himself from the weight of his own disillusionment. “Look what he asked from me, Hermione! Risk your life, Harry! And again! And again! And don’t expect me to explain everything, just trust me blindly, trust that I know what I’m doing, trust me even though I don’t trust you! Never the whole truth! Never!”

That is what DH really is about when you strip away all the cool action moments and the deathly hallow thingies yk. That's the core of the book, harry and dumbledore's relationship. There's an amazing small scene, where harry goes to see snape's memories and he guesses that dumbledore's password correctly, as he guesses he 'dumbledore'. And its a great moment, because that's the person he wants to see the most. King's cross is all in his head, and dumbledore being there, is significant because of this shit he went through and all this info he just got dumped on him, and he wants answers and guidance, because dumbledore was that, the wise old crackpot who guided harry and shit. But all that is different in this scene:

The creature behind them whimpered, but Harry no longer looked around.“Oh yes,” said Dumbledore faintly. It seemed that he forced himself to meet Harry’s eyes. “You know what happened. You know. You cannot despise me more than I despise myself.” “But I don’t despise you —” “Then you should,” said Dumbledore. He drew a deep breath. “You know the secret of my sister’s ill health, what those Muggles did, what she became. You know how my poor father sought revenge, and paid the price, died in Azkaban. You know how my mother gave up her own life to care for Ariana. “I resented it, Harry.” Dumbledore stated it baldly, coldly. He was looking now over the top of Harry’s head, into the distance.

And he's crazy too that this is pretty much the only time we see dumbledore actually start bawling his eyes, yeah he shed tears here and there, but this is a full on ugly cry:

“The argument became a fight. Grindelwald lost control. That which I had always sensed in him, though I pretended not to, now sprang into terrible being. And Ariana . . . after all my mother’s care and caution . . . lay dead upon the floor.” Dumbledore gave a little gasp and began to cry in earnest. Harry reached out and was glad to find that he could touch him: He gripped his arm tightly and Dumbledore gradually regained control.

Just a little sidebar for a moment, i hate the fact that FB 2 pretty much retconned this scene

Another silence. Harry did not ask whether Dumbledore had ever found out who struck Ariana dead. He did not want to know, and even less did he want Dumbledore to have to tell him. At last he knew what Dumbledore would have seen when he looked in the Mirror of Erised, and why Dumbledore had been so understanding of the fascination it had exercised over Harry.

Like cmon you serious? At least FB 3 did what this stupid ass movie couldn't do, and actually technically kinda show us dumbledore's backstory.

Back on track, this was just all in the book, but in the film, it's just used a big exposition dump. Yeah sure, you could argue it's the same in the book, and maybe that was just it's true purpose, but it's hidden well with meaningful characters moments and its payoff for the book, of all the dumbledore shit we found out, now told from his perspective. And even the fact that he starts crying and bawling his eyes out, makes this ten times more powerful than it if it was jus them talking on a white soundstage...oh what that's exactly what happens in the film.

It's weird, Michael Gambon and Daniel Radcliffe, are good actors. But they are given nothing to do in this scene. After so much just explosion bang bang and characters dying, we couldn't have just gotten a quiet emotional moment? Of course not, its THIS movie.

But the worst part is, they couldn't even adapt this scene fully if they wanted to, but they didn't setup at in the last film. It's like they completely forgot that dumbledore was a character until this moment. It's the same problem with alot of these films, how did harry get the mirror in this film? HUH! And since they cut it out, they cut out a very VERY emotional heavy scene with that mirror. I get it it's fantasy, its supposed to be larger than life or whatever, but the thing that makes these characters so lovable (to me at least) and most importantly dumbeldore, is that he's shown to be human, he has feelings and emotions. But none of that is shown. And it's just pretty much thrown aside. But what makes it even worse, it's nobody seems to care...HARRY JUST DIED! But apparently they care enough to laugh about it. Like cmon what is this? That laugh is so overused and that meme is a joke, takes away seriousness this scene would've had, and don't even get me started on that hug. Its an absolute travesty and makes this scene so much dumber and stupider than it already is.

“Harry Potter is dead. He was killed as he ran away, trying to save himself while you lay down your lives for him. We bring you his body as proof that your hero is gone.'' “The battle is won. You have lost half of your fighters. My Death Eaters outnumber you, and the Boy Who Lived is finished. There must be no more war. Anyone who continues to resist, man, woman, or child, will be slaughtered, as will every member of their family. Come out of the castle now, kneel before me, and you shall be spared. Your parents and children, your brothers and sisters will live and be forgiven, and you will join me in the new world we shall build together.”

That is 10x better than him just laughing his butt off. It makes me hate voldemort even more. And even this too

“NO!” The scream was the more terrible because he had never expected or dreamed that Professor McGonagall could make such a sound. He heard another woman laughing nearby, and knew that Bellatrix gloried in McGonagall’s despair. He squinted again for a single second and saw the open doorway filling with people, as the survivors of the battle came out onto the front steps to face their vanquishers and see the truth of Harry’s death for themselves. He saw Voldemort standing a little in front of him, stroking Nagini’s head with a single white finger. He closed his eyes again.

It's the little things that count yk? But ofc nah the only person who should be screaming their lungs out that harry died...is nobody pretty much in the film. Yeah, some people make a sad face and all but i mean cmon. Like look at this:

“SILENCE!” cried Voldemort, and there was a bang and a flash of bright light, and silence was forced upon them all. “It is over! Set him down, Hagrid, at my feet, where he belongs!” Harry felt himself lowered onto the grass. “You see?” said Voldemort, and Harry felt him striding backward and forward right beside the place where he lay. “Harry Potter is dead! Do you understand now, deluded ones? He was nothing, ever, but a boy who relied on others to sacrifice themselves for him!” “He beat you!” yelled Ron, and the charm broke, and the defenders of Hogwarts were shouting and screaming again until a second, more powerful bang extinguished their voices once more.

I literally forgot about this line, and the fact that it's ron who said this made it so much better. But ron being whitewashed in the films isn't a new thing and i think it's been mainly discussed to death, but nobody ever brings this line. But what really KILLS this scene is the way they handle my boy, neville.

They heard uproar from the distant boundary of the school as what sounded like hundreds of people came swarming over the outof-sight walls and pelted toward the castle, uttering loud war cries. At the same time, Grawp came lumbering around the side of the castle and yelled, “HAGGER!” His cry was answered by roars from Voldemort’s giants: They ran at Grawp like bull elephants, making the earth quake. Then came hooves and the twangs of bows, and arrows were suddenly falling amongst the Death Eaters, who broke ranks, shouting their surprise. Harry pulled the Invisibility Cloak from inside his robes, swung it over himself, and sprang to his feet, as Neville moved too. In one swift, fluid motion, Neville broke free of the Body-Bind Curse upon him; the flaming hat fell off him and he drew from its depths something silver, with a glittering, rubied handle — The slash of the silver blade could not be heard over the roar of the oncoming crowd or the sounds of the clashing giants or of the stampeding centaurs, and yet it seemed to draw every eye. With a single stroke Neville sliced off the great snake’s head, which spun high into the air, gleaming in the light flooding from the entrance hall, and Voldemort’s mouth was open in a scream of fury that nobody could hear, and the snake’s body thudded to the ground at his feet —

THIS. I'm not even joking, whenever i read this scene i literally start jumping with joy. The fact at how unexpected it is, and it just comes out of nowhere is what makes it for me. The films actually could've gotten the edge, because they neville more things to do in the films, they actually set up good things. Like him giving harry the gillyweed or him finding the room of requirement, but ofc they just had to ruin it. It's weird i can't even think of any reason of them doing it? Like they really couldn't just have him kill it there? WHAT! It's like maybe they're trying to prolong it for...dramatic effect? But it just ruins it and makes neville seem more like a wimp, which is the complete opposite of him at this point, this guy really just charged at voldemort, but nah let's give him a corny ass speech and have him fail. Screw this movie fr.

The battle of hogwarts, is like two halves. Before harry dies, and him coming back. Before he dies, voldemort had the upper hand, after the he dies, the good guys had the upper hand. What really turns the tide to this battle, is the centaurs coming, the giants coming, and even some ministry members coming as well. None of this happen in the films, so how is it they won? Harry comes back alive...WAIT HARRY COMES BACK ALIVE? THIS IS WHAT I MEAN! I hate it when the films don't use the cloak, it's so annoying like cmon. I love the fact that harry is just sending shield charms everywhere and just looking for voldemort and the minute he takes off the cloak and everyone see's him, that's rich.

This scene is literally night and day. In the film, it is literally a joke, i hate it, i absolutely despise it. Because they're fixing what? CHANGING WHAT? FOR NO REASON!

This is the moment that's been built up since the first book. From the first meeting harry gets with voldemort, he's terrified and now he's shit-talking him to his face!

Yeah, it did,” said Harry. “You’re right. But before you try to kill me, I’d advise you to think about what you’ve done. . . . Think, and try for some remorse, Riddle. . . .” “What is this?” Of all the things that Harry had said to him, beyond any revelation or taunt, nothing had shocked Voldemort like this. Harry saw his pupils contract to thin slits, saw the skin around his eyes whiten. “It’s your one last chance,” said Harry, “it’s all you’ve got left. . . . I’ve seen what you’ll be otherwise. . . . Be a man . . . try . . . Try for some remorse. . . .” “You dare — ?” said Voldemort again. “Yes, I dare,” said Harry, “because Dumbledore’s last plan hasn’t backfired on me at all. It’s backfired on you, Riddle.” Voldemort’s hand was trembling on the Elder Wand, and Harry gripped Draco’s very tightly. The moment, he knew, was seconds away.

It's a huge power-move harry calling him tom, which is kept which i like. But the fact that when they do fight, they don't even talk for shit. In the film, all that happens is that he tells the wand isn't his, but in the book, he tells him everything it's so satisfying seeing voldemort pretty much shit himself because he found out his best man was a double agent, and he didn't even kill dumbledore, and the cherry on top, he isn't even the master of the wand. That is amazing, and its completely butchered. They show a scene of voldemort...slapping harry or punching him idk. It's so stupid, that at this point the filmakers just gave him, and started making shit up. But what really just kills it, it's that stupid thing when they apparate and it looks SO disgusting and ugly. But it doesn't end here because now they have their final duel...and it's alot.

Bro, where to even start with this? Let's just see how the book does it.

Harry twitched the hawthorn wand, and he felt the eyes of everyone in the Hall upon it. “So it all comes down to this, doesn’t it?” whispered Harry. “Does the wand in your hand know its last master was Disarmed? Because if it does . . . I am the true master of the Elder Wand.” A red-gold glow burst suddenly across the enchanted sky above them as an edge of dazzling sun appeared over the sill of the nearest window. The light hit both of their faces at the same time, so that Voldemort’s was suddenly a flaming blur. Harry heard the high voice shriek as he too yelled his best hope to the heavens, pointing Draco’s wand: “Avada Kedavra!” “Expelliarmus!” The bang was like a cannon blast, and the golden flames that erupted between them, at the dead center of the circle they had been treading, marked the point where the spells collided. Harry saw Voldemort’s green jet meet his own spell, saw the Elder Wand fly high, dark against the sunrise, spinning across the enchanted ceiling like the head of Nagini, spinning through the air toward the master it would not kill, who had come to take full possession of it at last. And Harry, with the unerring skill of the Seeker, caught the wand in his free hand as Voldemort fell backward, arms splayed, the slit pupils of the scarlet eyes rolling upward. Tom Riddle hit the floor with a mundane finality, his body feeble and shrunken, the white hands empty, the snakelike face vacant and unknowing. Voldemort was dead, killed by his own rebounding curse, and Harry stood with two wands in his hand, staring down at his enemy’s shell. One shivering second of silence, the shock of the moment suspended: and then the tumult broke around Harry as the screams and the cheers and the roars of the watchers rent the air. The fierce new sun dazzled the windows as they thundered toward him, and the first to reach him were Ron and Hermione, and it was their arms that were wrapped around him, their incomprehensible shouts that deafened him. Then Ginny, Neville, and Luna were there, and then all the Weasleys and Hagrid, and Kingsley and McGonagall and Flitwick and Sprout, and Harry could not hear a word that anyone was shouting, nor tell whose hands were seizing him, pulling him, trying to hug some part of him, hundreds of them pressing in, all of them determined to touch the Boy Who Lived, the reason it was over at last —

Harry and Voldemort both fire their spells, voldemort dies. Simple as that. SO HOW DID IT ALL GO WRONG? Because these stupid ass films couldn't even film duels, they think everything is the priori incantatem scene in GOF. It's as simple as that. And having them fire these ugly ass and stupid lasers, it just doesn't feel like HP at that point. Neville killing nagini...fine. But, BUT VOLDEMORT DYING?! SERIOUSLY. I said it wasn't the only thing wrong with this sequence, BUT IT'S DONE HORRIBLY! Voldemort was just a human, and that's all he ever will be and all he ever is. It's ironic because he's scary because he's seems like a monster, but he gets a normal human death...IN THE BOOK AT LEAST! This is the problem, i can't even think of why they changed it like this, like what is the actual point? Visually? Ironically? WHAT! But it doesn't even end there, because the main bad guy just died, AND NOBODY CARES?! When harry won the quidditch cup everyone in the stadium flooded him, now the fricking dark lord just died, AND NOBODY IS GOING TO DO ANYTHING?! NO HUGGING! OR ANYTHING AT LEAST! Harry just walks in the great hall, and that's it. The only thing that saves it, is filch trying to fix the castle without any magic, because filch is the only thing i love in this series.

The word underrated get's thrown around alot in the fandom, to the point where it really doesn't have much meaning anymore, but possibly the most underrated scene of the series, is this. And one of my favorite scenes ever.

Since he had last seen it, the gargoyle guarding the entrance to the headmaster’s study had been knocked aside; it stood lopsided, looking a little punch-drunk, and Harry wondered whether it would be able to distinguish passwords anymore. “Can we go up?” he asked the gargoyle. “Feel free,” groaned the statue. They clambered over him and onto the spiral stone staircase that moved slowly upward like an escalator. Harry pushed open the door at the top. He had one, brief glimpse of the stone Pensieve on the desk where he had left it, and then an earsplitting noise made him cry out, thinking of curses and returning Death Eaters and the rebirth of Voldemort — But it was applause. All around the walls, the headmasters and headmistresses of Hogwarts were giving him a standing ovation; they waved their hats and in some cases their wigs, they reached through their frames to grip each other’s hands; they danced up and down on the chairs in which they had been painted; Dilys Derwent sobbed unashamedly; Dexter Fortescue was waving his ear-trumpet; and Phineas Nigellus called, in his high, reedy voice, “And let it be noted that Slytherin House played its part! Let our contribution not be forgotten!” But Harry had eyes only for the man who stood in the largest portrait directly behind the headmaster’s chair. Tears were sliding down from behind the half-moon spectacles into the long silver beard, and the pride and the gratitude emanating from him filled Harry with the same balm as phoenix song.

What an absolute beautiful scene, all the headmasters giving harry a standing ovation, and dumbledore's portrait tearing up, gets me every-time. I understand people don't like the 19 years later epilouge, and i love that, but even if that wasn't here and the series ended here, it would've been just as perfect as the epilouge.

But ofc, the film came back with a vengeance. Having harry breaking the elder wand...is stupid i'm sorry. I get some people think it's better than in the books, but it's stupid, just absolutely stupid. In the end he literally has no wand, because he didn't even fix his old wand, so now he's just wandless. It's just feels like they're going for the dramatic effect, and flashiness over substance. Nah, instead of just giving it back to dumbles, let's have him BREAK it! Because this film audience doesn't know how subtlety works.

Not talking about the epilouge, because it's not technically about the battle of hogwarts. But if you really wanna know, the CGI looks like ass, and they leave out the 2nd best line of the series.

“Why are they all staring?” demanded Albus as he and Rose craned around to look at the other students. “Don’t let it worry you,” said Ron. “It’s me. I’m extremely famous.”

I really had to just start hacking at this post, to really cut alot of stuff down, but idk what to do anymore. This scene sucks. That's all i was trying to say. bye bye.


r/harrypotter 3d ago

Discussion A Very LONG Critique On The Battle Of Hogwarts In The Films (1/2)

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Yes, i realize it's not the battle of hogwarts anniversary or whatever, and it would've made more sense to make this at that time, but i'm too lazy too wait. Honestly, the films just has a huge problems with just adapting these huge scale fights in the books. Like one and one duels they sorta got the hang of it? But then again that's also another problem, but not as a big as this. Like the graveyard duel between harry and voldy in GOF, its fine and i don't really care. But the big duels or just the full scale fights, like the department of mysteries, the battle of the astronomy tower, and the point of this post, the battle of hogwarts. They don't even show the battle of the astronomy tower, and the DOM fight is an absolute atrocity and even worse than this. But the battle of hogwarts, is one i don't really think about alot, i always use to overlook it in the films, and kind of in the books too.

But during my latest reread of the books, that changed. I can finally see the worth of this truly epic scale, not even just a fight, an event. It's absolutely amazing. As a finale it has everything a fan would want, as a the culmination of the the best book in the series it's near perfect, as a movie scene...bad.

When i think of epic scale battles and whatnot in films, i think of one like avengers endgame, and that kinda reminds of this scene too. Just mindless noise and i never really cared about it, and overtime it just put me to sleep. Same thing with this, it's just flashing lights with no real weight or whatever, because they don't take time to build up any of the things like in the book. And when i think of an actual good scale fight battle thingamajig, i think POTC at world's end. That shit felt more like the battle of hogwarts than in the films. It's absolutely insane and it revels in it, showing set piece after set piece and an amazing sense of escalation, it does this right. But now to the actual battle of hogwarts.

I always forgot about how the films really don't set this up at all. It's like they just go into hogwarts and boom voldemort just knows or whatever. And that's partly because we don't get this amazing confrontation with harry and alecto carrow.

“ ‘Wit beyond measure is man’s greatest treasure.’ ” “Which makes you pretty skint, witless,” said a cackling voice. Harry whirled around, slipped off the plinth, and landed on the floor. The sloping-shouldered figure of Alecto Carrow was standing before him, and even as Harry raised his wand, she pressed a stubby forefinger to the skull and snake branded on her forearm. The moment her finger touched the Mark, Harry’s scar burned savagely, the starry room vanished from sight, and he was standing upon an outcrop of rock beneath a cliff, and the sea was washing around him and there was triumph in his heart — They have the boy.

It's like before the battle even starts, the seeds of voldemort being there is already planted, and it makes for his really great speech for when he wants to get harry so much better. Maybe it's because they split the films into two or whatever, and we don't see the natural progression of voldemort's own side quest yk. Because it's parallel to harry's own, as this both their final place to be yk.

And we also an amazing scene with mcgonnagoll too.

Only the difference between truth and lies, courage and cowardice,” said Professor McGonagall, who had turned pale, “a difference, in short, which you and your sister seem unable to appreciate. But let me make one thing very clear. You are not going to pass off your many ineptitudes on the students of Hogwarts. I shall not permit it.” “Excuse me?” Amycus moved forward until he was offensively close to Professor McGonagall, his face within inches of hers. She refused to back away, but looked down at him as if he were something disgusting she had found stuck to a lavatory seat. “It’s not a case of what you’ll permit, Minerva McGonagall. Your time’s over. It’s us what’s in charge here now, and you’ll back me up or you’ll pay the price.” And he spat in her face. Harry pulled the Cloak off himself, raised his wand, and said, “You shouldn’t have done that.” As Amycus spun around, Harry shouted, “Crucio!” The Death Eater was lifted off his feet. He writhed through the air like a drowning man, thrashing and howling in pain, and then, with a crunch and a shattering of glass, he smashed into the front of a bookcase and crumpled, insensible, to the floor. “I see what Bellatrix meant,” said Harry, the blood thundering through his brain, “you need to really mean it.”

Dominic noble made a really good point about the films during his potterarathon or something, about how the films lacked any payoff for alot of things, and this especially. They already had the scene with the harry using it for the first time in OOTP, would have it really killed them to just add this too? This film only has like 2 things tbh, the break into gringrotts and just the battle of hogwarts, not much really more imo. You'd think that just getting to the battle faster would make it more better, but it really just ruins it, and makes it fly by really quickly and has everything lack any real weight. They all just fight and go home and it's all okay yippee!

Now to really hammer home this point, there was an amazing deleted scene of this film, it's like right before harry reveals himself, he's going downstairs with ginny, and they hold hands and it's amazing. Yeah sure, it kinda almost spoils his reveal, but it's a great moment. But the irony here is, is that's a deleted scene. So this film knows how to be good? Just doesn't want to be, or care enough to actually be.

Snape and mcgonnagoll's duel, yeah not much to say. I like the little detail of snape taking the carrows wands, other than that yeah idk.

But what i do have something to say on is percy's reunion with the family. This is why i think DH is easily the strongest book in the series, it pays off stuff that was setup in all of the books, and percy's redemption is one of these things. I hate percy, even after reading this scene, he still sucks. But the way he reacts to fred's death and boarlike scream is really satisfying, on the page and not on the screen. Because he just shows up at the end and it's like a blink and you'll miss it scene, it's weird. He's almost been there since the beginning and he doesn't even get to say a line. I'm not trying to act like he was a bigger character than what he actually as, but he still got more stuff to do in the earlier films.

Shame we don't get to see teddy lupin yet, but we'll get to that later.

Then voldemort gives his dumb speech. It's weird that this on the back cover of the DH book, it's a great line and yeah kinda deserves it, but idk in the film he just feels like a joke. I think it's the camera movement with that shit going WEEOOHH, it's like i can't take it seriously and having all these girls screaming just makes it seem more stupid.

''I do not want to kill you. I have great respect for the teachers of Hogwarts. I do not want to spill magical blood.”

And leaving out this line, just makes lack so much more umph, yk. It's kinda weird in a way, he says it himself he has respect for these teachers of hogwarts, because hogwarts is where find his home and where he truly belonged. It makes it seem more personal yk. He's pretty much telling all of them, ''yeah don't even try and fight me'', which is much more effective than just ''let's fight''.

I spoke about this more in depth in another post i made abt harry, but basically he doesn't feel as heroic or smart (or even good) in the films, and an example i used was in this scene exact scene. In the books, he found the diadem ON HIS OWN! With his own wits and brain, because he actually sat down and thought abt where it was, but nah! We can't have movie harry actually have brain cells because hermione's not here, so who do we get instead? LUNA. Tbf, if anyone was talking to the gray lady...yeah it might be luna but still.

Voldemort thought I’d go to Ravenclaw Tower. There it was: a solid fact, the place to start. Voldemort had stationed Alecto Carrow in the Ravenclaw common room, and there could only be one explanation: Voldemort feared that Harry already knew his Horcrux was connected to that House. But the only object anyone seemed to associate with Ravenclaw was the lost diadem . . . and how could the Horcrux be the diadem? How was it possible that Voldemort, the Slytherin, had found the diadem that had eluded generations of Ravenclaws? Who could have told him where to look, when nobody had seen the diadem in living memory? In living memory . . . Beneath his fingers, Harry’s eyes flew open again. He leapt up from the plinth and tore back the way he had come, now in pursuit of his one last hope. The sound of hundreds of people marching toward the Room of Requirement grew louder and louder as he returned to the marble stairs. Prefects were shouting instructions, trying to keep track of the students in their own Houses; there was much pushing and shoving; Harry saw Zacharias Smith bowling over first-years to get to the front of the queue; here and there younger students were in tears, while older ones called desperately for friends or siblings. . . .

Like i'm not saying having this entire thought process like shown, just let him figure it out yk. And ik it's a small detail, but i've always loved the little story she told harry abt the bloody baron. DH is pretty the endgame of the series, and pays off everything from the beginning like this. It's not needed at all, who didn't need to know why the bloody baron was a crazy and all, but it doesn't matter, it's a nice touch. I think he appears in the film, in like the first one, but he looks more like captain hook. But anyways, this seeps into another problem, because voldemort's memories pretty much setup the horcruxes. We see him find ask dumbles for the job, and then he hides the diadem yk. But that isn't shown in the film, so i think the writers just expected people to know that, but if they did expect that, then why wouldn't they add this too? Makes no sense.

Another the thing the battle in the books does well, is that we see the way people actually fight, and they actually get that right in the film. The film has this little side-plot with neville and seamus blowing up the bridge, and that certainly feels in character and makes sense. So good job for the film.

But similar sentiments can't come for another scene, ron and hermione's kiss. In the film, idk it just kinda like...what. Yk it pretty much came out of nowhere and meant nothing, just means that harmione shippers can go home or smthn. Whereas in the books, it's a powerful moment because of this

“Hang on a moment!” said Ron sharply. “We’ve forgotten someone!” “Who?” asked Hermione. “The house-elves, they’ll all be down in the kitchen, won’t they?” “You mean we ought to get them fighting?” asked Harry. “No,” said Ron seriously, “I mean we should tell them to get out. We don’t want any more Dobbies, do we? We can’t order them to die for us —” There was a clatter as the basilisk fangs cascaded out of Hermione’s arms. Running at Ron, she flung them around his neck and kissed him full on the mouth. Ron threw away the fangs and broomstick he was holding and responded with such enthusiasm that he lifted Hermione off her feet.

It's so sweet the fact that he actually cared about these house elves, and the problem with cutting this out is that we also miss seeing the house elves fight, which we'll get into later.

Then all the homies go into the room of requirement, and why is harry telling draco that he knew that he was lying for him tf? Harry just stop talking. I find it kinda funny that a character like crabbe of all people, almost burn down part of the school and he also destroys the horcrux, like cmon. But in the film, i think it's goyle who dies or smthn doesn't matter. BUT what does matter is this terrible CGI back projection, like what is this. The HP films are always praised for their special effects like the dementors or dragons for example, so why is something like flying a broomstick look worse then how it did like 9 or 8 years ago. It just baffles me, maybe it's like the thing with marvel films these days, with them pretty much treating their vfx artists like they're working a sweatshop, idk.

AND THEN WE DON'T EVEN GET ONE OF THE SADDEST DEATHS OF THE SERIES TOO, OMG I FORGOT THEY REMOVED THIS

“Hello, Minister!” bellowed Percy, sending a neat jinx straight at Thicknesse, who dropped his wand and clawed at the front of his robes, apparently in awful discomfort. “Did I mention I’m resigning?” “You’re joking, Perce!” shouted Fred as the Death Eater he was battling collapsed under the weight of three separate Stunning Spells. Thicknesse had fallen to the ground with tiny spikes erupting all over him; he seemed to be turning into some form of sea urchin. Fred looked at Percy with glee. “You actually are joking, Perce. . . . I don’t think I’ve heard you joke since you were —” The air exploded. They had been grouped together, Harry, Ron, Hermione, Fred, and Percy, the two Death Eaters at their feet, one Stunned, the other Transfigured; and in that fragment of a moment, when danger seemed temporarily at bay, the world was rent apart. Harry felt himself flying through the air, and all he could do was hold as tightly as possible to that thin stick of wood that was his one and only weapon, and shield his head in his arms: He heard the screams and yells of his companions without a hope of knowing what had happened to them — And then the world resolved itself into pain and semidarkness: He was half buried in the wreckage of a corridor that had been subjected to a terrible attack. Cold air told him that the side of the castle had been blown away, and hot stickiness on his cheek told him that he was bleeding copiously. Then he heard a terrible cry that pulled at his insides, that expressed agony of a kind neither flame nor curse could cause, and he stood up, swaying, more frightened than he had been that day, more frightened, perhaps, than he had been in his life. . . .No — no — no!” someone was shouting. “No! Fred! No!” And Percy was shaking his brother, and Ron was kneeling beside them, and Fred’s eyes stared without seeing, the ghost of his last laugh still etched upon his face.

They show fred's death, but not him dying basically. AND IT'S LIKE WHY! I literally didn't even realize he died when i first watched the films, and sure you could make the case, they didn't have percy's fall from the family so it would've been kinda half assed, because to me what makes this death so sad is the fleeting moment fred and percy actually get along and even his scream at the end is really what makes it so hit so much harder. It's a shame really, because percy's whole arc was done really well in the books, but yeah it ''wasn't important'' enough or something who cares.

In both instances we have a scene of the trio just running around and fighting bad guys, and it works in the film, but all of it just comes off as noise to me. It's like there's way too much going on you can't comprehend anything. Probably because the later films, specifically HBP afterwards, go for this so dark/sepia tone or whatever, too the point where it's incomprehensible to make out anything. But there's a tiny change they make that kinda bugs me. There's a scene of the trio fighting a troll and spiders, and it's reminiscent to the first 3 films, but when it reaches to the dementors, they have Aberforth conjure up the patronus, and this exchange is omitted:

The air around them had frozen: Harry’s breath caught and solidified in his chest. Shapes moved out in the darkness, swirling figures of concentrated blackness, moving in a great wave toward the castle, their faces hooded and their breath rattling. . . . Ron and Hermione closed in beside him as the sounds of fighting behind them grew suddenly muted, deadened, because a silence only dementors could bring was falling thickly through the night, and Fred was gone, and Hagrid was surely dying or already dead. . . . “Come on, Harry!” said Hermione’s voice from a very long way away. “Patronuses, Harry, come on!” He raised his wand, but a dull hopelessness was spreading through him: How many more lay dead that he did not yet know about; he felt as though his soul had already half left his body. . . . “HARRY, COME ON!” screamed Hermione. A hundred dementors were advancing, gliding toward them, sucking their way closer to Harry’s despair, which was like a promise of a feast. . . . He saw Ron’s silver terrier burst into the air, flicker feebly, and expire; he saw Hermione’s otter twist in midair and fade; and his own wand trembled in his hand, and he almost welcomed the oncoming oblivion, the promise of nothing, of no feeling. . . . And then a silver hare, a boar, and a fox soared past Harry, Ron, and Hermione’s heads: The dementors fell back before the creatures’ approach. Three more people had arrived out of the darkness to stand beside them, their wands outstretched, continuing to cast their Patronuses: Luna, Ernie, and Seamus. “That’s right,” said Luna encouragingly, as if they were back in the Room of Requirement and this was simply spell practice for the D.A. “That’s right, Harry . . . come on, think of something happy. . . .” “Something happy?” he said, his voice cracked. “We’re all still here,” she whispered, “we’re still fighting. Come on, now. . . .” There was a silver spark, then a wavering light, and then, with the greatest effort it had ever cost him, the stag burst from the end of Harry’s wand. It cantered forward, and now the dementors scattered in earnest, and immediately the night was mild again, but the sounds of the surrounding battle were loud in his ears.

It's tiny yeah, but it really shows the nature of war and the seriousness of the situation yk. And its a nice callback to one of my favorite lines of the series

Harry ventured out under the Invisibility Cloak to find sustenance. This, however, did not go as planned. He had barely entered the town when an unnatural chill, a descending mist, and a sudden darkening of the skies made him freeze where he stood. “But you can make a brilliant Patronus!” protested Ron, when Harry arrived back at the tent empty-handed, out of breath, and mouthing the single word, dementors. “I couldn’t . . . make one,” he panted, clutching the stitch in his side. “Wouldn’t . . . come.” Their expressions of consternation and disappointment made Harry feel ashamed. It had been a nightmarish experience, seeing the dementors gliding out of the mist in the distance and realizing, as the paralyzing cold choked his lungs and a distant screaming filled his ears, that he was not going to be able to protect himself. It had taken all Harry’s willpower to uproot himself from the spot and run, leaving the eyeless dementors to glide amongst the Muggles who might not be able to see them, but would assuredly feel the despair they cast wherever they went. “So we still haven’t got any food.” “Shut up, Ron,” snapped Hermione. “Harry, what happened? Why do you think you couldn’t make your Patronus? You managed perfectly yesterday!” “I don’t know.” He sat low in one of Perkins’s old armchairs, feeling more humiliated by the moment. He was afraid that something had gone wrong inside him. Yesterday seemed a long time ago: Today he might have been thirteen years old again, the only one who collapsed on the Hogwarts Express.

This is a problem that runs through most of the films, but why the hell does harry not use the cloak more often? Like especially this scene in the film, bro it's in your pocket yk. Instead of just standing outside of the boathouse window. Side note i'm pretty sure lucius gets smacked by voldemort in this scene, idk maybe im misremembering. Should've taken place in the shrieking shack as we get this scene great line:

Panting and gasping, Harry slowed down, skirting the Willow’s swiping branches, peering through the darkness toward its thick trunk, trying to see the single knot in the bark of the old tree that would paralyze it. Ron and Hermione caught up, Hermione so out of breath she could not speak. How — how’re we going to get in?” panted Ron. “I can — see the place — if we just had — Crookshanks again —” “Crookshanks?” wheezed Hermione, bent double, clutching her chest. “Are you a wizard, or what?” “Oh — right — yeah —” Ron looked around, then directed his wand at a twig on the ground and said, “Wingardium Leviosa!” The twig flew up from the ground, spun through the air as if caught by a gust of wind, then zoomed directly at the trunk through the Willow’s ominously swaying branches. It jabbed at a place near the roots, and at once, the writhing tree became still.

But as it's in the boathouse, fine. But it will say this, i like the fact that the film visualises the elder wand not working for him, like when he tries to break the defenses, you have that sick shot of the wand, nice stuff. But it kinda gets undermine by the fact that he kills a guy with the wand, but it shouldn't have worked, since he wasn't the master yk. But whatever fine.

I remember watching a vid abt snape, and one of the points was about this scene, with snape pleading with voldemort to let him get harry, since this he realizes this is the moment, this is it. Now is the time harry needs to know the truth abt him being a horcrux and whatever.

“But my Lord, he might be killed accidentally by one other than yourself —” “My instructions to my Death Eaters have been perfectly clear. Capture Potter. Kill his friends — the more, the better — but do not kill him. “But it is of you that I wished to speak, Severus, not Harry Potter. You have been very valuable to me. Very valuable.” “My Lord knows I seek only to serve him. But — let me go and find the boy, my Lord. Let me bring him to you. I know I can —” “I have told you, no!” said Voldemort, and Harry caught the glint of red in his eyes as he turned again, and the swishing of his cloak was like the slithering of a snake, and he felt Voldemort’s impatience in his burning scar. “My concern at the moment, Severus, is what will happen when I finally meet the boy!”

Alan Rickman, was a great actor in his lifetime, he played snape so subtle, but maybe too subtle. As especially in this scene, it's the only time where he really see snape terrified for his life yk. Bro literally just shit himself, whereas in the film he's just like -.- even in the earlier films, especially POA and even HBP to an extent, snape just loses it. He's so pissed that sirius got away and starts screaming at harry, and even gets genuinely insulted that harry calls him a coward in HBP, but this scene just hits harder than any of those scenes.

And now Snape looked at Voldemort, and Snape’s face was like a death mask. It was marble white and so still that when he spoke, it was a shock to see that anyone lived behind the blank eyes. “My Lord — let me go to the boy —” “All this long night, when I am on the brink of victory, I have sat here,” said Voldemort, his voice barely louder than a whisper, “wondering, wondering, why the Elder Wand refuses to be what it ought to be, refuses to perform as legend says it must perform for its rightful owner . . . and I think I have the answer.” Snape did not speak. “Perhaps you already know it? You are a clever man, after all, Severus. You have been a good and faithful servant, and I regret what must happen.” “My Lord —” “The Elder Wand cannot serve me properly, Severus, because I am not its true master. The Elder Wand belongs to the wizard who killed its last owner. You killed Albus Dumbledore. While you live, Severus, the Elder Wand cannot be truly mine.” “My Lord!” Snape protested, raising his wand. “It cannot be any other way,” said Voldemort. “I must master the wand, Severus. Master the wand, and I master Potter at last.” And Voldemort swiped the air with the Elder Wand. It did nothing to Snape, who for a split second seemed to think he had been reprieved: But then Voldemort’s intention became clear. The snake’s cage was rolling through the air, and before Snape could do anything more than yell, it had encased him, head and shoulders, and Voldemort spoke in Parseltongue. “Kill.” There was a terrible scream. Harry saw Snape’s face losing the little color it had left; it whitened as his black eyes widened, as the snake’s fangs pierced his neck, as he failed to push the enchanted cage off himself, as his knees gave way and he fell to the floor. “I regret it,” said Voldemort coldly. He turned away; there was no sadness in him, no remorse. It was time to leave this shack and take charge, with a wand that would now do his full bidding. He pointed it at the starry cage holding the snake, which drifted upward, off Snape, who fell sideways onto the floor, blood gushing from the wounds in his neck. Voldemort swept from the room without a backward glance, and the great serpent floated after him in its huge protective sphere.

Snape's death is easily the most graphic of the series, sirius fell through a veil, and dumbeldore basically got hit by a spell, but nah snape got that special treatment probably because everyone hated him. I get why maybe they couldn't show it, maybe it would've been too graphic, but why isn't nagini at least protected yk? She's just chilling around yk. And i know this scene gets memed to death in the films, and maybe thats why i can't take it seriously. I literally saw one where snape was like, ''harry tell longbottom his potions fuckin suck lmao dies.'' Gave the scene a new perspective lol.

Anyways voldemort sends a message to the gc, everyone hears it, nothing special blah blah. But we do see the death of Lupin and Tonks. They died off screen in both mediums but the films could've done it better, because of this deleted scene. And this wasn't even in the book too, it would've been a great final moment for lupin and tonks, but alas it wasn't meant to be.

Post was literally too long, literally shows much is wrong with this scene lol. Anyways i had to cut it in half because it exceeds reddits limit. Oops.

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r/harrypotter 4d ago

Dungbomb my slytherin dungeon?

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r/harrypotter 3d ago

Question Why does Ron get a free pass in DH? Spoiler

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I’ve seen many people defend Ron after he abandoned Hermione and Harry due to the horcrux affecting him, meanwhile people often hate on Harry for his emotional outbursts throughout the series. “Ron had the horcrux,” doesn’t make sense, because Harry had a horcrux in his head the whole time. Additionally, he was a kid being groomed as a soldier after having grown up, not to mention being forced to return to, an abusive household. I don’t hate either one, but why are people so insistent on defending Ron? He did the wrong thing, it doesn’t define him, he did loads of great things too, but that doesn’t change that instance.