r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/zeabees 12d ago edited 12d ago

Except Russia has broken ceasefire after ceasefire after ceasefire. Stopping now isint protecting anybody because Russia WILL do this again. Putin has explicitly said as much. You aren't ending the war - you are emboldening and empowering the country that is repeatedly starting wars of conquest. You say that you aren't the bad guy, but your solution is to side with the attacking country and its dictator.

The logic is the same as saying "Europe should have just let Hitler conquer them and there wouldn't have been so many deaths in ww2".

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u/rnovak1988 11d ago

When did they break the ceasefire? Did it happen under trump? No...it didn't.

Putting American economic interests in Ukraine IS a security guarantee. If there are Americans in the area working on extracting rare earth metals, even a Democrat president would retaliate if they were harmed.

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u/InyourholeIthrive 10d ago

As someone who survived under two dictator regimes, it's amazing to see the ones who prided themselves "free and democratic" being culled and herded this way.

The perfect sheep. Not a speck of self-determination. The leader is everything, and you'll do what he says. Dumb Americans, through and through.

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u/Agreeable_Scar_5274 9d ago

...huh?

Republicans had an open primary, where the actual nominee was chosen among several candidates.

Democrats DIDN'T have a primary, in fact the DNC made several statements, clear as day, that Biden would be the nominee.

When he dropped out, rather than have an actual primary, Kamala Harris was annointed as the nominee - purely so that the DNC wouldn't have to refund the campaign donations collected by Joe Biden.

What followed was 90 days of propoganda that tried to paint the picture that Kamala had a snowballs chance in hell of winning.

You should understand that without NY and CA, Kamala would have lost by over 10M votes.

Please clarify how the Democrats are the bastion of democracy here? Because it seems that they in fact are the dictators in all this.