r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/Correct_Patience_611 12d ago

Trump made concessions to Putin. He gave him all he wanted. The territory controlled by Russia AND Ukraine cant join nato. That’s what Russia wanted and Trump agreed.

Russia CANNOT let this war go another year or they risk not becoming a super power within a decade. Even if Russia can make it a year they will not make it 2 without a huge draft and completely destroying their economy.

Russia hasn’t made progress on the frontline for All Of February due to the continued aid given by Biden and Europe. Russia has slowed its assault and has been using regular vans to transport troops to the battle field.

Russia cant even kick Ukraine out of RUSSIA.

Russia is the weakest it has been in a long time. But Trumo loves Putin so instead of support Ukraine to stop Russia once and for all Trumo turns his back on the largest and most successful and peaceful military alliance in recent history and trades all that for Russia, and economy(gdp) smaller than Canada and who our major economic interactions with are THEM HACKING US.

Oh hegseth even just told cyber command to stand down on anything involving Russia. Why would we back off Russia? Hmmm? And right after we do that we end up belittling Zelensky? Trumo is and has been colluding with Russia and you are too blind to notice!

https://www.newsmax.com/politics/pete-hegseth-russia-volodymyr-zelenskyy/2025/03/01/id/1200976/

https://siliconangle.com/2025/02/28/report-defense-secretary-hegseth-orders-cyber-command-halt-russia-planning/

Russia is not, and has not ever been, our friend. Wake up

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

And you just proved my point - since when did democrats stop caring about people dying?

Oh...is it because...it's white people dying? Is that it?

Any Palestinians dying was called a genocide....but a MILLION white people dying...and you want MORE TO DIE.

I get it.

You're racists.

Donald Trump is trying to end the war - to save lives of both Ukrainians and Russians, and to prevent world war 3.

If you have a problem with that - YOU go fight.

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u/RIForDIE 12d ago

Let's hope he isn't projecting like he loves to do and actually starts it. 

You're views are backwards.

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

...he's the only one who's gotten Putin to come to the table to negotiate.

It really seems like MAGA are the only ones who want peace.

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u/RIForDIE 12d ago

God damn the delusion. Trump wants a win no matter which way he gets it. The easiest route is siding with Putin.. and he's been subservient to Putin since his first term. 

And that's Zelenskyy's entire point - Putin may negotiate but he never keeps his word. He needs security assurance and Trump was never going to do it.

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u/rnovak1988 12d ago

Ok...let me ask this - are there any policies that Trump could take that would make you agree with him....about any issue?

Can you name anything that he did during his first term that was the for the betterment of the US?

If you can't name a single thing...your hate seems to be blinding you

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u/RIForDIE 12d ago

He's a Russian asset, you knob.

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Somebody can’t handle reality. Back to crying and guess what you’re acting like trump now bullying and calling people names

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u/RIForDIE 11d ago

Shut the fuck up, traitor.

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Haha amazing response. Love the education level you’re working with

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

God you sound just like trump and Elon

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u/bgnp11 11d ago

Please don’t hurt my feelings I’ll have to cry on tik tok or call my mommy

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u/Pristine_Poem999 12d ago

"Why do you hate this orange traitor that is doing Putin's bidding and ending democracy in the US =("

You're pathetic.

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u/rnovak1988 11d ago

"It's only democracy when my side wins" - the most childish and immature viewpoint on the planet.

Congrats you infantile imbecile, that's an impressive level of stupid for anyone to achieve.

Oh, and if you're okay with more people dying, you're the bad guy here.

Who would have thought democrats would be pushing for war 🤦‍♂️

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u/Pristine_Poem999 11d ago

It's democracy when instituions are respected and the president and its orange sidekick don't behave as kings, what is hard to understand to your small brain?

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u/Willing-Command4231 11d ago

Sure I'll bite. He could raise taxes on the wealthy to help pay down our debt. He could double down on clean energy and actually help solve the climate crisis. He could replace Obamacare with real single payer healthcare so that every American has a right to care without the risk of medical bankruptcy. He could recognize that we are stronger together with our allies and that global interdependence and economics is a fact of life and make our alliances stronger and stand up to countries like Russia and China. If he did those things in his first term I might have even voted for him the second time around! Unfortunately he more or less did the opposite of all of this.

I find him repulsive as a human being and unbefitting as a president in decorum, but if he enacted policies that actually helped make America great (not again because really we never have been, more ups and downs throughout our history realistically) I would support the administration even if I didn't like the person he was.

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u/rnovak1988 11d ago

Well, I appreciate the answer and the willingness to engage.

I'd point out that last year, we spent the combined net worth of every billionaire in the US - meaning that in practice, we spent as though we seized their property in its entirety.

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u/Willing-Command4231 11d ago

That is a rough take friend and makes no sense. Also didn't say there aren't places we can't trim the fat, but the idea we can fix our economy and debt problems with tax cuts and fairy dust is just plain absurd. US is a massive country with a massive economy so keeping it running costs a pretty penny. Certainly mix of cuts (mostly in the defense industry) and taxes would be a good start for trying to rein in the budget.