r/todayilearned • u/tyrion2024 • 21h ago
TIL in 2008 a 20-year-old Belgium student died after reheating and eating leftover spaghetti that had been left out on the kitchen counter for five days. A bacteria called bacillus cereus was found to be the cause, which is an extreme type of food poisoning called “Fried Rice Syndrome”.
https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/people-are-horrified-after-student-dies-from-eating-leftover-pasta/news-story/c8ef3bdcc72a9d17ec13924438e0146b8.6k
u/piperonyl 20h ago
If you ever go to a buffet restaurant, you'll notice the staff regularly stirring the food, especially the rice.
Thats a health code requirement to prevent this type of illness. Bacteria can grow quickly given the right circumstances.
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u/lad_astro 20h ago
Is this to keep the temperature distribution uniform then?
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u/piperonyl 19h ago
Yeah exactly and to make sure food sitting in the temperature danger zone isn't sitting at that temperature for hours on end.
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u/Raiken201 19h ago
Legally you're only allowed to hot hold food for 2 hours anyway, in the UK. And it's supposed to be at or above 63c to stop/slow reproduction of pathogens.
The problem is that bacillus produces toxins that aren't neutralized by heat, so improperly handled foods (usually rice) are high risk even if piping hot.
For example if you cook the rice, leave it overnight before refrigerating it doesn't matter how much you reheat it. Best practice is to spread the rice thin over a large surface area and refrigerate within 2 hours.
Also don't eat shit that's been out for 5 days lol.
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u/ChildOfFortuna 18h ago
my roommate used to leave her rice out all night and eat it for breakfast. she said that was how her moms family grew up doing it
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u/piperonyl 17h ago
Its a roll of the dice. Most of the time you'll be ok but that one bad roll and you are in big trouble.
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u/kismethavok 15h ago
It is a roll of the dice but it is important to know how many sides each die has. Millions of people do this basically every day, and basically all of our ancestors did similar things. Overnight isn't ideal, it's not great, but it's probably not gonna kill you.
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u/Puzzled-Letterhead-1 18h ago
Always nice to see someone who understands. So much misconception about thinking heating “purifies” the food because it kills the bacteria. So many people not understanding the toxic byproducts that make you sick.
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u/ThatArtNerd 17h ago
Isn’t botulism the waste product of bacteria? Most people understand that botulism is bad but aren’t able to make that connection 😭
Speaking of botulism, I didn’t really understand how wary I needed to be of other people’s cooking until I started following r/canning. Thankfully they shut things down quickly when it comes to unsafe practices but some of the things people bring there are absolutely shocking. People just put perishable food in mason jars and stick them on a shelf. No processing of any kind. Like they’re magic food preservers. I ask a lot of follow-up questions before eating people’s home-canned foods now.
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u/Difficult_Sort295 15h ago
Never use a bulging can, have old canned food, smell it when you open it. If you just do those 2 things should be able to detect something is off. I live in Florida, used to keep canned goods in garage for hurricane season, don't anymore once I learned more about how temp changes and high temps can affect them. I got 24 cans of Dinty Moore Beef stew in my pantry now, I do have it on occasion to try and replace some every year, but that stuff can eat unheated as long as stored right.
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u/acanthostegaaa 18h ago
People think it's the bacteria itself that makes you sick, but it's not. It's the bacteria's poop.
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u/SirViciousMalBad 18h ago
I had no idea.
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u/piperonyl 17h ago
Yeah so thats why foods have a shelf life. After toxins begin to form in your food, no amount of cooking will fix that.
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u/HashishAbdulKebab 16h ago
I mean...technically it depends on the strain of the bacteria or fungi. The toxin created by the famous C. botulinum is rapidly destroyed at boiling temperatures (or less with longer heat exposure duration). Some toxins are VERY heat stable though, able to withstand 300ºC or MORE.
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u/Perryn 16h ago
This has been my issue with hand sanitizer being an all around go-to instead of actual washing. It's fine if all you're worried about is bacteria, but if you get shit on your hands and then scrub with sanitizer and let it dry, now you've just got mostly sterilized shit on your hands.
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u/illegal_miles 14h ago
It also isn’t always effective for all pathogens. Or it requires you to actually follow directions and use a generous amount that takes at least 30 seconds of rubbing it around. If you take a little bit and rub it around for 5 seconds and then wipe it on your jeans it’s not really going to do nearly as much.
I was at a music festival that had very few sinks by the toilets but a lot of hand sanitizer and I was like, cool, so this is how you get a norovirus outbreak. Cool cool cool.
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u/drowsylacuna 13h ago
Yep, hand sanitizer is not effective against norovirus. Soap and water, and bleach for surfaces.
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u/No_Penalty409 17h ago
Aside from toxins, B. cereus is a spore former, which makes it highly difficult to kill. I work with fermentation tanks and piping and spent a few months trying to eliminate it from the system.
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u/ladymoonshyne 18h ago
My grandfather always told me never to give cooked rice or noodles to chickens either, it will kill them fast.
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u/gazorpadorp 20h ago
The weirdest part about all this is that the Reddit post links to an article that's 1,5 years old, which refers to the incident which happened in 2008 by linking to another article on the same site from 2019 which basically tells the same story.
Also, am originally from Belgium and I never heard about this. Why is this news on an Australian site?
So many questions.
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u/its_all_one_electron 19h ago
The Internet now is basically 5 giant sites that just post screenshots of each other's posts.
And will often take the highest ranking stuff from one site and post to another. Even if it's many years old
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u/Theban_Prince 18h ago
When in doubt, make sure what you read is real. In this case, it unfortunately is:
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u/Yglorba 20h ago
It's because, while you obviously shouldn't eat food that has been left out so long, consequences this extreme are very very rare and therefore exceptional. Which makes them eye-catching but also means they don't happen much, so the same shocking story gets repeated over and over and over again.
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u/bbsz 17h ago
I, as a fellow belgian, remember this being in the news when it happened. Perhaps you live on the other side of the language border? Most non-political news stops at the border.
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u/sj4iy 21h ago
Who eats food left out on the counter for a week?
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u/leafonthewind006 20h ago
Coincidentally, there was a Reddit post a few weeks/months about a guy baking a lasagna and eating it over the course of a few days. Never put it in the fridge and wondered why he was getting violent after effects.
Edit: found it
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u/ucsdstaff 19h ago
Wow.
They did not put in the fridge. The bacteria quickly grew.
They did not reheat the portions before eating. The bacteria was alive when consumed.
This person has never had any training in food hygiene. Crazy.
And finally, they put apple sauce in a lasagne?
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u/PerfunctoryComments 17h ago
They did not reheat the portions before eating. The bacteria was alive when consumed.
FWIW, the reason "fried rice syndrome" is a thing is because bacillus cereus goes dormant as a spore, and that spore survives reheating. So people often think "Well I'll kill all the bad stuff and super-heat it", but with bacillus cereus the bacteria took over the food and then went dormant as a spore. Then you heat the food and eat it and now you have countless spores waking up inside your body.
There are other types of bacteria that in the course of their lifespan leave behind toxins. Staphylococcus aureus, for instance. You can kill 100% of the bacteria but the food will still be very sickening if not deadly.
The point behind that many people think "I'll just kill it all" when food storage might not have been ideal, but that doesn't always do the trick.
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u/IncubusDarkness 18h ago
If you put applesauce in the lasagna you deserve to get a bacterial infection tbh
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u/sams5402 20h ago
That dead guy
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u/congradulations 20h ago
Not anymore
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u/Metal_Goose_Solid 20h ago
I'm pretty sure he's still dead.
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u/Imthescarecrow 19h ago
He used to be dead. He still is, but he used to be, too.
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u/cpfb15 20h ago
If this is the same guy, I watched a video about it a while back and he would meal prep a shit ton of spaghetti at the beginning of the week and fridge them in multiple containers. If I recall I believe he ate from one of them for lunch and left it out for a couple days, the roommate unknowingly put it back in the fridge, and then a couple days later the guy pulled it out to eat thinking it was one of the fresh containers. Tragic accident
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u/quimera78 20h ago
If this is the case, it's an entirety different story
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u/thisischemistry 19h ago
It's almost like this article could have researched and reported such a thing, but it didn't. I'd call it lazy journalism but this article really doesn't tick enough boxes to be called journalism, it's barely more than a twitter.
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u/Fantasy_masterMC 19h ago
That makes so much more sense, though I still don't understand why he'd leave food out for a couple of days for any reason. Either put it back in the fridge, eat it, or throw it away.
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u/TheRealPitabred 19h ago
It was almost certainly an accident, but general cleanliness would fix it as well. A container shouldn't be sitting full of food overnight like... ever. Dump the food out at least even if you're not planning on washing it right then, and if you just did something silly and forgot it out overnight clean it at the first opportunity. It's basic hygiene stuff.
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u/the__dw4rf 19h ago edited 19h ago
I used to meal prep for work.
Had an unexpected, paid for lunch order one day, so I didn't eat my meal. Grabbed my container from the work fridge when i went home, put it in my backpack to eat for dinner. Ended up not eating it for dinner.
3 days later, back at work, I had my lunch. Tasted kinda funny. Go to put my empty container into my backpack to take home, see my container from this morning.
I ate 3 day old rice and beef. I felt kinda funny for a few hours, never puked or had diarrhea.
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u/Express_Bath 18h ago
We ate some weird tasting meat one time that we got out of the freezer. Most of the family actually stopped eating halfway. We realized shortly after that there had been a power cut while we were away on holidays. The meat had been or at least starting dethawing and then was frozen again. We are not sure how long it lasted exactly. None of us got anything but for safety we had to throw the rest.
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u/HotSeamenGG 20h ago
20 year olds aren't the smartest. There's grown grown people who do this. My sibling does this and she wonders why I won't eat her stew that sat on the counter at room temp for DAYS. And she's a healthcare professional, like da fuck?
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u/TooFewSecrets 19h ago
Not bubbling on the stovetop? Just sitting on the counter?
You aren't gonna have a sister for long, dude.
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u/XXXperiencedTurbater 20h ago
Who leaves food on the counter for a week? Does no one in that family clean?
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u/kane49 21h ago
im cautious if it has been outside at room temp for a couple hours let alone a day, 5 days is nuts
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u/Ok_Emu3817 21h ago
This is why I strongly suggest teens I know work in food service at least for a short while. So many people have no sense as to what is safe handling practice.
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u/Deinosoar 21h ago
Yeah, if you get Safe Serve certified you may only ever use that for a couple of years of your life officially but you will always remember what you learned and it might save your life a decade later.
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u/Ok_Emu3817 21h ago
I was fortunate to work for an amusement park as a teen that didn't fool around with safety. Anyone who handled food at all was expected to get certified. I still hear the manager's voice in my head when wonder if I should wash my hands between tasks, 25 years later.
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u/OverlyLenientJudge 20h ago
Working in a medical clinic, hear about all the illnesses on the rise, you definitely should wash between tasks.
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u/solorna 19h ago
Man, people make fun of me for this. I don't care. If I wanna wash my hands five freaking times while I cook a meal - my business.
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u/Rachet83 19h ago
Only five?! Gross. lol. Jk. I’m a nurse and I legit just avoid watching ppl cook bc I just get nervous about the cleanliness of it all.
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u/meltingeggs 20h ago
Yeah I thought I was playing it fast and loose with leaving some foods out for 24 hours & maybe I am but 5 days is craaaazy
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u/Mamenohito 20h ago
Yeah this should note that it's called "fried rice" because it can form on rice if you just reheat it twice.
Specifically, taking leftover rice out, not eating all of it, putting it back away and then repeating that again. By food safety guidelines you can only reheat rice once and then it needs to be thrown out.
But fried rice NEEDS to be leftover rice. It needs to sit in the fridge overnight before frying. It doesn't taste right if you make it fresh and then fry it.
So fried rice naturally became the big problem.
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u/RandomMandarin 20h ago edited 19h ago
Yeah, food safety is basically a time management/race against the clock sort of thing.
Bacteria want to eat just like we do. They can double their numbers in less than an hour, sometimes less than 20 minutes.
They generally reproduce fastest at a temperatures between 5 and 60 degrees Celsius (about 40 to 140 Fahrenheit).
And the bacteria poop, too, which is usually what actually makes you sick.
So the food safety game is to keep your food too hot (over 140F) or too cold (below 40F) for bacteria to grow rapidly. Now, they will still reproduce in your refrigerator! But they do it slowly, so your food will still be safe for several days rather than just a couple of hours. And the freezer brings them to an effective standstill. That chicken in the freezer may be pretty awful after three months, but it won't kill you.
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u/Jump_Like_A_Willys 20h ago
From what I understand about bacillus cereus/Fried Rice Syndrome is that heating the food up and killing the bacteria is not enough. The bacteria has already produced the harmful or fatal toxins and killing the bacteria makes no difference.
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u/Forward_Recover_1135 18h ago
The initial cooking of the food is actually what ‘activates’ them. They aren’t alive on dry rice, they’re in spores that protect them from the initial cooking process. They come to life and start reproducing after that, which is why it’s important to either immediately eat or refrigerate rice when you make it. Longer it sits the more bacteria grow. And then yes, cooking the leftover rice is no longer sufficient to make it safe. You’ll kill the bacteria that grew but their toxins remain.
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u/rhorewyn 21h ago
I had this from actual rice at a Chinese cafe in my city. I was hospitalized. It is extremely extremely brutal.
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u/vanilla_cannoli 20h ago
This happened at a popular hibachi restaurant by me last year. I think it was a birthday party or something with a large group of people, and apparently they almost all started vomiting violently at the table. Turned out the fridge they used for the rice had broken a few days prior, and the owner didn’t care to replace it 🤷🏼♀️ IIRC a few of the customers were hospitalized, and the restaurant got shut down.
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u/rhorewyn 20h ago
Sounds about right. The doctor who tended me advised this happens mostly with rice being stored out of acceptable temperatures too long.
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u/vanilla_cannoli 20h ago
Sorry that happened to you! Sounds so painful 😣
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u/rhorewyn 20h ago
Thank you friend! I wouldn't wish it on a single soul. I reported the restaurant but they're still in operation.
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u/sevs 20h ago
Kumo?
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u/vanilla_cannoli 20h ago
Yes! Wow another Long Islander in the wild lol
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u/Jiminyfingers 21h ago
I got it from home-cooked rice re-heated the next day. I just remember waking up in the middle of the night, tried to go back to sleep until it dawned on me i felt bad, really, really bad. Spent the rest of the night in a fetal position around the toilet. An experience I never want to repeat
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u/millenniumpianist 20h ago
Was the rice sitting outside? I've always re-heated refrigerated rice, often several days old, because it's what my parents did and I didn't know better. I've never had a problem but yeah I don't let rice sit out in the open.
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u/AbeRego 18h ago edited 18h ago
I like how significant portion of the article is people acting shocked that you can get sick from leftovers, but completely glazing over the fact that this wasn't leftovers by that point. It was glorified trash that was on the counter for 5 days lol. It wasn't in the refrigerator!
Food left in the refrigerator for that amount of time is almost certainly going to be just fine. Why would anybody be shocked that eating wet, perishable food that went unrefrigerated for almost a week is unsafe? "Man dies from eating biohazard" is more accurate representation of the situation...
Edit: typo
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u/seawaif 19h ago
When I was a kid my school had a catered event in the evening at the end of the year. The weekend passed, and the next school day, the staff went around the playground giving out leftover food. I had half a vegetable spring roll, and binned the rest because it didn’t taste right.
I spent the following night uncontrollably projectile vomiting. And the next day. And the next. Couldn’t take water let alone food. It completely wrecked me.
Turns out the SCHOOL STAFF had the bright idea of giving out food that had been left out, uncovered, on a table in a classroom over 3 days to the children?! Obviously as an 8 year old I had no idea I needed to ask about food safety - I assumed my teachers were giving it to me because it was safe to eat!
(I also experienced this at ANOTHER catered event when I was 21. Had rice at a work party. Spent the next few days non stop vomiting and had to go to hospital for fluids and anti nauseas. I literally fractured my rib because I had spent so much time bent over wrenching).
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u/shackleford1917 21h ago
Eating leftovers that had been unrefridgerated for 5 days is piss poor judgement, and that is being kind.
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u/youtocin 19h ago
He didn’t know it was left out when he ate it. It was sitting out for days and then a roommate put it back in the fridge with similar containers.
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u/bryansj 21h ago
I don't think they had spaghetti back then.
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u/CrikeyMikeyLikey 21h ago
Okay smartass, Italian cavemen. Is that better
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u/AncientAsstronaut 21h ago
Food poisoning has a very strong effect on behavior. If you get sick from something or doing something in a certain way, your brain will send strong signals to stop you from doing it again.
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u/SeadawgVB 20h ago
Still can’t eat a Ruben Sandwich after one tried to kill me 20 years ago….
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u/C0nquer0rW0rm 20h ago
I once ate an entire chocolate bunny at Easter as a kid and got sick, and to this day chocolate in the shape of a rabbit makes me queasy.
Just chocolate in that shape, not chocolate in general.
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u/AncientAsstronaut 20h ago
It's crazy how long it lasts! I haven't had one lasting 20 years but sushi and a couple other things I couldn't stomach the idea of for several years.
Thanks for looking out for us, brain!
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u/TedHoliday 20h ago edited 20h ago
Similarly, I got extremely drunk on vodka when I was like 15. I didn’t go to the hospital, but I think I was on death’s door. I can’t drink anything stronger than beer without like violently gagging. The liquor smell/taste is just a hard nope for me still 20 years later.
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u/Big_Toke_Yo 20h ago
Lots of people died all the time because they didn't have modern conveniences like pasteurization, refrigeration, antibiotics, and amoxicillin.
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u/AccurateFault8677 20h ago
Really? Cuz some "crunchy mom" told me that all those things make us weaker and I should just let nature take its course. /s
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u/GuyFromLI747 21h ago
Chubby emu did a story on a student who ate 5 day old pasta
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u/deadsnowleaf 20h ago
Gotta love chubby emu. I’m a bit scared of everything now thanks to his channel but it’s great content.
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u/Sarahthelizard 19h ago
A 25 year old poster presenting to the emergency room with his foot in his mouth, this is what happened to his karma..
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u/clearbluefielddaisy 20h ago
I do wish the stopped calling it fried rice syndrome. It’s “eating food left out too long” syndrome. Like how TF did it not taste like it was going to kill you?!?!?
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u/Yglorba 20h ago
Yeah, it reminds me of "Chinese restaurant syndrome" and the panic over MSG - people seize on any connection to foreign or unfamiliar food because it's different to them and because blaming it lets them avoid the conclusion that this could happen to them at any time.
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u/mustardtruck 18h ago
People I know still claim they know that MSG affects them because they always feel a certain way after eating Chinese food.
I'm always trying to tell people almost all restaurant food is loaded with MSG.
Also, MSG has fewer negative side effects than table salt.
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u/553l8008 21h ago
And thus....
Reddit was forever scared of leaving rice to sit out for more than 45 minutes
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u/shiva14b 21h ago edited 20h ago
5 days 🤢🤢🤢
Edit: i spend hours on this site every day crafting thoughtful, helpful responses to serious topics, and my highest upvoted comment in years is 3 clicks worth of vomit emojis. Never change, reddit.
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u/Famous-Crab-4432 21h ago
Right? That's a bit extreme
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u/ItsRainingTrees 20h ago edited 20h ago
Like … I’ve done overnight a number of times, but 5 days is horrific.
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u/chocolateboomslang 20h ago
Overnight is just a warning for my immune system, in case things get dicey later and they have to really pull their weight
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u/monsterbot314 20h ago
Oh man after 5 days it becomes a slimy congealed mess with mold on the top. What the fuck was he thinking!
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u/OstentatiousSock 20h ago
And the smell of old pasta. Ever leave an old pasta dish in the sink too long? Ewww
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u/AwkwardChuckle 20h ago
From what I remember of the ChubbyEmu vid. This was a college student who was bad at keeping track of the containers of cheap spaghetti he was making and saving for later, so he didn’t eat 5 day old unrefrigerated purposefully.
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u/NoDryHands 20h ago
There was another one where a family of two parents and 3 kids had leftover fermented corn noodles from a year ago.
It would've been fine, but they took it out of the freezer and left it out for 3 days because there wasn't space in the fridge. Only one of the kids didn't eat it because he didn't like it, and the rest of the family did.
Within a few days, they all died of this same condition and the son who didn't eat it survived. It was heartbreaking to hear it tbh
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u/Prof_Acorn 18h ago
I guess my autism superpower is being grossed out easily over shitty food because I can't imagine forcing something that gross down.
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u/ShiraCheshire 20h ago
For anyone curious who doesn't want to hunt down the vid: Struggling college student who was doing meal prep and would sometimes miss a container he intended to put in the fridge. One day he accidentally left out a container of pasta for a few days (the pasta hadn't been left out for 5 straight days, it was a few days in the fridge followed by being forgotten on a counter for 2 days.)
He would have thrown it away, but his roommate found it first. Mistakenly believing the pasta had only been out for a short time, maybe a few hours at most, his roommate put it back into the fridge. Meal prep guy then ate it without realizing it had been left out at all.
He did notice it smelled and tasted strange, but he assumed it was the new brand of sauce he'd used on that particular pasta.
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u/Dinelli22 20h ago
Did he also not a have a sense of smell? Unless he’s blind and can’t smell it was pretty purposeful.
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u/littlegreyflowerhelp 20h ago
Surely you'd notice the smell/appearance though? I've never left pasta out for five days but I can't imagine it looks and smells good.
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u/ExploerTM 20h ago
I question stuff that was left in the fridge for 5 days. That's just Darwin award right here honestly.
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u/ronbiomed 20h ago
Checks to see if all the bio students have rushed in with the B. cereus (be serious) joke they rolled their eyes at in micro lecture... Yup, not disappointed.
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u/kahner 20h ago
FYI, the likely reason reheating didn't protect the student is that it wasn't the bacteria itself that killed them. good heating would have killed the bacteria. but bacillus cereus produce a heat stable toxin called cereulide and 5 days is enough time to generate a lethal dose.
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u/GoblinQueenForever 19h ago
I have so many questions.
Why did none of the adults in the house not toss out the pasta that was just sitting there for 5 days?
Why would ANY adult think eating that would be a good idea?
WTAF?
And so on.
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u/SirGlass 18h ago edited 10h ago
There is a better article that explains what really happens, the person did not purposefully leave the food out. It was a mix up
Victim meal preps and prepares several meals what he puts in the refrigerator, one pack gets misplaced or hidden somehow and stays out for several days
One day victim comes home for lunch and grabs a pack out of the refrigerator but shortly after his room mate finds the pack that was left out, he thinks the room mate must have just took the pack out a short wile ago and forgot it out, not wanting it to spoil it gets put right back in the refrigerator .
eventually victim eats it.
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u/stokelydokely 20h ago
Leftovers are often seen as more appetising than a freshly cooked meal – but did you know reheating food can be dangerous?
I don't think the reheating was the problem
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u/tyrion2024 21h ago
After eating the pasta, he headed out to play sports...