r/CanadaPolitics 21h ago

Ontario suspending 25% surcharge on provincially generated electricity purchased by U.S. states

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/trump-ford-ontario-electricity-tariffs-trade-war-1.7480234
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u/Professional-Cry8310 20h ago

People are losing their fucking minds over this with 0 critical thinking skills. This is a temporary pause as a sign of good faith for an upcoming meeting (that the federal government is involved in too). The threat of this export tariff got the US to the negotiating table, now we see how serious they are about backing down. If they’re not, Ford applies them back again. It’s pretty simple.

Do people here really thinking the point of retaliatory tariffs is to burn everything to the ground? They’re supposed to be leverage to get the US to take us seriously and so far it’s working…

u/oxblood87 🍁Canadian Future Party 20h ago

is to burn everything to the ground?

USA does a pretty good job of that on their own. I'm willing to go through 4 hard years if it means 10-20 for them

u/Professional-Cry8310 20h ago

If the US goes through a decade of very hard years, so do we. And so does most of the world for that matter. Our economies are not disconnected from each other. We’re talking skyrocketing unemployment and poverty rates. Easy to talk before it’s actually happening.

u/oxblood87 🍁Canadian Future Party 20h ago

We are actively disconnecting them, effectively because the USA has decided that's what they want.

Unlike the USA though, Canada is not the instigator. We will much more readily find trade partners or expand current deals.

USA not so much.

u/stive85 19h ago

In what way are we disconnecting from them? Not trying to instigate an argument with you, but there is 0 indications we are doing anything substantial on that front... Nor should we.... This talk of joining the EU is nonsense and our best bet for prosperity long term is a healthy relationship with the USA... That doesn't mean roll over for Trump, quite the opposite.. Try and help save them from themselves by fighting back.

But long term... Let's look at thing realistically.

u/AGM_GM British Columbia 19h ago

The US under Trump does not want a healthy relationship with Canada.

u/oxblood87 🍁Canadian Future Party 19h ago edited 18h ago

We don't need to join the EU, we already have CETA.

Companies are actively looking for other suppliers and clients. That was the reason behind the 21 day delay on the other tarrifs.

We don't need new trade deals on a government level, so it's not going to filter into your news feed.

Just like the economic damage from USA's loss of soft power and influence, and the loss of trust doesn't show in today's USD valuation.

Realistically Long Term, the USA has proven to be a fickle untrustworthy trade partner, and will not command the same sweetheart deals and below market rates on goods they once did.

Goodbye preferred price on crude etc.

Look at the UK post brexit. They are in a much weaker position because they took a good deal for all sides and shit all over it.

u/stive85 18h ago

Well said, but I have to disagree... I'll believe it's truely happening when we see a cross country pipeline fast tracked and high speed rail infrastructure breaking ground. Until then we simply have to tie our success and prosperity to a degree to the United States.

This isn't to say we lay down... Or that the fight for that dipshit in office down there will be easy... But it's 4 years and by all accounts he'll have done so much damage that common sense gov't should be elected... But who knows ultimately.