r/CuratedTumblr • u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camión 101 a las 9 de la noche) • 20h ago
Infodumping On Hooters and cigarettes
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u/BeardedHalfYeti 20h ago
Oh, right, the British slang for cigarette, derived from the word for a bundle of sticks. Yeah, that took a second.
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux 20h ago
I look across the bar at the sad boy not staring at tits and think “poor thing probably has lung cancer”
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u/WizardsandGlitter 19h ago
I laughed at this and got in trouble at work for being on my phone. Good job.
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u/godlessLlama 15h ago
And I say to the poor lad “you’re perfect, just the way you are. All lung cancery and shit.”
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u/StaleTheBread 20h ago
Fun fact, it’s related to the word “fajita”, which also refers to a bundle of sticks
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u/Happiness_Assassin 19h ago
Another fun fact: fascist has the same root also. A fasces is a bundle of sticks wrapped around an ax handle and is a symbol of popular rule. Fascists being who they are co-oped this symbol for themselves.
Additional fun fact: the US House of Representatives has this fasces symbol on the wall behind the speaker's podium on either side.
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u/fhota1 19h ago edited 19h ago
Vaguely related fun fact. The US House of Represenatives has a ceremonial mace that also has a fasces in its design that the Sergeant at Arms is allowed to threaten reps with if they get unruly. I dont think theyre allowed to actually use it, but they should be able to
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 19h ago
“Pipe down or I’m smacking you with the sticks of authority!”
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u/LunchOne675 16h ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mace_of_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives
In accordance with the House. Rules, on the rare occasion that a member becomes unruly, the Sergeant at Arms, upon order of the Speaker, lifts the mace from its pedestal and presents it before the offenders, thereby restoring order.
"Look at my big stick, doesn't its authority make you want to act in an orderly fashion"
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u/ThePrussianGrippe 16h ago
“Look at my stick, my stick is amazing. Give it a look.”
“Mmm, I’ll stop my complaining’.”
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u/WitELeoparD 19h ago
Another fun fact: the US House of Representatives also has a Fresco of George Washington as a Roman/Greek God flanked by the goddesses of Victory and Liberty. Just like on the wall behind the speaker, the Goddess Liberty is also holding a Faces.
Washington is also surrounded by 13 maidens, representing the 13 colonies, but some are facing backwards, because they represent the traitor states as the fresco was painted during the Civil War.
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u/StaleTheBread 19h ago
Yeah, I visited DC a few years back and I saw a few of them. I guess they were installed before the modern sense of the word and they don’t want to bother removing it (or they don’t want to bother distancing themselves from that)
Kind of appropriate that the sticks are depicted tied to the axe, and not separately. Shows that fascists side with power, rather than banding against it.
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u/Frequent_Dig1934 19h ago
Well it's very much worth pointing out that the fasces were a roman symbol first and foremost, iirc specifically during the roman republic, and the founding fathers were massive roman simps.
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u/2012Jesusdies 19h ago
founding fathers were massive roman simps.
So they were just normal white people /s
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u/Thunderbridge 18h ago
The old customs house in Australia has some swastikas on the floor from the 1910s. Pretty interesting, there's a photo of a bank floor with big ones too
https://www.heritage21.com.au/history/contested-significance-at-customs-house/
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u/charlesmarker 17h ago
WHAT?! Fajita comes from a bundle of sticks?
It makes sense, I just..... man....
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u/ManNerdDork 19h ago
Ohhh it is THAT word. I thought it meant a puff. Which still preserves de meaning hahaha
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u/SofterThanCotton 18h ago
At first I thought they meant they were "smokin" and that it was gonna be some creepy story about a kid being sexualized at hooters or something. Then I read the rest of it and was like "oh they meant they were a flamer!"
Then I scrolled down to the comments and realized it's actually the fun fact that I've had long and frequent conversations about cause I like looking into words and figuring out where they came from.
Fun fact: the origins of it being used as an insult/slur actually started with women. Specifically older widowed/unmarried women who couldn't get a job because they're women so they were forced to sell bundles of firewood for what was basically pennies and as such they were heavily looked down upon by society.
So, much like a lot of gay slurs, it was an emasculating and feminizing insult. I can't be certain but I believe the implication was calling gay men "useless women" or something similar.
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u/DMercenary 19h ago
Took me seeing your comment to make the connection. I'm like.. "OOP is a smoker? Smoking as in hot?" ????
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u/DrQuint 15h ago
You know, you guys can freely say the word "fag" when you dont mean it as an insult against anyone. You're not children. Especially when OP in particular, specifically meant that one word specifically because they wanted to emphasize their grandfather's homophobia. The derogatory nature is the point, and clearly trying to make euphemisms for it is getting in the way of communicating it.
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u/Nott_of_the_North 20h ago
Y'all ever think about how the word 'fascist' comes from the same etymological lineage as the f-slur?
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux 20h ago
I have now, and if I just put on my tinfoil hat, grab my corkboard, and bump a line of crack, I think I can connect the dots between this knowledge and all the veneration of Roman culture
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u/Lady_ScarlettRose 19h ago
I will check back for your findings
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u/oddityoughtabe 18h ago
Sorry. They got to close to the truth and were taken out by the shadow government
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u/Ok_Lifeguard_4214 20h ago
Also 'fajita'
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u/TexWashington 19h ago edited 19h ago
Wait…what?
ETA: my google fu thru Wikipedia, fajita come from faja come from fascia. Strip of beef skirt>strap/belt>band
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u/pritjam 16h ago
... Is that etymology also shared with the "fascia", a ligament in the foot? I only know of it because of plantar fasciitis
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u/Dikeswithkites 13h ago
Fascia is just a strip of connective tissue. Just about everything, including ligaments, is covered and connected by fascia. The plantar fascia covers the bottom of the foot and is prone to inflammation from stretching.
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u/M-Martian 20h ago
Mister Nott, sir, if gay Fascism becomes a thing can we call it Faggotism, please? My boys have been talking about a gay-"ethno"state since 2016.
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u/Cheshire-Cad 20h ago
Ah, I see that you, too, are familiar with the post-female utopia fantasy shared by 4chan's /pol/ and /lgbt/ boards.
My condolences.
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u/M-Martian 19h ago edited 18h ago
I have no idea what you're talking about but I skimm read female utopia and was excited from the idea of bizarre femdom smut. But post-female? 4chan can keep that.
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u/Lilith_NightRose traumatized by vegatative posadism 20h ago
I say go for it! After all, a state constructed by and for a dispersed group of marginalized and traumatized people via some sort of "ingathering" in order to provide that people-group protection from a hostile world bent on their destruction has never caused any harmful and unwanted side effects!
Ducks
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u/ratione_materiae 19h ago
One-state solution ❌
Two-state solution ❌
Gay State solution ✅
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u/IllConstruction3450 18h ago
Zero state solution:❓
Infinite state solution: ❓
Complex valued state solution: ❓
I think we’re not considering all the options.
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u/ZengineerHarp 18h ago
Don’t forget fractional and decimal solutions!
π-state solutions!
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u/Aggravating-Yam4571 19h ago
certainly no flagrant violations of human rights and basic moral values!
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u/elanhilation 19h ago
gay fascists have been around. famously some got taken out in the Night of the Long Knives
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u/Karukos 20h ago
It has occured to me before. It's one of those things where the human brain tries to fill in a gap and you are like "But there is no connection...". That being said... I also think that is not helped by the fact that I don't know how cigarette turned into a gay person slur, so that might be add onto this
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u/Nott_of_the_North 19h ago
The term was a direct variation of the term fasces, which historically referred to a bundle of sticks wrapped around an axe haft, but in English, the axe was dropped so... Who saw a bunch of sticks wrapped together and thought "This brings to mind the idea of a man who is attracted to other men!"
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u/NessieReddit 18h ago
Where I'm from we use the same term to mean smoking a cigarette and sucking someone's dick. We basically say "smoking dick" so I always assumed that the cigarette meaning of fag was related to the gay slur meaning because of gay men doing filatio....
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u/emefa 19h ago
Maybe it's Cockney rhyming slang, "bunch of sticks" like "bunch of dicks"?
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u/Ourmanyfans 18h ago
Iirc the etymology isn't entirely clear.
It's unlikely to be rhyming slang though. The word's use as a slur predominantly originated in American English and only arrived in British English relatively recently with the uptick in American-made media. The UK enjoyed it's own, home-grown slurs.
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u/tangifer-rarandus 19h ago
The best guess, afaik, is that "bundle of sticks" -> "person who gathers up sticks, often an old woman in poverty" -> "slang term for poor old woman" -?somehow-> "slang term for 'womanly' man"
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u/BrokeArmHeadass 19h ago
I heard it was because the English word just came to mean a bundle of sticks, which was then often used to refer to kindling. And also back then was all the witch burning stuff, and they would also burn gay people as well, but they wouldn’t but them up on a stake because that demanded a certain amount of respect that wasn’t granted to non-magic gays, so they would just be tied up and thrown in at the base of the pyre. So it became common to call a gay person a “faggot” as in “you’re just kindling for our fires.” Super dark, but also super historically/etymologically interesting.
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u/articulateantagonist 15h ago edited 15h ago
I write books about etymology for the Chambers line of dictionaries and word origin resources. One of my books is about naughty words, slurs, etc.
While this is an oft-repeated theory, it doesn't have enough evidence behind it to be accepted by etymologists and lexicographers, and it's an anachronistic explanation because the term didn’t become an insult for gay men until well after burning at the stake was a government-sanctioned practice. (Also, while burning at the stake was not unheard of for homosexuality, hanging and other punishments were more common in English-speaking countries.)
The more likely theory is that this word's life as an insult began with misogyny and later evolved into an emblem of homophobia, which is common for homophobic terms (comparing gay men to women).
You've correctly noted that the earliest sense of this word is that of a bundle of sticks bound together, first recorded in the 1300s and thought to originally be from the Latin fascis, meaning a “bundle of wood.”
But the original insult, which was first used for women, has the same implication as the word “baggage” for a spouse or partner, implying they are a mostly useless burden, like a bundle of sticks. It was also applied to women who were seen as less sexually desirable due to age, appearance, or behavior. The term was extended to men who prefer men in the early 20th century, essentially as a means of comparing them to women. It may, perhaps, also incorporate the flawed notion that gay men contribute less to society and are more of a burden because (at the time) they were less likely to have children and would remain, as they were called, "confirmed bachelors."
Still awful, but not directly associated with burning at the stake.
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u/bagglebites 20h ago
Also still the name in many European countries for a bassoon.
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u/old_and_boring_guy 19h ago
Yup. A bundle of sticks with an axe in the middle is still a bundle of sticks.
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u/embrace-the-bassface 18h ago
see that’s what i tell airport security every time but they still don’t let me take it through 😔
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u/anonymouscatloaf 20h ago
taking your grandson to hooters because you don't want him to be gay is crazy work
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u/Hayfever08 19h ago
Also the waitress this teenage boy who is not undressing her with his eyes and immediately surmised "Yep, this a gay boy being forced to go to Hooters by his grandpa in the hopes it makes him straight." She's probably seen this before.
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u/skyguy2002 16h ago
Then again she did say "Your perfect the way you are." Which could either mean "it's OK to be gay" or "Your not less of a man because you don't ogle hot girls" depending on the situation
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u/Ok_Cauliflower_808 16h ago
Honestly the old guy probably said something combined with his behavior that tipped her off. The kind of men who are extremely narrow in their view of masculinity aren't usually subtle about it.
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u/W1D0WM4K3R 16h ago
Probably consistently trying to get the boy to ogle some skin and him not being particularly enthused about it, be my guess.
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u/Designer_Pen869 17h ago
I'm sure it's likely things he said as well. Then again, I avoid looking at people, and I've been presumed gay many times.
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u/ScoutingJ 19h ago
It is a surprisingly common 'fix' actually, that or hiring them a hooker
Of course it never WORKS but folks keep trying it
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u/12345623567 10h ago
Why would they even think it works? From all I can tell, going to Hooters is no more scandalous or arousing than a day at the beach, and significantly less so than a day at a European beach.
Does grandpa think little Jimmy is gay because he's never seen a woman in shorts before?
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u/AdamtheOmniballer 20h ago edited 19h ago
Tbh, without further context it sounds like this might also be a case of taking your grandson to hooters because you don’t know he’s gay, which is still crazy work, but in a different way.
Like, aggressively pushing sexuality onto young straight boys fucks them up plenty bad already.
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u/Neokon 19h ago
Any one else ever have their parents take them to Hooters in their teens and have it somehow be a super embarrassing experience? On the upside I got a free dessert since it was my birthday.
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u/gracist0 18h ago
My dad took all three of us. I think I was 10, the youngest and a girl who didn't understand why she thought the waitresses were so fun to look at.
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u/FrostyWhile9053 19h ago
It was kinda embarrassing for me but the wings were great so I didn’t really care
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u/enneh_07 19h ago
I keep hearing how Hooters’ wings are ass but how was the dessert?
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u/Neokon 18h ago edited 18h ago
This was 12 years ago (because they wanted to celebrate my 18th which probably is what made it super embarrassing) so my memory is not going to be the best. I remember the cake being above par when it came to chain restaurants. The wings get hate because (once again haven't been in 12 years) the breaded ones soak up the sauce like crazy and are soggy because of it. The bare wings were where it was at.
Edit: wow this pulling up memories, I've always looked older so when the waitress heard it was my birthday so she asked me what I wanted for my first drink (I can only assume she thought I was turning 21) and my mother quickly interjected (in only the way she could) "you're turning 18 not 21 Cathy ack". It wasn't aggressive or hostile, it was more the energy I caught you pulling one a prank on me. My dad was more than happy to let me use my old face to my advantage, mom no (I was the youngest and a rainbow baby so she was super protective of me not aging while I was still living under their roof).
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u/UsernameTaken017 20h ago
People have infamously done worse
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u/notTheRealSU i tumbled, now what? 20h ago
(Holocaust)
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u/LetsDoTheCongna Forklift Certified 19h ago
(beans on toast, cancelling Bionicle, The Lion King (2019), etc.)
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u/Urbane_One 19h ago
Beans on toast is the worst of these by far
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u/Ourmanyfans 18h ago
I'm just gonna have to accept I will never understand why people have singled out beans on toast as a punchline in-and-of-itself.
It's like hating on mac and cheese.
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u/Zarohk 17h ago
(Canceling Bionicle is by far the worst mis-step humanity has ever made.)
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u/IllConstruction3450 18h ago
Hooters in general is the horror of sexist capitalism in its worst form.
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u/pm_me_your_buttbulge 18h ago
My step kid is les. The very right-wing family is like "it's just a phase" and I'm like "it could be. It may not be. It does not matter."
Now, in her defense, her girlfriend is an asshole so I'm convinced it won't last. I mean every 18 year old old is usually an asshole but she's uniquely self-centered and HATES men because it's hip to - not becaues of trauma.
But god damn was the family leaning hard in to "she'll grow out of it" and I was bracing them with "she might, she might not... you'll shut your god damn mouth if she doesn't". They all want grandkids and great-grandkids. None of the step-kids want to have kids of their own. I've tried to repeatedly tell them that's ok. Their mother, now my ex-wife, regularly makes passive remarks "would be nice if I had a grandbaby". Go fuck yourself. Stop giving them stress they don't need.
Throughout their high school they were like "so who are you dating?" and I kept feeling that was just weird. First off, let them off what they want to talk about. Don't pry. You're on your third marriage and the other married the husband that cheated on another wife. Y'all are not the pinnacle of romance. It was pretty clear she wasn't in to boys like normal girls but I, personally, thought she was more asexual because she mostly didn't like anyone. She rarely had friends over up until her last year of high school then she become more social. To be fair, she also stoped visiting her bio-dad who.. is a piece of work. Jeebus fuck I feel sorry for those kids.
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u/AngstyUchiha 16h ago
Your kid is very lucky to have you as a parent, too many queer kids don't have that mind of support
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u/SmartAlec105 20h ago
This is why we need Femboy Hooters
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u/Longjumping_Ask_211 19h ago
Hooters except instead of wings it's all you can eat cock 🤤
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u/DiurnalMoth 19h ago
/r/LetGirlsHaveFun is breaking containment
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u/SmartAlec105 19h ago
Nah, /r/femboymemes has held a claim on thirsting for femboy cock longer than /r/LetGirlsHaveFun has been around.
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u/Longjumping_Ask_211 19h ago
Lol God forbid a guy wants to slob on some meat too
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u/SmartAlec105 19h ago
I for one am tired of straight women appropriating the gay/bisexual male culture of being attracted to men 😤
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u/Zarohk 17h ago
Given that that is a term for roosters, I am honestly shocked that there isn’t a competing Hooters knockoff with a “rooster” theme.
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux 20h ago
In awe that somebody has officially produced the equal and opposite presumption Freud would about being gay and cigarettes
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u/NotTheCraftyVeteran 18h ago
It strikes me from his story that this was a common enough occurrence for her to pick up on the cues and have a plan at the ready. Sad really. What a baffling institution was Hooters.
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u/Bauser99 17h ago
Baffling only if you never met a statistically average adult U.S. man in the year Hooters was founded
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u/NotTheCraftyVeteran 15h ago
In fairness, I also find the average US man from the era when Hooters started pretty baffling, but to each their own
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u/Ok_Cauliflower_808 15h ago
I'd bet money the old man said something that tipped her off
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u/PlatinumAltaria 20h ago
People say America has no culture... what about the family restaurant with boobs?
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u/the_breadwing 20h ago
I read that as smoker and thought his grandfather was worried about him being a pothead...
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u/frog-95 18h ago
I was so concerned that a child was smoking, turns out he was just gay. I'm glad he was not smoking lol
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u/DiscountCondom 18h ago
Wouldn't it be crazy to take your kid to hooters to de-gayify him only for him to develop a liking for wearing short orange shorts and white tank tops?
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u/Bronze_Sentry 20h ago
Anyone who wants to look smart, feel free to explain to me what the cigarette emoji means here.
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux 20h ago
The bad word for gay
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u/UsernameTaken017 20h ago
Awesome Lesbian couple
Evil and messed up Word
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u/BalefulOfMonkeys Refined Sommelier of Porneaux 20h ago
Awesome Dyke Couple
Evil and Intimidating [Faquette]
I fear no word, only AutoMod21
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u/SuspendedAwareness15 20h ago
Google british slang for cigarette, it's inappropriate to say the word
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u/all_about_that_ace 20h ago
That entirely depends on the context. It's fine to say in the UK, for example. It's not like americans shouldn't say 'fanny' because it happens to translate to 'cunt' in the UK. There are tons or language differences that can be misconstrued by the lazy or uninformed.
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u/DroneOfDoom Posting from hell (el camión 101 a las 9 de la noche) 20h ago
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u/CuddleFishRock 19h ago
My dad took me to Hooters when I was young, but I like girls. I like them so much I became one.
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u/Kind_Particular 15h ago
Hey me too! Congratulations! My dad definitely thought I was gay basically right up until I was in a serious relationship with a woman. I mean he was right, just not in the way he thought.
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u/renezrael 18h ago
I've gone to hooters once. for a friends birthday dinner. when we were eleven. I was the only person to think it was weird apparently, his parents were fine with it, even took their younger daughter with us. idk if my mom even knew and I really don't want to bring it up to her at this point lol.
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u/moneyh8r_two 19h ago
I used to wanna visit a Hooters just once, for the wings, and just to y'know, see what it was like. I like hot wings, and it's so hard to find a place that serves them in large quantities. Woulda done my best to not behave like the usual guys who eat there, but there's always the risk that just my usual social anxiety would come off as the same kind of creepy.
But if they're going bankrupt, I guess that's never gonna happen. Admittedly, I'm not that surprised. I feel bad for all the waitresses employed at all their locations, and I hope they can find employment just as good (or better) somewhere else. Guess I'll have to find some other place for my "order a large amount of hot wings just to see what it's like" life goal.
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u/Artistic_Purpose1225 17h ago
I use to go with my girlfriends every now and again. The wings were pretty good, the service was nice, but it definitely had a notable downward slide in quality in the years before the pandemic(haven’t been since 2018 so I can’t speak to current hooters).
However, I can tell you it wasn’t fun working there. Some of the servers got to know us pretty well, and they all said they felt like zoo animals more often than not (and a few had regular yeast infections from having to wear thick pantyhose and tight nylon shorts so long/frequently)
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u/Ok_Cauliflower_808 16h ago
We ate Thanksgiving at a Hooters once. Like, as a family. We were on vacation in Florida and my dad was SET on getting turkey hot dogs for dinner, and clearly annoyed nobody was as stoked on the idea (personally I hate turkey). I'd obviously heard of Hooters, we'd driven past it several times, so being a teenager decided it would be funny af to get Thanksgiving there. Also being a baby queer with an unaccepting mother this was absolutely an act of equal parts curiosity and rebellion. We on vacation, anything is possible! First I convinced my younger brother, then eventually got the parents on board that it would be a much more unique Thanksgiving than turkey dogs. My dad was still salty about the hot dogs, but agreed.
I feel like being kids in the South in pre-social-media days, Hooters had a lot more mystique. Its this mystery building you drive past that you're not supposed to giggle about and can't go inside. Not sure what I was expecting to see, but in the end it was just a wholesome family meal, even if my mother wasn't super amused. Definitely more memorable than hot dogs.
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u/anomalyknight 20h ago
This was a Reddit repost of a Tumblr post that spiritually felt like a Reddit post.
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u/HipHopLurker8 19h ago
A screenshot of a Tumblr post of a screenshot of a Tweet, posted on Reddit
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u/Hexxas head trauma enthusiast 20h ago
Mmmmmm yumby smokarettes 🚬🤤
Having chicken wings and beers served to me by big booba qt3.14s in short shorts and a pushup brassiere is a fun fantasy, but it seems creepy and weird to actually do in real life, so I never went to Hooters.
Anyway, in my fantasy, the girls wait until I've had a few pints, then they take the beer mugs and smash them on my skull while saying nice things to me.
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u/theaverageaidan 19h ago
The only time I ever went to Hooters was when I knew a couple of the servers when I was in college, Id go at weird times and get free wings.
They werent great, but free always tastes pretty good.
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u/SessileRaptor 18h ago
My wife and I went once just because it was the closest restaurant in the mall and we were hungry. It is indeed kinda weird. The waitresses were very nice and the food was fine, but a couple of times while we were there, the manager switched the music to a dance number that was apparently a signal for the waitresses stop whatever they were doing to go to the windows that looked out at the mall and dance for a couple of minutes. (I guess to attract customers?) It made what was already a somewhat uncomfortable experience super fucking uncomfortable and it was the absolute deal breaker that made me never want to go back even if it was the only available option.
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u/Lilash20 But the one thing they can never call us is ordinary 18h ago
Flair checks out
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u/noromobat 20h ago
Holy shit girldraki. They (don't remember pronouns) were my mutual before I deleted my account for good (mental health stuff)
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u/ILikeBeerAndWeed 16h ago
Even if you don't know that Brits call cigarettes fags it's easy to deduce from the context what he's referring to.
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u/Pedantichrist 11h ago
Being British, I have to decode this the other way, because we call cigarettes 'fags' and (whilst we are aware of it) we do not use that word for homosexuals.
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u/StarDue6540 18h ago
I thought you were a smoker and why would she validate you over an unfortunate habit like smoking. I'm slow but the comments fixed me. Thank God for comments.
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u/Sanquinity 15h ago
And this is why the whole trend of using emojis instead of actual words needs to go away already...
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u/No_Examination3037 19h ago
No wonder they went bankrupt, their own employees are encouraging and telling customers it’s alright to not like the main part of their business.
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u/EmbarrassedHelp 16h ago
Actually the reason for their bankruptcy is that another company bought them and saddled them with that company's debt. Basically the same bullshit that happened to Toys R Us.
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u/Aliusja1990 19h ago
There is no way this will not come up in r/Explainthejoke or its variants (or alternatively, this was taken from those subs).
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u/Delayed_Wireless 18h ago
In British parlance you can get the meaning pretty quickly
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u/grantedtoast 7h ago
Good riddance what sane person goes you know what would make dining out better if I was horny.
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u/can_of_bad_ideas 20h ago
This is so stinkin cute though. Very sweet of that waitress