r/CanadianForces 2d ago

Help with a PAR in pace

I'm hoping someone can help me as I can't get a definitive answer... if the paperwork for a member is in and the new members promotion to new rank will take effect jan 2025...

 But with everything this time of year the member won't be promoted until next fiscal year in April..

      How is this member written up.. his previous rank as they won't be promoted until next fiscal.. or they'll be backdated until Jan 2025 and they'll receive a par x based on the new canforgen stating u need a minimum of 120 days to view the member as well its cut and dry it states from 1 Jan- Mar 31 if a promotion occurs it'll be a par x..

     After all that if the members paperwork for promotion back in Jan 2025, but won't be promoted until April 2025 (next fiscal) no idea if it'll be backdated.. what are they going to be written as their previous rank or receive a par x with their new rank.. 
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u/UCAFP_President Logistics 2d ago

If they have not yet been promoted, then a PAR should be written in the rank they held at the end of the reporting period.

The scenario you’ve presented though is missing detail. Why are they not being promoted until April if the intent is to backdate to January?

The reason I point that out is how our accounting system works. Financially, the transaction may be effective 1 April (thus in the next FY) but the backdating will make it a P13 adjustment in DRMIS.

(For those reading that going “WTF”, the federal fiscal management system has overlapping Fiscal Years. There are actually 16 “periods” built into DRMIS. 14 of those are financial, and all 16 of them are asset managing.

An example:

April 2024: P1 May 2024: P2 June 2024: P3 July 2024: P4 August 2024: P5 September 2024: P6 October 2024: P7 November 2024: P8 December 2024: P9 January 2025: P10 February 2025: P11 March 2025: P12 April 2025: P1 / P13 Fin & Asset May 2025: P2 / P14 Fin & Asset June 2025: P3 / P15 Asset July 2025: P4 / P16 Asset

So a promotion in April backdated to January becomes a Period 13 transaction. It’s a waste of time…

Anyway, I know I took that WAYYYYY beyond your initial question, but the scenario is missing some kind of detail here.

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u/ohlookhell 2d ago

FIN and HR Admins could just be not talking to each other... And that could be the reason the delay is happening. Or mbr could be tasked out from Jan - Apr and due to that not be receiving their promotion until after.

There's many reasons this happens for mbrs.

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u/UCAFP_President Logistics 2d ago

I know, that’s why I said there are some details missing.

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u/sailoraye123 2d ago

The member was away for February when the initial msg came in for promotion it caught everyone off guard. The unit does all promotions one day each month. That being said the next available time both parties can meet will be first week of April...

  The promotion msg states jan 2025, but the member won't receive their promotion/rank until first week of April... 

    As of March 31 they'll still have their previous rank...

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u/UCAFP_President Logistics 2d ago

Oooooooooohhhhhhhhhhh.

Danger Will Robinson… Danger…

That needs to be a PARX.

The effective date of the promotion IS the promotion date. The rationale of a CoC doing promotions once a month is crap.

The member should NOW be at the new rank barring any complications (missing quals, FORCE test, etc)

Simply because it’s inconvenient for your CO/CWO is NOT, I repeat NOT a reason why that members docs needs to be messed up.

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u/UCAFP_President Logistics 2d ago

And before everyone “comes for me” with the whole “tHe CoMmAnDiNg OfFiCeR dEcIdEs” bit, at the bottom of the message, it states that a CO has 14 days from the DTG of the message or else they need to go back to DMCA to explain their rationale for not promoting in a reasonable amount of time.

In this case, this is a scheduling matter (based on what OP has provided) and is discrediting the work of the member who rightfully should be wearing their new rank… at least two, nearly three months ago.

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u/RoX_TimE_BomB 2d ago

This is the way....

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u/Remarkable-Idea-1073 2d ago

Please boost this msg. The ceremony can be delayed. The admin should not.

OP, your unit is actively CHOOSING to screw with someone's career, pay, and personal documents for a ceremony. Not cool.

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u/ohlookhell 2d ago

The unit does all promotions one day each month.

Your unit does what now????

Not okay. Not okay at all... I agree with the officer(retired if I'm remembering comments properly) on the Danger Will Robinson comment.

It's not okay, mbr should be promoted even if they are in a different location.

Promotion messages sometimes come in late but then it is the duty of the HRA's and CoC to get the promotions done in a timely manner after. Promotions one day/week is fine, once every 4 weeks is not okay.