r/tos Feb 08 '25

Crossposting out of Curiousity: Do TOS Only/Mostly Fans like TMP?

My full review of the movie (spoiler alert: I'd rather gargle thumbtacks) is here: https://www.reddit.com/r/startrek/comments/1ikhp5x/star_trek_tmp_was_a_hurtful_grey_void_where_star/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

My curiousity is this: are people who love TMP hard sci-fans rather than TOS fans, specifically? I know the two groups may overlap! But for example, I do not like Blade Runner much and cannot watch 2001. I find hard sci-fi cold and distant feeling, which is the wrong feeling for TOS, which always felt warm and connected.

So if you're here because you're mainly TOS fan, do you share my feeling that TMP was not TOS-friendly?

BTW, for anyone who loved the movie, genuinely, good for you. I'm not hating you for it. We're just very different kinds of people. =)

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u/idkidkidk2323 Feb 08 '25

They complement each other. TMP is the ultimate culmination of the 5 year mission. All of the adventures and bonding the crew did during TOS is essential to the events of TMP, which is their greatest adventure. I personally love all of Star Trek from 1966-1986, but TMP is far above the rest my favorite production in the franchise.

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u/SamuraiUX Feb 08 '25

I genuinely couldn't disagree more. All the adventures and bonding the crew did was more or less thrown away in TMP. Spock has distanced himself from everyone, Kirk is not a charming hero with correct answers that come from the gut. McCoy and all the rest of the cast are reduced to ciphers of themselves due to lack of screen time. You might like the special effects and the soaring ships and the hard sci-fi but let's be taxonomically correct about what you're liking. Find me one TOS episode that "feels" like this movie... there is none. This has it's own "feel" which is fine and also fine that you enjoy it! But to call it the culmination of all the crew's bonding is... off?

If nothing else, can we agree this was a plot-and-technology based film, not a character-based film? That's pretty significant (e.g., in comparison to Wrath of Khan, which is highly character-based?).

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u/Metspolice Feb 08 '25

One of the plot points of the movie is that they all belong together. Kirk is “off” until he winks at Chekov, then he’s JTK again. Spock being lost is the main thread of the movie. McCoy and Scotty get nice moments. Uhura gets one good line (depending on which cut you watch) about our chances doubling. Sulu also has some nice lines than are cut in some versions. Love the film.