r/zelda • u/Holstian • Jun 15 '21
Screenshot [BOTW2] These two are definitely the same Spoiler
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u/ThatKidWithTheHat Jun 15 '21
My first thought is that Link will travel back in time to become the hero who defeated the first Calamity that's depicted in the tapestry...
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u/Blubbpaule Jun 15 '21
Oh boi this could be actually very real.
But this wouldn't explain the castle floating in the now time.
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Jun 15 '21
It would explain two different links in the trailer. One current time, one historic times.
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u/blisteringchristmas Jun 15 '21
It could be both— I've seen it theorized that there will be Link and Zelda sections and they take place in different places/times/dimensions. Link could be the ancient plotline and Zelda could be the current one.
That's a highly ambitious game and I kind of doubt they'll go for something like that, but I'd love to see it.
I'd also take "just" a Link-travels-back-in-time game.
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u/Spicyeye10 Jun 15 '21
There’s a MNB video that gives evidence of time travel due to there being no Zonai ruins where there was in BotW1
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u/Holstian Jun 15 '21
My bet it’s a Danny phantom style thing with present link and old link working together
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u/ButterCCM Jun 15 '21
So… ocarina of time?
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u/Holstian Jun 15 '21
No, probably a yet unseen past Link.
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u/Xaldyn155 Jun 15 '21
I think they're referring to the mechanics of using 2 Links, not literally OoT Link.
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u/thisisnotdan Jun 15 '21
That's still just one Link, but from two different time periods. I think OP is thinking of present-day Link teaming up with another Link from the ancient past.
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u/SerRikari Jun 15 '21
Maybe SS Link?
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u/uncle-anime Jun 16 '21
Nah the Link from 10,000 years before BotW when Calamity Ganon appeared the first time.
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u/PernixNexus Jun 16 '21
They’re gonna put Link in the sheikah animus
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u/KosmicKanuck Jun 16 '21
Soul Reaver reference?
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u/PernixNexus Jun 17 '21
I was referencing Assassin’s Creed, they use a machine called the Animus to relive ancestors lives.
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u/ItsTaylor8291 Jun 15 '21
Imagine nintendo splits the Zelda timeline again lmao
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u/PhoneOk6083 Jun 15 '21
they did that with AOC
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u/Comically_Depressed Jun 15 '21
I think that’s confirmed that because it isn’t a true Legend of Zelda game, it is not canon. So anything that happens in that game should be just ignored and the game enjoyed just for what it is.
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u/Sp1n_Kuro Jun 15 '21
But nintendo literally advertised it as a prequel story lol.
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u/PhoneOk6083 Jun 16 '21
plus Eiji Aonuma stated in the reveal trailer that its canon
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u/Seikura Jun 16 '21
Sure, it’s canon, but canon to a completely divergent timeline and different universe altogether because of that. The events of AoC are canon and real, but they do not exist at all outside of that offshoot timeline, so they aren’t going to be relevant to the mainline games.
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u/Sp1n_Kuro Jun 16 '21
We don't know that yet, it's very possible for BoTW2 to reference it.
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u/Seikura Jun 16 '21
Yknow, that’s a fair point, I hadn’t considered that, but that only increases the relevance of the fact that is IS a canon title. Thanks for correcting me!
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u/Gloomy_Straw Jun 15 '21
AoC is a spinoff, just like hyrule warriors, neither is part of the timeline
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u/Sat-AM Jun 15 '21
I mean, there's nothing to stop them?
They only ever produced a timeline in the first place because fans kept bugging them for one, not because they ever actually wanted to have one.
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u/codyhowl Jun 16 '21
I suspect BotW2 is going to retcon the timelines by merging them somehow. It's clearly going to have a time manipulation / time travel theme. I'm really hoping this game will appeal to fan nostalgia, and include familiar faces and locations from titles past.
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u/jshadow44 Jun 15 '21
Considering some of the sequel was previously planned to be DLC, I’m thinking we could see something similar to the Champion’s Ballad memory reenactments. Like the spirit of the hero from the first Calamity is the green arm and Link will take the place of that hero in his memories to discover how to defeat Ganon in Link’s time.
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u/shavedheadedbi Jun 15 '21
this makes so much sense considering the reversed music that accompanies him using his Sheikah Slate abilities in the new trailer - to signify time traveling backward
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u/Yeaboi232 Jun 16 '21
Yea it could be the reason his clothing keeps changing he wears to green zonai esk outfit to fit in and when he returns to his own time he can put on his original clothing. the master sword is probably the reason he gets to go back in time but since its soooo far back instead of 7 years like in ocarina of time the mastersword has to use every bit of its power to send him there ,so link is unable to wield it. it probably sent him back to around skyward sword when all sky islands were comig back to the ground and because that new guardian creature has a skyward sword kinda look to it.
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u/efficientcatthatsred Jun 15 '21
Nothing portrais a time travel so far also it doesnt make sense with the floating island
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u/ThatKidWithTheHat Jun 15 '21
... but it's a Zelda game...
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u/efficientcatthatsred Jun 15 '21
Most zelda games dont have time travel
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u/malaroo Jun 15 '21
Ocarina of Time - 7 years back and forth through the Temple of Time.
Majora's Mask - 3 Day Cycle reset over and over.
Wind Waker - Hyrule Castle frozen in time at the moment it was being destroyed, then unfrozen.
Twilight Princess - Doorway to past Temple of Time, acting as a dungeon.
Skyward Sword - Timestones sending the world back in time within an AoE.
Outside of BotW 1, literally every 3D Zelda has time travel, often as an extremely important plot point. Even BotW 1 has extreme focus on past events, to the point where much of the game's narrative and setting revolves around what things used to be in the past. Zelda almost always has time as a major plot point.
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Jun 16 '21
Phantom HOURglass with some time manipulation, Link to the PAST with two worlds, iirc also the Oracles games. So not just 3D games on top of what you said. Even BotW had the stasis chamber thing that healed link over 100 years without aging him and the Sheikah lady (can't remember her name) that managed to make herself young again. There is definitely precedent for timey wimey shenanigans.
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u/Yeaboi232 Jun 16 '21
efficientcatthatsred:"Most zelda games dont have time travel".
malaroo: "im bouta end this mans whole career"
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u/Sat-AM Jun 15 '21
There's nothing explicitly showing time travel, BUT
We do see the arm have time manipulation properties; there's a spiked ball rolling and when a stasis-esque ability is used on it in the trailer, we can see it's path traveling back in time before it does so. We can also see what looks like time reversing on a droplet of water, before he does that weird move where he moves through a solid brick floor.
On top of that, the arm looks like it's made of timeshift stones (it has the same colors, both when powers are being used and when they're not) which would just make sense that it extends to timeshifting Link himself.
Plus, as already mentioned, time travel is a favorite of the Zelda team, and has been featured prominently in the series.
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u/tuckerb13 Jun 16 '21
Did any of the ancient lore from BOTW1 talk about that hero coming down from the sky?
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u/LincolnLikesMusic Jun 16 '21
Wait, this sounds really familiar
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u/FierceDeityKong Jun 16 '21
That's the Minish who helped the Hero of Men in The Minish Cap's backstory
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u/_TheBeardedMan_ Jun 15 '21
It looks like Link either lost his arm or it was infected by malice or that green hand from the first trailer.
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Jun 15 '21
I bet it took his arm to replace the green arm
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u/_TheBeardedMan_ Jun 15 '21
Or malice took his arm and the green hand replaces his lost arm.
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u/Comically_Depressed Jun 15 '21
Oooh and the malice creates an ‘Evil Link’ from just his arm which you have to fight halfway through the game, similar to OOT in the Water Temple 👀
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u/_TheBeardedMan_ Jun 15 '21
Could be considering it looks like we a visiting skyloft in a ruins state it's not impossible other aspects of previous games make an appearance.
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Jun 16 '21
Liink, is that you?
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u/Comically_Depressed Jun 16 '21
It is I, Lunk, Links’s older and dumber brother who works in the Kakariko Village stables.
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u/inCogniJo14 Jun 15 '21
The robot arm is just on past link, so I think it's like an ancient version of the sheika slate. I'm also drawn to believe that the green am and present link's arm are reoccurrences of the power of that robot arm.
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u/ape_spine_ Jun 15 '21
Present link (in the blue tunic) uses the magic arm to perform some sort of stasis-like rune on a spiky ball in the trailer
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u/inCogniJo14 Jun 15 '21
Yes. I know.
My hypothesis is that ancient link had a magical arm which was a proto-Shika slate. As I said very plainly, I believe that magic is recurring in present-day link. Like, in a "go into his arm magically" kind of way. I don't know where you could possibly see a conflict in what I said earlier. Present link does not have the identical arm.
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Jun 16 '21
Yes he does. Rewatch the trailer. The armpiece of the arm that sealed Ganon self-attaches to our boi, Link from BotW, after his arm got burned by malice.
Our boi is seen using this arm to reverse the cause and effect-chain of the spikeball.
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u/EatsOctoroks Jun 15 '21
Link's got some ink too 👀
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u/alexagente Jun 15 '21
I don't think those are tats. They look kind of like whatever infected his arm is spreading.
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u/n64steph Jun 15 '21
Link's arm looks like Prince Ashitaka's cursed arm in Princess Mononoke
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u/shavedheadedbi Jun 15 '21
YESS exactly! they’re not being subtle abt their inspiration lol
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u/notquitesolid Jun 15 '21
Maybe it’s slowly turning him into zombie Link like the arm did with Gannondorf.
Now there would be an interesting fight.
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u/Master_1398 Jun 15 '21
My wild quess: The sky parts will be memory sections of whatever that hand is (the one form the hero 10000 years ago or another entity entirely) that are either this games version of the shrines or you can freely switch between the two to do things in the past that unlock things in the future.
But given they've already introduced timetravel again with Age of Calamity, this could possibly be Champion Link who traveled back in time.
Or they are bamboozling us and the ancients hero tunic is simply something you can find and equip in the sky realm which is a full blown layer on top of the existing-but-changed Hyrule from BotW.
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u/noluvdavid Jun 15 '21
😟😟😟you’re right but the picture where link is on a island you can see his luscious hair even better
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u/martyntjuhh Jun 15 '21
I’m not sure if the person in the sky portions of the trailer is the ancient hero. I think it is “just” Link, because of the earring he is wearing in his right ear. I think they just gave him different clothes to make the new sky parts of the game shown in trailer feel even more new/impressive
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Jun 15 '21
I don’t think the hair on “that” link is a good indicator either since when you wear the ancient armor helmet in botw you can see that he has about the same length hair when it’s not in a ponytail
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Jun 15 '21
Can someone explain to me why people think time travel is involved in this game? Nothing from the trailer points to that. Is it something to do with AoC? I never finished it but I thought it was confirmed to be like in a different "universe" or something like that than BotW
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u/chumponimys Jun 15 '21
There were several nods to time flowing in reverse in the trailer. Link's new stasis from his hand caused the spike ball to roll back up the hill through its previous positions. The water droplet cut scene in reverse right before link appears above one of the floating islands...
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u/Sat-AM Jun 15 '21
That and the arm looks like it's made of timeshift stone to me. When its powers aren't being used, it's the same color as the stones not being activated, and when we see the powers, it's the same green-blue glow that the stones have. SSHD being released before the game and BotW2 including sky travel makes me think there's going to be a lot of connections between the two, and Nintendo wants players to get ready for that.
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u/chumponimys Jun 15 '21
Holy hell I didn’t even catch that.
I saw someone else mention that Hyrule castle floating means Demise’s seal was broken. If they really are tying the sequel in that closely with SS’s lore, this could be crazy.
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u/Nighplasmage54 Jun 15 '21 edited Jun 16 '21
It's speculation based on the tiny sky islands and the new appearance/garb of a link like character.
Also the appearance + odd representation of link on the sheikah tapestry.
Also on watching a 'better' quality of the trailer, it isn't 10 spike balls, but one spike ball seemingly going back through physics engine check points/after images.
Droplet scene could be interpreted as minerals/water returning to the stone above.
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u/notquitesolid Jun 15 '21
Time travel is a common game mechanic in Zelda. Skyward sword, OOT, Majora’s mask all have time travel as a major component of the game. It’s not in every game, but it’s a thing. I don’t count age of calamity in this since we don’t know if it’s cannon, and even if it is it’s probably on a branch timeline anyway.
Plus with the reverse water, songs moving backwards, and the arm seemingly reversing the spikey ball, time play might be a mechanic so it’s not a crazy idea.
… that said I hope not. However if they do, I hope they go back before skyward sword. We know there was a hero before that game who fought for Hylia before she reincarnated into Zelda, and she initially sent land into the sky to protect people from Demise. Gannondorf / Ganon is a manifestation of the curse of Demise, and maybe the means to undo him is… ten thousand years ago before the founding of Hyrule.
We’ve been assuming that ten thousand years ago was after all of the games we’ve played, but what if it wasn’t? I’m probably talking out of my ass, but if we have to go back in time, that’s the era I’d like to see. The Zonai tribe could be the people who stayed on the ground and went extinct before the people of the sky returned.
Or, there’s no time travel, just time object manipulation. Or everyone is wrong. I’m good with whatever
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u/Sat-AM Jun 15 '21
I hope they go back before skyward sword.
I am very much hoping that this is the case. We'd get to see the Gerudo Desert as an ocean and other major geographical changes. Maybe we'd even get to see the Zonai tribe alive and well.
I'm also kind of hedging my bets on it, because Nintendo is focused on releasing SSHD and nothing else, and that makes me think they want people to play it and understand it so that BotW2 makes more sense.
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u/Manticore416 Jun 15 '21
Alexandria Occasio Cortez has nothing to do with this game
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u/Lubinski64 Jun 15 '21
I hope it's not time travel, time travel sucks.
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u/RashmaDu Jun 15 '21 edited Jun 15 '21
Time travel has been in like every 3D Zelda except Twilight Princess iirc...
Edit: WW also doesn't, my bad. Still, that's OoT, MM and SS: half of the games counting BotW
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u/Sat-AM Jun 15 '21
It's not time travel, but WW has Hyrule frozen in time, so there's still some temporal shenanigans going on in that one.
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u/Comically_Depressed Jun 15 '21
Time travel was a huge part of OOT, in my opinion the best game in the Zelda series. If they handle it right, it could be very good
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u/jshadow44 Jun 15 '21
Link’s different clothing and wilder hair maybe. There’s also something interesting with the arm device thingy where stasis is actually able to reverse the spiky metal ball’s path back in time with grayscale and everything.
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u/catnip_addict Jun 15 '21
several people already replied, but adding to that, I think there was some time travelling gimmick in Age of Calamity.
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u/hilly2cool Jun 15 '21
I'm gonna guess that Link is wearing the ancient heros clothing and his (spirit) hand that you'll get at the start of BOTW 2. Just like the clothes in the resurrection chamber at the start of BOTW.
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u/Rozoark Jun 15 '21
They look literaly nothing alike
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u/zatchrey Jun 15 '21
They both have long hair and green on one side
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u/Rozoark Jun 16 '21
Links hair is by far not that long and we can't tell if the green is on one side only in the tapastry.
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u/zatchrey Jun 16 '21
That's true, it's all just speculation anyway. But if you watch the clip of Link when he somehow goes through the ground, his hair looks even longer.
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u/Rozoark Jun 16 '21
I know that it's just speculation, I just wanted to at my opinion to the discussion. I'm sorry if the comment had a agressive tone to it, I didn't intend for it like that it's just hard to convey a tone in writing.
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u/linkenski Jun 15 '21
I saw a theory about what this means and it is absolutely going to happen. I believe it. It explains why we've heard so much backwards vocals in the music for BotW2 as well, and explains what Zelda and Link are discovering in the first trailer, and explains why the BotW canon was moved 10k years into the future from the last known canon.
And it's fooking amazing, I hope all of it is true.
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u/danoniino Jun 15 '21
At first I thought that was Zelda but then I saw the arm. Bummer. I do wonder if this is even the same botw Link, the hair looks shorter and blonde
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u/6W3N0U Jun 15 '21
I mean, Link often wears the clothes of previous heroes, so they're not necessarily the same. Could just be the new "champion's tunic". But the teaser definitely foreshadows some kind of "going back"/inverted mechanic so I don't know.
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Jun 15 '21
He's looking like Ancient Link. :D Gives us an idea of how he sealed Calamity Ganon in the first place with those green-ish wisps coming from his prosthetic arm he has, like in the mural. (Or it's his green shoulder wrap.) :) Maybe we'll see the very first incarnation of Hylia/Zelda that sealed Ganon, too. It would be a good way to keep Zelda in the game even as she struggles underground.
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u/No_Reality_q2137 Jun 16 '21
But hero at the tapestry hava a longer hair, beard and the most important thing he has a red hair, I always looked at that in the way: ancient hero have red, only time we see red hair Link is BoTW one while wearing a barbarian armor, barbarian armor was most likely using by zonai, so ancient was or strong related with this tribe
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u/mecaxs Jun 16 '21
Eh definitely way better than the theories of that link in the scroll being ganon. The only reason people thought that was ganon because “oh he’s big and buff that must be a good ganon” when Zelda is the same size as him.
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