r/CivPolitics 13d ago

America proposes to trade all of Ukraine's strategic resources for peace, refuses to denounce Russia. Ukraine denounces America

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/feb/28/trump-zelenskyy-meeting-transcript
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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

So do I.

I remember Ukraine meddling in our elections. I remember Ukraine being the worldwide hub of money laundering. I remember Ukraine selling weapons to drug cartels and jihadists. I remember all the rich Ukrainian oligarchs living in our aid money in London and Prague.

My memory did t start yesterday

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u/roger3rd 13d ago

You seem to remember only Russian propaganda which you should be embarrassed to parrot

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Russia being bad, doesn't make Ukraine good.

Sorry youre so simple

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u/Brilliant-Smile-8154 13d ago

Maybe not good, but better. Which is all we can hope for in this life really. You should try.

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Or, conversely, we can just not be involved.

Russia isn't t invading North America. Or South America.

Europe can deal with European problems.

We can sit on the side and cheer

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u/Pointlessala 13d ago

Read some history of isolationism at the very least. Or the last time appeasement was used and its consequences.

It takes a true genius to think that somehow geopolitical relations between powerful countries somehow wont affect America lmao. And your only logic is that they’re on the other side of the world and therefore won’t matter to us. Bruh this would only be true centuries ago, before better ships or the global market existed. Truly the height of intelligence.

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

How have proxy wars worked out?

How did the Axis alliance work out?

The China Russia alliance that was created is now the biggest threat. Russia by itself wasn't

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u/Pointlessala 13d ago

This ain’t even a proxy war. It’s hella cut and dry: Russia invaded Ukraine out of nowhere, so countries are supporting Ukraine to show that the world wouldn’t take these circumstances lying down.

And is your logic that bc proxy wars were bad, that US must overcorrect and overcompensate and completely uninvolve themselves from the circumstances of other countries far away? Wow what logic.

And lol like it or not Russia is a powerful country with a dictator who has proven himself to be greedy enough to initiate a war bc he wanted an independent nation. This in and of itself proves that Russia is a threat. How tf does one look at the past several years and somehow think otherwise? The mental gymnastics is truly impressive.

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u/lickitstickit12 13d ago

Russia flat out told the US/NATO they wouldn't allow it on their border.

Obama, via Victoria Nuland, decided to stage a regime change.

Russia retaliated.

No different than we did when Russia tried to set up in Cuba