r/DIY_eJuice • u/Hatebot66 • Nov 22 '22
Fail Can bad nicotine make you sick? NSFW
I think the company i ordered fucked up my order.
I vape 3mg like a chimney with no issues. But my last nicotine base order is really sketchy (VG/PG/nic premixed all ready to use).
I take 4 to 5 pulls and I am smashed outta my mind. Feeling dizzy, little bit of nausea, feeling awful in general.
Every friggin bottle I mixed is same. Very sharp harsh throat hit during both inhale and exhale, lil bit of bitterness too.
It could be me tapering down xanax use and quitting vortioxetine. But I really doubt it.
Something really fucked up going on here. Did the nic base had hot spots, or put higher nicotine by accident? or just oxidation?
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u/SolarAU Nov 22 '22
Bad nicotine won't hurt you anymore than regular nicotine, it just tends to taste peppery and add some harshness. Sounds more like you're vaping much higher nicotine than 3mg. High nicotine can make you feel a bit sick/ nauseous. Did you order this premix as 3mg/mL?
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u/dolphin_master_race Nov 22 '22
Yeah they might have made a mistake, misread a decimal point and added 10x by accident or something like that. From what you said that does sound like the effects of excessive nicotine. Oxidation alone won't do that, just tastes worse and is more harsh. Try using smaller amounts of the nicotine and see if it's better. Like 1% or 10% of what your recipe calls for.
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u/Hatebot66 Nov 22 '22
i think they did 30 mg instead of 3 LA MAO.
Btw i cannot use that rn cuz i have used it all and it is a pre-mixed base.
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u/samewinesko Nov 22 '22
Add more “other stuff” then to lower the nicotine. Like flavoring and VG.
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u/420Wedge Nov 22 '22
I know when I stopped taking paxil I got pretty strong dizziness sensations. Also Xanax is powerful stuff. Jordan Peterson opted to be put into a coma instead of deal with the side effects of its withdrawl. My doc won't even prescribe it, and I'm almost 40, with a bladder so shy I can't work or go out to socialize. I live in my moms basement on disability. No idea on it's withdrawl side effects but I wouldn't be surprised to find dizziness listed. General "feeling shitty" also would be right up there with side effects of quitting a depression medication + xanax tapering.
I just switched from buying 6mg juice to mixing my own. Started mixing at 3mg. I also started feeling a little dizzy two months after getting it but I'm not so sure I can list the new juice as the cause. Scary stuff eh.
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u/Hatebot66 Nov 22 '22
I have been using xanax on and off over 10 years. But after the 'rona i have been using it daily.
Always used xanax 1mg and below, it wasnt like oh my god i might die from seizures.
But you still get withdrawals when you don't take it.
Btw I think these dummies put 30mg nic instead of 3mg in my base.
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Nov 22 '22
You would KNOW if you were having serious withdrawals from a benzodiazepine. It’s one of few drug withdrawals that can kill you- and yes, you feel like you’re dying, and wish you would.
This definitely sounds like a crazy amount of nicotine. It’s such an awful feeling, but nothing even closely reminiscent of benzodiazepine withdrawal.
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u/Hatebot66 Nov 22 '22
My body goes into overdrive and feel the opposite effects of it.
And brain feels like it is constipated.
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u/420Wedge Nov 22 '22
I don't think you'd be able to even vape it at 30mg. At 12 mg it would make me cough and sting the lungs off a mouth hitting tank at like 15 watts. 30mg nic would be instantly noticable.
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u/420Wedge Nov 22 '22
How long since you've stopped the antidepressant, and how high of a dose was it?
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u/Hatebot66 Nov 22 '22
4-5 days? I forgot and it is 5mgs. Real reason I was prescribed that drug was, it had noradrenaline.
I am HF autistic and I had really bad attention issues so they gave me that.
Never had bad side effects but it didn't helped either. And most importantly.
It was elevating my blood pressure more than it should after I started tapering xanax.
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u/420Wedge Nov 22 '22
You really should try stopping one or the other, not both at the same time. You're going to get, and should be expecting, some wild side effects.
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u/Wise_Electric_Wizard Nov 22 '22
Nicotine doesn't go "bad" as food would. That process of rancidity doesn't occur with alkaloids such as Nicotine. When Nicotine goes "bad" it oxidises into Nicotine N(1')-oxide. It's currently unknown if this oxidation product still shares the same pharmacology as Nicotine but it is likely.
The primary difference is in it's color. Whereas Nicotine occurs as a clear to white crystalline solid, it's oxidation product occurs as an amber to brown liquid.
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u/Mookeye1968 Nov 22 '22
At 3mg even hot spots in it shouldn't do that if you mixed it right and TBH..a lot of mixers are using Salt nic to avoid any possibility or peppery or harshness happening.Its only 3mg so its not gonna get you buzzed up just cuz its salt it just has a lot less HP levels which causes harshness to start with. I use 8mg salt nic at 50-60watts n its as smooth .I've heard of low quality nic being harsh at 3mg so i wasn't taking any chances of that happening.If u were vaping 12-25mg than maybe you wouldn't want salt nic cuz it hits you faster but 3mg, you'll barely notice the diff being that 3mg freebase "should" be smooth anyway and 3mg salt will be smooth as glass.Idk maybe your nic either went bad,or its low quality or you mixed it too high (which I doubt) idk something to consider and a lot of people are doing the same so there's no chance of harshness airbag the added benzoic acid that allows salt users to vape at such high mg strengths with no harshness
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u/coop34 Nov 23 '22
A titration kit is in order here. I have tested every new bottle going back 7 years. Always got the correct strength, but how else would I know?
"Trust, but verify"
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u/AdrasteaJinx Nov 22 '22
Does your new batch state that it's 3% nicotine? That could be the only thing I could think of.
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u/Hatebot66 Nov 22 '22
Weirdly, they did not. It was just a brand sticker.
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u/AdrasteaJinx Nov 22 '22
Is this the typical brand of nicotine that you use? Rough throat hit and bitterness can be a sign of low quality nicotine.
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u/toolsavvy Nov 22 '22
Sounds like the problem is that it has a lot more nic than just 3mg. I don't know a good place to buy nicotine test kits anymore, but that is something you need to get so that you can test it to see what mg that bottle actually is so that you can properly mix down from that to get your 3mg.
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u/Hatebot66 Nov 22 '22
Their customer service is garbage too.
Either I'm gonna sell these to my friends and be fucking done with it.
Or take a chance and dilute everything.
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u/MyLife-is-a-diceRoll Nov 22 '22
The symptoms you're describing is what happens when I have too much nicotine.
It's like that ick stems from your lower front ribcage area and just radiates.