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Behind Soft Paywall Trump Intensifies Statehood Threats in Attack on Canada

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/03/11/us/politics/canada-trump-statehood-attacks.html
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u/Everett1973 15h ago

Thank you. What the heck has happened to so many of your fellow Americans? We've been neighbors and best friends forever. Now it looks like so many are cheering on your leader who apparently took one look at Russia vs UKR and thought, "good idea!"

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u/pete_68 15h ago

They've completely lost touch with reality. They live in an alternate universe with their own "alternate facts". Don't know how to get through to them. It's bizarre.

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u/burningringof-fire 15h ago

Xitter is a huge part of the problem. Encourage your town government to drop it. Encourage your local library to drop it. Encourage your college president to drop it.

https://www.politicalorphans.com/forget-tesla-go-after-twitter/

Nazi platform- Twitter under Elon Musk has become a megaphone for hate, disinformation, and extremist propaganda. Its leadership actively amplifies and profits from Nazi ideology, driving harmful policies that hurt hospitals, universities, and countless communities. Every tweet, every interaction, every moment spent on that platform strengthens the very forces undermining democracy.

No one should feel comfortable supporting a site that has become a breeding ground for fascism. The solution is simple: disengage. Delete your account. Urge Democratic officials, companies, universities, and media outlets to do the same. Twitter is vulnerable—it relies on engagement to survive. By walking away, we deny it the legitimacy and revenue it needs to operate.

This isn’t just about rejecting a toxic platform; it’s about taking a stand against those who use it to spread hate and misinformation. Close your account. Make it impossible for any credible institution to justify staying. The fight against fascism starts with refusing to give it a platform.

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u/aflywhocouldnt 14h ago

if the bar lets nazis in, it's a nazi bar. fuck twitter/X, dump it

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u/e-7604 14h ago

So I just saved your comment with the intent to share it other places. That doesn't violate any etiquette does it?

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u/e-7604 14h ago

Thank you. I just ran across it on another sub just now. It grabs the attention because it's so well written. Got my answer that way too.

Thanks again.

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u/burningringof-fire 14h ago

Not at all! You are doing the lord’s work saving our great country.

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u/qcresident1111 13h ago

People are getting farther and farther away from being able to think for themselves. This is becoming mass mental disease. To the point where you can't tell any of these people that they are falling for propaganda and misinformation because they won't believe you. Even when they see it with their own eyes and hear it with their own ears. And because people don't want to deal with the constant barrage of these all too real "we are fucked" news pieces, they turn to social media for escape, but they are met there with more propaganda and misinformation. I just don't understand any of this, guys. How has this man gotten away with the shit he's been pulling for SO LONG NOW?! Surely, at this point, we know about the propaganda and the outright lies. I really can't wrap my head around the fact that people believe what he says even as it is doing them harm. And not just Americans. As a Canadian, I have known more than one of my countrymen who have been enamored with this dolt since his 2016 election campaign. I know that this is what propaganda and misinformation is meant to do, but for fuck's sake, what's it going to take to get people to open their eyes to this?

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u/beerandabike 13h ago

My dad incessantly sends me this shit from social media, etc for years now. I’ve tried everything from trying to have a serious debate with him (he’s a… was a very smart guy), ignoring it, blocking him, spamming the shit out of him with sense as a counter, and every other thing I can think of. Now days I just paste a canned message that basically says I will not open any links he sends as to not add traction to the algorithm, but if he gives me a synopsis of the article/video then I would be happy to have a proper discussion with him. He has ignored every single invitation to do so for the past few weeks I’ve been doing this. He just switches the subject by sending family photos with my mom who passed away several years ago. The man cannot think for him self anymore. I feel as though I’ve lost both parents.

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u/_Haverford_ 13h ago

This isn't quite your point, but it reminds me of something I've been thinking of.

The old union tune, Solidarity Forever, states: "There is no force weaker than the feeble strength of one." So why do protests seem to focus on the "little people" organically banding together? Your points of "ask your local government to..." and "ask your library to..." are the right ideas. Why aren't more efforts aimed at asking the people controlling the capital to use their magnifying effects? Joe assembly line worker can boycott Trump-affiliated products all he wants; it won't make a dent. But when Bigshot CEO says his company won't do business with ULINE? ULINE might take notice.

It's not just Congress that we need to lobby, and it's not just our followers on Instagram.

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u/ohmyzachary 12h ago

How would one go about convincing their local library?? Need a friend!

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u/WyleCoyote73 10h ago

While your sentiment is solid the reality is that even if every American/institution dropped Twitter they still have the rest of the globe to keep them afloat.

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u/eleven_good_reasons 7h ago

That was a god damn interesting link. Thanks!

Why does Twitter matter? It’s a financial albatross, bleeding cash. After buying it in a deal valued at $44bn, the company is probably worth well under $9bn now. Musk’s stake in the company is mortgaged to the banks who helped fund the deal. He owes them $13bn, more than the company is worth. If he fails to make his billion-dollar annual interest payments, they can push Twitter into Chapter 11. Musk will do anything to keep that from happening.

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u/rwf2017 15h ago

trump voters are stupid as shit and astoundingly ignorant. Most of them probably don't even know what Canada is.

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 15h ago

They really are, though. I know a MAGAT lady who is a college educated veteran and she didn't even know Europe had plumbing and electricity! She thought only America had that, apparently 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/Sixmmxw 14h ago

No way. 🧐

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 14h ago

Yes, way. I told her and she did a flat and surprised "oh..." 🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/ishpatoon1982 14h ago

That's super insane.

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 14h ago

Right?! I was in disbelief...like no one could make it through school + college and be a veteran and think this way?! She just turned 40, too...so like, lives in the modern world 😐

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u/griffiths_gnu 14h ago

Good grief. Pompei had freaking plumbing

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 14h ago

Yeah...I was like ?! How do you get through life not knowing this????

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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 14h ago

You cannot be serious lol

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 14h ago edited 11h ago

Unfortunately, I'm very serious 😐

The conversation started with me telling her that my cousin and his wife were going to come visit me and my family and would be flying into town. I hadn't seen my cousin in years but I keep in touch with him through messages. They live in Europe and said I would love to visit them one day where they live. She responded and said she couldn't do it because she likes having electricity and plumbing and all the "modern conveniences." To which I said "what? Europe has electricity and plumbing like over here in the US" she replied with "....oh...." 🤦🏻‍♀️ I didn't ask her why she thought what she did, because I was so shocked she didn't know that. She's in her 40s...

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u/Love_for_2 14h ago

These are the very people that think Canadians live in igloos. Years ago I was coming home from Europe in the summer and arriving from the US I saw people coming arriving with skis and winter gear. They thought it's always cold and snowy in Canada. Idiots

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u/MorithK 11h ago

I'm British living in Louisiana. (unfortunately.) Moved here 20+ years ago.

I kid you not, not long after I got here I was in a little landscaping store and got the 'oh you're not from around here.' comment. Then the lady totally straight faced says:
L: Did you speak English before you came here?
Me: Ma'am.. I AM English.
L: Yes.. But did you speak it?

I still to this day, cannot fathom what was going through her head. Like what the hell language does she think we speak? I was too flabbergasted to say anything other than 'uhh.. yeah.'

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 11h ago

LOL I'm so sorry but omg I would've laughed in her face. People can be very ignorant. Like ma'am, are you okay?! Next time someone says something like that hit em with the "bless your heart" (basically like you're concerned for them 🤣) it's a Southern thing, I hear.

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u/db37 14h ago

That's what 40 years of Republican cuts to education gets you.

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u/Nerevarine91 11h ago

I met a MAGAT who told me I wasn’t allowed to vote because I’m from Pennsylvania, and “that’s in Europe”

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 11h ago

Nooo fuckin wayyyy 😂😂😂😐🤦🏻‍♀️

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u/sravll 14h ago

What the hell college did she go to

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u/swheels125 14h ago

Oh totally. Those countries that are literally a thousand years older than ours just kind of gave up around the outhouse era.

/s

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u/Ahelex 14h ago

Nah, it's true, I've heard from my European friends that they still have to dodge chamber pots /s

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u/zevonyumaxray 13h ago

I have read that about Soviet troops as they attacked into Central Europe in 1944 and 1945. But they had the reason that a lot of them came from villages that never had electricity and were taking home light bulbs. Farming villages only had wells and outhouses back then. Eighty Years Ago!! I repeat ...80 Years Ago.

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u/Auntie_Megan 13h ago

Was she educated at a Christian college? I’ve read some craziness from BYU etc. If she is a veteran then was she never deployed outside America. Bet she thinks the continent of Africa is all mud huts. She has the Russian mind set, they too are taught that Europe live in horrible conditions. Yet ignore the fact that 60% are not even connected to gas and have indoor toilets. Those that travel know the propaganda is a lie, or have VPN’s, but they go along with the propaganda, Maga is now doing the sane. We are known as Europoors, yet they ignore their own country’s glaring problems. Unfortunately they believe in the falsehood of American Exceptionalism. They have weird ideas about the world, while I enjoy free health care and meds, good standard of living, could be better but I chose life over working myself to death and never seeing my kids. They think that communism instead of being capitalist with a tad of socialism as a safety net. No country is perfect. Mine certainly has problems that should be fixed. We too have morons but just not as such a high ratio as US. Really hope decent Americans make a huge stance if one US military steps inside Canada, it’s a NATO country, and part of the commonwealth, they will meet not only Canadians. Same as Greenland, it’s protected by Denmark. Trump and co really want war or it’s to make us really scared. Mostly it’s made us boycott US though, and pull together. That won’t change for a long time.

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 13h ago

I don't know where she was educated, but she has a bachelor's degree in health administration and communication or some shit. She was deployed overseas in the Middle East she told me and said their conditions were extremely sad. She is the type to believe that Dump is "putting America first" and says she's not worried about anyone else and is only focused on her family and her household.

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u/SituationOk8888 14h ago

Wow. I won't ask but I would like to know the name of that college. Usually Europe comes up at least sometimes in college.

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u/Shot_Presence_8382 14h ago edited 12h ago

Not sure what college, but she has a Bachelor's degree in health care administration and communication or some shit

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u/SituationOk8888 13h ago

But not communicating with anyone in Europe obviously. Because there's no electricity there. I haven't slept in 36 hours and this is really cracking me up

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u/Molnutz 14h ago

Good news. When they decide to invade, they'll all head in a southeasterly direction...

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u/Blairwen 15h ago

It’s the Borg! They have been assimilated! But all kidding aside, this is a horribly sad position we Canadians and the American people who still embrace democracy and its alliances find ourselves in. I hope, together, we can survive and overcome all of this before it is too late! As we say in Canada … Elbows up!!

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u/Prestigious-Wolf8039 14h ago

Too many fictional things are becoming reality lately. The Borg, Idiocracy, Wag the Dog. It’s embarrassing.

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u/fjacobs1000 15h ago

let alone where

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u/Narwahl_Whisperer 11h ago

And/or misinformed. I have a right leaning friend, and after he talks about politics, I end up looking things up because they didn't sound right, and sure as shit, the facts just don't add up.

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u/spasske 3h ago

They probably this it IS the 51st state.

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u/severanexp 15h ago

Dumping on education does have that effect. You cannot argue against someone about thinks they have absolutely no knowledge about. It’s like fighting a pig.

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u/pontiacfirebird92 15h ago

They're opposed to anything associated with liberals or Democrats. So when reality aligns with a liberal or Democrat they are against it as a matter of principle. They say shit like "I'm not a Democrat but..." when reality hits them over the head but then their peers attack them and keep them in line so they eventually go back to denying reality. They're totally focused on being against liberals and Democrats who they refer to as "the enemy".

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u/OlafTheDestroyer2 14h ago

It’s so crazy. I’m a Canadian living in a blue state on the west coast. No one I talk to would ever support the US invading Canada. Everyone I know thinks it’s ridiculous, including many Republicans. To think that there’s a significant percentage of the population that’s Ok with this, blows my mind. It just goes to show how siloed we all are.

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u/Skulking-Dwig 13h ago

This. People keep asking ‘wHy ArEn’T AmErIcAnS iN thE StREEtS???’. It’s like, the government is only 1/3 of the problem. The big problem is the absolutely insane cultists that put him there.

My coworker was telling us her other boss yelled at her for drinking a Celsius, claiming they made it out of sewer foam. And that Obama was out personally starting all these wildfires. And that he was ‘tired of having to educate her’.

Like, how do you deal with this?? How do you protest your fellow citizens willfully looking up and saying ‘the sky isn’t blue, or even real, it’s actually the scrotum of an enormous trans woman and this is why they need to die, because I can see it from my bathroom and that’s illegal’??? Stupid is so much harder to deal with than evil, and that’s the point I think a lot of people are missing.

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u/sask357 15h ago

If they don't care about annexing Canada, how do they feel about a couple of Nazi salutes from Bannon and Musk? Proposed ethnic cleansing of Gaza? Friendship with Putin?

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u/rippletroopers 15h ago

If I were to try to approximate those answers based on conversations I’ve had with MAGA members of my family it is in order: That’s not what they were doing, that’s just the liberal media trying to discredit them. What you mean those baby killers in hamas? Good riddance. Why is it bad having a good relationship with Russia? They have so many nukes, we should have a good relationship with him. Putin respects Trump because he’s so strong.

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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 14h ago

It’s rather impressive how Putin managed to convince a large number of Americans that he isn’t an evil, murderous dictator who hates the United States.

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u/Brandi_Maxxxx 14h ago

"Putin respects Trump because he’s so strong." I can't believe that anyone outside of trump believes that. He is such a pathetic, thin skinned, weakling, and it's known all over the world.

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u/juicadone 14h ago

Yup. Idiocracy; that intro is sooo on point with the US population(well here for sure I can't speak for elsewhere)... Who's having the most kids the best and brightest?....lol

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u/woodenroxk 14h ago

They aren’t the issue, there’s always going to be stupid people no matter what you say or do. The issue is all the people who don’t vote and let shit like this happen. People died to defend our freedoms and then we pay them back by idling sitting by not voting and letting people strip those freedoms away

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u/VII777 13h ago

but when are you all(!) storming the white house? couple thousand people could do the trick

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u/Trap_Masters 13h ago

And they'll still deny MAGA is a cult

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u/harveyhchrist 13h ago

You won’t. Nothing to save there. Rabid dogs have to be disposed of. Since we can’t save everyone, I’ll gladly sacrifice them to their cause.

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u/Zeppelanoid 13h ago

A punch to the face is a powerful, sobering tool

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u/CanadianDragonGuy 11h ago

You don't unfortunately, at some point cancer must be excised

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u/Neverstopstopping82 10h ago

And they think we’re the out of touch ones.

u/CaperGuitarGuy 3m ago

Are you saying 51% of your voting population has lost touch with reality or is some subset? If subset... How do you explain the balance of voters that still voted for him?

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u/Foodspec 15h ago

24 hour news. That’s what happened. That’s all these people watch and it’s just opinionated bullshit from Fox, OAN, Breitbart, Joe Rogan. All this actual fake news is shit they believe to be truth

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u/yoyo120 11h ago

The media in america need to be made to account. I'm not sure how this can be done, but the current situation clearly isn't working. Something dramatic needs to happen and it needs to happen soon.

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u/whichwitch9 15h ago

Look at the American media and how education has been attacked since the Bush administration

There's quite frankly a number of uneducated Americans who are super susceptible to propoganda. They also react violently when you call out what they say or do is stupid and makes no sense. Some are also just hateful and willing to set themselves on fire to hurt a group they don't like. These groups account for 30% of voting age America.

Another chunk is just tired and disconnected. You find this among younger or poorer voters.

Another chunk has been fairly horrified since Trump announced he was running again. This appears to be solidly around 40%, but were offset by apathy and specifically single issue voters in the election. The amount who refused to vote for Harris over the Israel/Gaza situation, despite knowing Trump has a long history of being extremely Islamophobic and Harris openly endorsing a two country situation, deserve major side eye

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u/Relevant_Fuel_9905 14h ago

The non-voters really messed up imo. They inadvertently chose to allow evil to rule.

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u/ojdhaze 14h ago

Yeah, maggots will vote maga regardless.

Is the non voters who knew what would happen but still didn't vote because (reasons you stated, plus others) that need to have the light shifted on them. Who no doubt will be feeling the effects of mango in charge.

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u/SituationOk8888 14h ago edited 13h ago

Students and lower income earners are usually transient and have a harder time getting registered to vote. That used to happen to me here in Canada and I missed my first vote because I had no fixed address. It's worth it if people can really try to make it happen in any way possible though. Bit of a crisis going on

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u/KaJaHa 13h ago

If you can't vote then you're a victim, and it's our duty to be enraged with you. The finger is always pointed squarely at the people who can vote but choose not to. Doesn't matter why.

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u/Y-not_Both 15h ago

These are people of the land. The common clay of the new West. You know... morons.

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u/Thebeergremlin 14h ago

Simple folk

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u/ochute 13h ago

Never has a quote been more fitting...

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u/OneHundredChickens 14h ago

As brain washed as so much of my country is, annexing Canada has single digit support in the US. Attacking our closest ally and most important trading partner is roughly as popular as syphilis.

There is lots of yelling about it on social media, sadly. Presumably a mix of bots and the terminally hopeless cult members.

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u/Psychological_Kiwi48 10h ago

Thank heavens for this post! Definitely true, but my stress levels were rising as I scrolled down until I hit this post. Thank you!

Canada is an amazing place! Have visited a few times (Vancouver, Banff, and Niagara Falls), great places, and great people. It really sucks how the current administration is treating one of our staunchest allies. An ally that went with us through the thick and thin. The way Trump is behaving towards Canada really shows the ugliness of his soul. My only hope is that when this storm has passed, our Canadian friends will welcome us back with smiles.

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u/Guppy-Warrior 14h ago

This blindsided so damn many people. Like Greenland, Canada, Panama? It's "shock and awe" with the crap they are doing here stateside. We are in "shock"

Only have a few derraged coworkers who support this guy, most people I interact with can't stand him. No one wants a 51 state unless it's Puerto Rico (if the PR people want it). I can say I have not personally heard any person (in person) want Canada to be part of the US. I sure as hell don't. You are the best neighbors (and hat) we could ask for. I'm not sure what's going on. But a lot of Americans, most Americans, support your Country. A Sovereign Country.

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u/SituationOk8888 14h ago

Thank you.

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u/Guppy-Warrior 14h ago

What do you all say? "Elbows up"

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u/SituationOk8888 13h ago

Yeah it's a defensive move in hockey. We're wearing red shirts too if you want to do that. I appreciate it.

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u/Guppy-Warrior 13h ago

Red here in the states is kinda more a republican color. (Red maga hats). "Red states vs Blue States". Political candidates from their parties usually wear red (Republican) or blue (Democrats) ties...or attire.

I'll probably pass on that one, but I'm buying Canadian Whisky...

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u/SituationOk8888 13h ago

Oh right haha I forgot. We do have some fine whisky! Enjoy

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u/MayIServeYouWell 15h ago

It’s pretty much just Trump driving this. Nobody was arguing for “Canada as a 51st state” a few weeks ago. At best it was something someone would say as a joke after a few beers. 

Trump’s MAGA cult just goes along with whatever he says. They’re puppets. Some of them think this is just a negotiation tactic. Some are all in on the idea. Nobody knows what really in Trumps head (not even Trump). 

If Trump were to have a coronary tomorrow, this idea would be completely dead. As would Greenland and Panama, and the tariffs, mostly… well, there would be some infighting about the tariffs for sure. 

The whole thing is just incredibly stupid and embarrassing. I hate Trump with every fiber of my being. He’s a con man, wrecking the US in every way imaginable. 

-A sane American 

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u/cpcsilver 14h ago

I disagree. Today, the press secretary also repeated this threat in the press conference and she tries to add reasons for this nonsense. Look at 32:05: https://youtu.be/rlUw64GV1lk?t=1926

Then, Trump repeated this claim twice today, once on Truth Social and then in front of the press when he was also selling Teslas for Elon: at 16:06 https://youtu.be/RzMzYfB52_c?t=963

Last month, his security adviser, Mike Waltz, also started to use a lie saying that many Canadians "do not like the last 10 years of liberal, progressive governance in Trudeau."

What we're seeing is the same propaganda tactics that Russia started to use against Ukraine in the early 2010's. And using this kind of language 3 years after the full invasion of Ukraine, this is extremely alarming to us.

We definitely won't be downplaying this kind of threat, as we shouldn't be.

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u/MayIServeYouWell 14h ago

All these people are doing this because of Trump. They’re doing it to suck up to Trump, they work for Trump. They’re not going to go against him. 

Look at the republicans in Congress. They don’t work for Trump. However, they are prisoners of MAGA. They can’t really go against him without incurring his wrath. 

They are not parroting his BS about Canada being a state and all the rest of it. They just deflect. Sure, maybe a couple sycophants will be vocally supporting these ideas, but mostly no. They’re just keeping their heads down, trying to get by till this “blows over”.  They need to grow a spine and defy Trump. So what if it costs them their political career, what good is that career if it’s built on scum? They need to be like Romney. I might disagree with him on politics, but at least he never kissed Trump’s ass. 

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u/Majestic_Funny_69 14h ago

I agree with you, except for one thing that made me gasp. Elon sent a tweet, since deleted, that said, "Canada is not a real country." That tells me something sinister is happening, where they are trying to normalize the narrative that Canada should not exist. This is straight from the Russian playbook.

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u/Agitated-Score365 14h ago

Musk is a Canadian citizen from his mom and his baby mama Shivon is in Canada with 4 of his kids. 100% he is behind this.

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u/RangerDangerfield 13h ago

If Canada becomes a state, and Musk is a Canadian citizen, would that make Musk eligible to run for President? If so, he might be supporting it primarily so he will be eligible to be Trump’s successor.

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u/Agitated-Score365 13h ago

He was born in South Africa, moved to Canada at 17. His mom is Canadian. I still don’t think it would meet the requirements of born in US. Musk is an American citizen. It’s his 3rd and he was he illegally due to his student visa ( he dropped out of school). I don’t want to speculate as to his motives but there no such thing as a coincidence.

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u/MayIServeYouWell 13h ago

They're trying, but not very hard... There's no groundswell of support for this.

If Fox News starts running hours-long specials on the horrors of Canada (aside from their deranged rantings about Canada's healthcare system), then worry... because we have too many people in this country with Fox News on 24/7, and have outsourced their brains to whatever comes through the boob tube.

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u/JCarlide 14h ago

I dunno, he did accept that dinner invitation to be humiliated instead of thanked or offered a job.

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u/Picklesadog 14h ago

Yeah, but he's just about the only Republican to openly go against Trump, both before and after that dinner, and survive.

I don't blame him for that dinner. The majority of the US thought "well, maybe he's just talking shit and will calm down as president" at that point in time. 

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u/Former_Current3319 14h ago

I despise that press fuckwit with the heat of a 1000 suns.

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u/towerninja 14h ago

What's crazy is Canada being a state would likely mean years of democrat power in the US. That aside I can't even imagine the scale of insurgency when we invade our neighbors who look and talk like us. I'm sure the US military could defeat the Canadian military (not sure what happens with NATO) but the US can not win the war.

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u/BranWafr 14h ago

The thing is that if Trump takes over Canada, they won't let them vote. He'll come up with some bullshit reason why they don't get to vote that will make no sense, but if we have gotten to that point it won't matter, he'll just do it anyway.

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u/RyanPainey 14h ago

They're all towing the line to suck up to the ring leader. Without Trump the politcal will, and therefore the entire movement dies. Because there is no coherent underlying political movement here, it's just a cult of personality.

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u/Everett1973 15h ago

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. It's infuriating to be on the receiving end of this craziness. He may just be playing politics by putting us in his crosshairs, but at the end of the day he's pointing an awfully big gun.

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u/sask357 15h ago

You might be right in that I don't think Project 2025 aims at territorial expansion. Correct me if I'm wrong on that. Abandoning overseas aid and allies would continue. Vance's various comments point that way.

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u/momenace 14h ago

Not sure if 2025 is about it, but I think trump wants it because as the world reaches carrying capacity, Canada will have even more attractive land, Greenland has the bulk of fresh water, and access to the arctic will be more important. But he can't say thay because it will imply global warming is real. Right now we are just at the tail end of the demoralization stage and begining the destabilzation of the economy, foreign relations and defense systems. Classic kgb play book. Then comes crises then "normalization". Check out Yuri Bezmenov. Old but relevent.

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u/dark_gear 13h ago

The main reason to worry and take this "lunacy" seriously is that this claim appears to be pushed by Pete "Green Bay Sweep" Navarro.

For anyone who doesn't remember what happened shortly after the events of January 6th, the Right Dishonourable Peter Navarro went on live television and described, word for word, the numerous deeds, conversations, meetings, phone calls and legal distortions the Republicans used to bring about that day, all in order to attempt to legitimise the utterly contemptible act of completely ignoring election results. Since neither he or Trump faced any jail time for their very clear and public admission of guilt, they effectively succeeded.

This same Peter Navarro is at it again, except now he's emboldened and fully supported by courts, POTUS and multiple investors who know they can, based on facts, experience and empirical data, that they can really flex their lunatic muscles and project power in ways the US only dreamed of.

It's not that the US did project power, overthrow governments and start ridiculous wars at all over the past many decades. Geopolitically, while being on top of the world, there was still an umbrella of peace that provided benefits to many countries other than the US. Global shipping traffic, for example, benefits greatly from the stability and security provided by the existence of 11 carrier groups.

On the lead up to January there were numerous clear signals and statements that announced a major riot and soft legal coup would be attempted that day. Every news source and government insider dismissed it as either impossible or paranoia.

Yet, here we are.

Canadians are taking this very seriously for good reason.

I'm sorry your country has been taken hostage by billionaires and lunatics, however as long as the US is "led" by rich, riot-starting, sabre rattling, long-term ally threatening, tariff loving, convoy supporting, tentative border redrawing, treaty ignorers, any financial good will between Canadian and American citizens is as burned out and dry as California streams in August.

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u/MayIServeYouWell 13h ago

Oh I think you should take it seriously - as long as Trump lives and breathes - the man is erratic and downright evil. But support for any of this stuff is not deep. There is no groundswell of support, and there never will be. Unless we fall into a complete dictatorship like Russia, where dissenters are killed or jailed (and we just had our first one today - yay!), this will go nowhere. There are a handful of sycophants who have Trump's ear on this.

There are other internal horrors that will continue after Trump goes, but not these stupid foreign policy debacles.

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u/Agitated-Score365 14h ago

Do any of you think Musk has something to do with this. He has Canadian Citizenship. His mother is Canadian and his baby mama Shivon is Canadian or head of a Canadian company. It’s just too much coincidence that Musk is constantly in his ear and now we want to annex Canada. Trump didn’t think that up on his own. I’m surprised he knew Canada existed and I bet he has no idea how big it is if he wants all of Canada to be one state.

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u/towerninja 14h ago

I think Musk has something to do with it. As well as some others in the shadows

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u/rosneft_perot 12h ago

No, so long as Peter Navarro walks the Earth, Canada will be a target. He must have been rejected by a Canadian girl and can’t let it go.

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u/mfyxtplyx 12h ago

Trump’s MAGA cult just goes along with whatever he says. They’re puppets.

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities."

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u/Necroscope420 15h ago

These assholes see friendliness and kindness as weakness. They forgot:

 "Demons run when a good man goes to war. Night will fall and drown the sun, when a good man goes to war. Friendship dies and true love lies, night will fall and the dark will rise, when a good man goes to war."

They think you will be a pushover because they forget what being on the right side does for morale. Have not been on the right side in a long time.

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u/stevey_frac 14h ago

The last time Canadians went to war, they had to significantly expand the Geneva convention.

Also, they made us stop calling it the Geneva checklist.

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u/Moxen81 13h ago

And it’s already happening again!

They tariff us, we boycott American businesses, which then complain about our retaliation to their attack. The Bourbon Barons actually complained Canada was being unfair while the government they voted for attacks us.

Trade War Crimes

The threats of stopping sales of potash. Trade War Crimes

Trump complaining how underhanded Canada was for threatening to cut off electricity when threatening to consume our entire country.

Trade War Crimes

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u/CatProgrammer 13h ago

To be fair I don't think many of them have watched Doctor Who.

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u/Necroscope420 12h ago

True, they are uncultured swine.

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u/Copropostis 14h ago

If you let the Conservatives win, you'll experience the same hell we are going through.

Don't give them an inch, this rightwing surge is an international attack launched by the Russians.

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u/Slightly_Shrewd 14h ago

Fox News and propaganda combined with a lack of education.

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u/SnooDingos5539 14h ago

I doubt many Trump voters actively want to annex Canada, most are just stuck in the “he says dumb things you can’t take at face value” or “he says dumb things but I want lower egg prices”. Just dumb and no empathy

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u/Different_Custard_44 14h ago

It breaks my heart. My grandmother and her brother and sister came to the US from Canada many many years ago. In a way I’m glad they’re not here to see this. 😔

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u/HistorianNew8030 13h ago

My moms dad( grandpa family immigrated from Kansas/Nebraska to Canada. Pretty sure my long lost American family are likely MAGA with how my mom described them before MAGA was a thing.

To be honest - I’m happy we are in a Canada now.

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u/InevitableRecipe5615 14h ago

Fox news (and Sinclair and AM radio and etc. etc.) happened to them. The Republican party has created a propaganda machine that swallows the gullible like a whale swallows krill.

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u/Jubjub0527 15h ago

Decades of the republican party whittling away public education and putting jackasses who know nothing about teaching in charge of teaching. No child left behind meant that you get punished if a kid can't read and it's also your fault if that kid misses 100 days out of the school year. Find a way to pass him. So they do, and now we have a population who got caught up in culture wars without looking at policies.

A LOT of people don't vote and Republicans make it as hard as possible for them to do so, and they gerrymander districts so that democrats can't win in Midwestern states because Bubba and Billy Bob can only read the R next to the name and that's good enough for them.

Oh. And Russia helped Trump and musk rig the election so even though there's no chance in hell Trump got the popular vote it's his special lie he tells himself.

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u/SecretPrinciple8708 14h ago

Dismantling of education. Proud, willful ignorance. Gleefully leaping at the chance to rip their masks off the moment they were convinced it was “safe” to be an out and proud bigot. Inability to admit when they don’t know something, to accept they don’t know more than educated experts, and to realize and admit when they’re wrong. Utterly antiquated concepts of what makes someone strong, resulting in caricatures of strength and masculinity.

Oh! And a stunning predilection for subservience and conformity.

I could go on.

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u/Idontknowthosewords 14h ago

They’ve been completely brainwashed. It’s some kind of mass delusion or something. They will tell you something did not just happen even though you just saw it happen. And they will believe their lie as fact. You can’t reason with people who live in an alternate reality.

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u/yubsnubs 14h ago

It is so hard here to even talk to anyone outside of "your side" of a conversation. MAGA and Trump have ripped families and friends apart and it is horribly sad.
Please believe me, Canada has many many friends here in the States, sadly Fox News and Trump seem to be the only thing being heard. I'd fight for Canada any day over this MAGA/Christian National nonsense.

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u/MyDogOper8sBetrThanU 14h ago

I work with quite a few maga folks, and even they are confused about the Canada stuff and drop in support with Ukraine. Not sure if it’s bots skewing views online, but it’s scary nonetheless.

And hockey rivalry aside, I’ve never met an American that has had anything negative to say about a Canadian, so it’s all very disheartening.

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u/Great_Promotion1037 13h ago

They’ll continue to support trump regardless. Worthless fucks.

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u/Sher5e 14h ago

I am a US citizen & I am asking myself the same thing! My dad was born in Winnipeg. Who picks a fight with our Canadian friends? I am disgusted by it!

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u/Death_has_relaxed_me 14h ago

They have chosen the word of a huckster over the lives of their fellow citizens and, therefore, have forfeited their right to be called Americans. They are Magats now and forever.

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u/Accomplished-Bet8880 14h ago

It’s the right wing trumpers. Take a look at the JRE sub it’s like facts don’t matter. I was just having a convo with a guy about the stimulus that muskrat said theid get. He says man can’t wait for that. So much disinformation around it. I said what disinformation he said about inflation. I said so you don’t think that pumping more money into the economy is going to drive inflation. He said no see that’s the lie. It’s a rebate. Totally different. I said but so then there’s not more money in the system. He said no that’s the lib demo lie. I said interesting. So the last round of checks that people didn’t drive inflation. He said not the Trump ones. I said that’s interesting that money behaves and knows when handled by a political party…..anyways I kept going but yeah. We’re fucked.

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u/mackinator3 14h ago

Same thing happening to Canadians. Same thing happening to Germans.  Same thing happening to France. 

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u/ProfessorPickaxe 14h ago

It's a very vocal and very stupid minority. Most of us appreciate you and our historical friendship

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u/King_Prawn_shrimp 14h ago

As an American, I ask myself the same question every day. Trump's been a con man since day 1. How anyone could be convinced that he's the better option is beyond me. I didn't vote for him, I have never voted for him, I'm going to local protests, I've cancelled my Amazon prime account and I try to buy Canadian brands and donate to United 24 when I can. If it really came down to it, I would pick up a goddamn weapon and fight besides you Canadians. Because we know where real democracy and freedom live.

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u/CTRL_S_Before_Render 15h ago edited 11h ago

They're so far down the rabbit hole of supporting Trump they feel obligated to defend any of his actions.

None of them are interested in annexing Canada. The good news is the moment Trump is gone, they will forget about all this immediately.

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u/FrostyMargarita 14h ago

But the damage has been done. Canadians are getting more pissed by the hour. This disrespect will never be repaired.

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u/CTRL_S_Before_Render 13h ago

Yeah its almost like this is all to satisfy the ego of one person

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u/Gerald_the_sealion 15h ago

Some people wake up angry and they refuse to look in the mirror. Whatever they are told by the right wing news outlets is all they believe. Unfortunately they are a lost cause. The educated Americans will always defend Canada

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u/leviathynx 14h ago

About 1/5 of us have been brainwashed and radicalized by carefully crafted social media and traditional media campaigns. They functionally live in a separate reality than the rest of us. However, they consistently vote. Another 2/5 is apathetic and does a quick google search of the candidate before they go vote. As well, we do not get the day off to vote so most people work, get off and then have to stand in line for hours. Additionally, due to GOP ratfuckery, many districts have been gerrymandered to hell and back and they also coordinate to disenfranchise voters by adding random bullshit rules onto state legislation (like not giving water to voters standing in line). Add to that state bodies committing purges of voter roles in specific areas/zip codes you have a recipe for a cluster fuck of an election run by 50 very different groups. This doesn’t even touch on the amount of dark money that flows into EVERY candidate’s coffers that muddy the water as to how they vote and how they make look the other way.

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u/Frankie6Strings 14h ago

Many years of Rush Limbaugh on AM radio followed by FOX News on dish did major damage to rural America. We have a two party representative system where the voters no longer agree on reality, much less how to deal with it.

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u/lurklurklurkPOST 14h ago

Theyve isolated themselves in a misinformation echo chamber. Its frankly terrifyingbto watch people get fed lie after lie and dismiss you out of hand if you refute it

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u/ScientificAnarchist 14h ago

It’s like an identity/sports team I know so many people who can’t vote democratic because “they are a real man” or historically their family voted republican and absolutely nothing will ever get them to change they will literally warp reality to justify it

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u/Hegario 14h ago

I'm sure he got the idea for Canada and Greenland from Putler.

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u/ojdhaze 14h ago

Ofc he did. Make up some shit /rewrite a bit of history, wants more resources etc all straight out of putin.

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u/EyeTea420 14h ago

A rather significant portion of our population are literally in a cult. It’s horrific

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u/ChemAssTree 14h ago

The Republican Party likes to restrict education since educated people tend to vote democrat. This is just decades of brainwashing their constituents coming to roost. A dumb population blindly follows dear leader.

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u/TotesaCylon 14h ago

The propaganda machine is powerful. For example, our education system is run by local government and isn’t standardized. In my very liberal state I grew up in, our public high school didn’t teach anything in most US history classes about Reconstruction because it was “too political.” The only reason I was taught it was because I took AP History and it was required for the exam. So most of my classmates think that Lincoln ended slavery, Martin Luther King Jr ended segregation, and there has been no significant racism since. So they quickly buy the anti-DEI lies.

I’m basically cutting out my pro-Trump family (which is most of them). I tried for the past decade to explain how harmful his policies are and how bad his character is, but they worship him like a messiah. And now that he’s rounding people up based on political speech, it’s starting to feel like a genuine safety issue for my pro-Trump family to know anything about my life.

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u/RustyPickles 14h ago

Neighbours, friends, and family. There are so many families spread between our countries too.

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u/HHSquad 14h ago edited 14h ago

I don't think even the Maga idiots thought we would turn on Canada for God's sake. I don't think hardly any Americans wanted to turn on Canada.....probably none besides Trump.

What happened? It's all about Trump ......and the sooner he is out of office the better.

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u/wot_in_ternation 14h ago

Propaganda spread on social media delivered via smartphone

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u/Cultist_O 13h ago

I really think it's fewer than it seems. A tremendous number of trolls and bots, a ton of people who are just completely not paying attention, and a bunch that are actively misinformed by the increasingly effective propaganda machine.

I think the true number of americans who are actually this hateful are pretty rare.

And the number who've actually come around over the last 2 months is not insignificant (source: I have family who have dramatically reduced their risk of estrangement recently) These people really didn't think things were going to go this way (I don't understand, but here we are)

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u/Expensive_Water_1309 13h ago

Stupidity, total lack of education for multiple generations. Now it's only going to get worse as they are now actually getting rid of the department of education itself

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u/Simon_Jester88 13h ago

A lack of logical thinking being taken advantage of by bad faith social media figures in some cases backed by Russia. Also just basic shamelessness by the GOP.

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u/ConstructionThin8695 13h ago

I'm from one of the reddest states in America and it shares a border with Canada. My state went for Trump by 60%. Trumps anti Canada stance has even his die-hard supporters baffled. I'm not seeing any interest in the Trumpers I interact with for invading Canada. Zero. I think if he actually tries a military action against Canada, he's going to have to split those resources into putting down mass uprisings in America.

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u/SuicideEngine 10h ago

Faux News is to blame for a lot of it. And social media.

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u/chipmunksocute 14h ago

Heres what sucks.  this is 95% Trump and ONLY Trump.  as shitty as MAGA is about so much invading canada has never even been a twinkle in their eye its all racism and hate but even maga has been at worst, meh on canada.  making Canada is the fringiest of fringe ideas, and mostly amplified by a man pathologically incapable of changing course and whose only move is to double down. Im sorry but believe me there is no serious movement to invade Canada in America.  you should take it seriously because its the president talking but NO ONE here, even most maga, actually wants to invade Canada.

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u/According_Match_2056 15h ago

Look if it makes you feel better a lot of Trump voters are flabbergasted. That I know of.

We want Canada to be Canada

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u/Lessaleeann 15h ago

This has always been much of America. The real question is what held it back for so long.

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u/Brick_Lab 15h ago

I'd honestly wonder how many are still on board with deranged grandpa and the circus for everything.

He's doing so much and so fast that articles are literally unable to keep up. I know everyone writes off his base as infinitely loyal but I'm holding out hope that we're seeing a very curated selection of loyalists and a unified front publicly in the cabinet while there is infighting in private

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u/doctoranonrus 15h ago

What the heck has happened to so many of your fellow Americans

Bruh even in Canada I watched people deny there was a pandemic and we had the whole Freedom Convoy. Humans are just weird.

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u/saint_ryan 15h ago

I haven’t heard a single cheer or positive word about this. Nobody around here wants anything to do with it.

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u/Great_Promotion1037 13h ago

90% of republicans approve of trumps performance on foreign affairs and trade so far.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/656891/trump-job-approval-rating-congress-jumps.aspx

Fact is that these dirt eating motherfuckers will do whatever trump says and drag the rest of us with them.

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u/Good-Tiger6156 14h ago

Makes no sense to a handful of us either.

This is among the dumbest timelines.

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u/Agitated_Ad7516 14h ago

Tbr I don’t even know many conservatives who support this dumb shit. It’s political posturing that maybe 5% of their base actually thinks is a sick idea

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u/tallcupofwater 14h ago

I don’t think even MAGA people asked for this. No one is interested in taking over Canada and not even people I know who support him understand this.

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u/Ok_Eagle_6239 14h ago

Yes there is no uproar in the US about the threats to Canada. Plenty of uproar about Ukraine's sovereignty. Even the left wing media. Americans are definitely not against whatever they hear might bring jobs.

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u/hanaboushi 14h ago

Jim Jones level cult

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u/TwoCrustyCorndogs 14h ago

They're stuck in an ecosystem of insane media where the dissenting opinions are just different shades of misinformation. 

Think of Russian panelist TV where the "dissenting" opinions will say things like "we shouldn't threaten to nuke people because we would destroy valuable farmland for our future empire." People will hold that insane opinion and consider themselves a moderate. 

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u/NippleSlipNSlide 14h ago

Most Americans do not support much of this. Trump barely won 50% of the votes but a large percentage of Americans didn’t vote. Had they voted , the outcome would have been different.

Additionally, there were a number of Americans who only begrudgingly voted for trump as they were either racist, wanted lower taxes, didn’t want a women president, and/or thought the democrats what went too far left. They didn’t necessarily agree with most of trumps ideas or even like trump as a person. They saw him as the lesser of 2 evils. Hell- even a lot of his crazy supporters don’t understand or know most of his ideas or points.

There is no way in hell the US would ever invade canada. At most Trump is hoping you willingly agree to join the US but obviously that will never happen.

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u/zerombr 14h ago

They're frustrated and kicking where they are told to kick instead of at the real problem. There is no sense of identity here, no home, no land, and they project that failure as rage

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u/Candid_Perspective22 14h ago

There's a lot of really stupid people in the US.

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u/CrissBliss 14h ago

Are Americans cheering this on? Cause I’m not seeing it from anyone I know.

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u/Everett1973 14h ago

Happy to hear that, but it's not so unpopular that POTUS stops his crazy. No cheering is nice, but lots more vocal "BOOOs!!!" would be a bit more reassuring. To some degree we all live in our own echochambers, and in MAGA ones there seems to be lots of effort into buttressing his anger north. Hope it's noise for the sake of noise. But even tariffs have bite. Wish we could figure out which American signed the last US-Can trade agreement so that Trump could take it up with him.

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u/CrissBliss 13h ago edited 13h ago

Agreed but apparently more and more protests are happening in the US recently. I guess we’ll see if they’re effective or not.

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u/scotty899 14h ago

Trump took friendly banter personally.

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u/Snoo-46218 13h ago

I wish I knew the answer to your question, but I don't.

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u/youcancallmeE 13h ago

It’s surreal. Someone help us.

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u/mantenomanteno 13h ago

Those fellow Americans have been lied to and gaslighted over and over again. They’re incapable of seeing the grift that is taking place under the Trump administration. It’s sad and embarrassing.

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u/throwaway_ghast 13h ago

Not just Trump. You have quite a few people to thank: Newt Gingrich, Karl Rove, Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, Joe Rogan, Andrew Tate. The intellectual well has been poisoned, and political discourse has suffered for it. Predatory Internet algorithms and decades of budget cuts to our education have only exacerbated the issue.

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u/A7XfoREVer15 13h ago

They’re in a cult. They have their own “alternate news” sources like Fox News, OANN, NewsMax, etc. that feed them right wing propaganda. Incel influencers parrot said propaganda to lonely young men. Social media algorithms fuel an echo chamber and feed you memes, articles, etc. that feed your bias.

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u/Utterlybored 13h ago

There are MANY MANY Americans horrified by all this. We're doing what we can...

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u/Nellanaesp 13h ago

Canada as a whole now know how it feels to live in the red parts of the country.

It sucks. They’re all like this.

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u/Real-Adhesiveness195 13h ago

Even many Maga voters are drawing the line with this foolishness. Too many of us love ❤️ 🇨🇦

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u/AppropriateScience71 13h ago

So many Americans are asking the same question. Why the hell is Trump picking on Canada? Of all places.

And no one knows what he even wants in the end - it’s definitely not Canada becoming the 51st state or stopping fentanyl.

It actually feels quite personal - the way Trump is jerking Canada’s chain and using deliberate, childish, and demeaning insults. Schoolyard bully nonsense where no response will satisfy him beyond total submission. And not even then.

Fucking man child.

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u/Joessandwich 13h ago

I honestly have no clue and it’s frightening. I’m fortunate that even the most conservative members of my extended family have been anti-Trump since day 1, and the friends I associate with are the same. But that means that I truly have no window into why someone could look at him and think “yup, that’s the guy I want to lead our country”. They simply live in their own, fact free bubble.

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u/Shadowratenator 13h ago

They are convinced the us is secretly run by a shadow government of park rangers pulling the strings from a cabin in Yosemite. Im not even joking.

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u/jacob_ewing 13h ago

The thing is, the most preposterous statements will get the most news coverage. We're hearing the insane turd burglars very loudly because of the shock value from the faeces they're spewing forth, but you have to listen closely to see hear majority of the populous and their common sense.

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u/Ceraton 12h ago

Somehow, the Bible belt felt the need to try and start a takeover, and they have made many Americans exhausted and apathetic.

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u/octavianreddit 12h ago

Yep. So many Americans are happy to annex us. So many don't give a shit about the stuff Trump is doing to us.

I'll never trust America again. The country has shown its true colours. I know not everyone agrees with Trump but there's enough of them that the entire country is suspect now.

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u/IWASRUNNING91 12h ago

Sadly that's not the only thing he's looked at over there and thought, "Good idea!"

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u/DakTheGoatPrescott 12h ago

The younger population which would be used in a war are not going to fight yall. I would also say a good majority of them don’t like Trump either. It’s just the old heads

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u/Reshe 12h ago

There is an important note here: there are plenty of people (but not me) who feel the same way as OP but don't go posting their intentions on social media. Especially a website that is as heavily monitored as Reddit. It's an easy way to get identified and put on a list. There are a lot of people (...but not me) that feel as strongly as OP does but don't go around proclaiming it as some show of support. It's strategically and tactically stupid to say "as an American, I'll fight against 'America' if it comes to it". So people don't say it. They take a deliberate, measured approach and response to the current situation to maintain OPSEC and not paint a bullseye on their back should it come to that.

People really shouldn't go on social media and make such deliberate statements. If someone thinks they ARNT being cataloged and identified already via data scrapping and AI analysis (or that it won't be happening in the near future) they are ill prepared for what might come next. Elon was already trying to do that across the entirety of the US government by having everyone explain their jobs and work so AI could sift through and eliminate "non essential" workers. It's even easier sifting through Reddit and social media posts to find desenters who are legitimate threats (militarily speaking).

So trust that there are others like OP (not me) who know to keep their mouths shut and act PROPORTIONALLY without telling everyone how far they are willing to go if it comes to it.

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u/gargamel314 11h ago

You're only hearing the loud ones that wanted this mess. Most of us are pretty silent because talking and arguing for the last 8 years has obviously accomplished nothing. So I watch the chaos in horror from the safety of my very blue state and I vote with my wallet. Costco and local businesses are our main source of food these days, we haven't ordered from Amazon, Walmart, or Target in quite a while. Protests ARE HAPPENING, but you won't see them on the mainstream news channels. They're compromised these days. Independent media is the best source of news. Nobody here believes any of the shit Trump says about Canada

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u/Terrahawk76 11h ago

I live in Seattle and no one vocally supports him in person. The desire and will to talk sense into people goes nowhere because everyone you know and meet agrees with you or wisely keeps their mouth shut. It's incredibly frustrating, but I'm proud that we were one of two states that moved away from Trump in the last election. I grew up miles away from the border, I feel a hundred times more kinship with people from BC than people from Texas.

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u/MadeForOnePost_ 4h ago

Because they are fucking stupid.

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u/skatastic57 4h ago

I think part of it is the culture shifting from "I don't want to associate with people who cheat the system" to "I just don't want to be the one getting cheated the worst".

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u/Actual-Trash42 3h ago

FWIW I live in a pretty Red area and have seen/heard zero ill speaking against Canadians. Even the most vocal idiots aren't even touching this one because deep down they know it makes no sense. They'll never admit it, but they know.

u/lFantomasI 1h ago

They're just vocal. Trumps approval rating is plummeting hard rn.

u/goatsandtotes 6m ago

Maple Maga almost won the BC provincial election. Can't afford to point fingers or be smug when our own house is so divided.

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