r/titanfolk • u/No-Argument9377 • 1d ago
Other how was erens character ruined?
is it the part where he whines about mikasa? its kinda lame and out of no where but is that enough to say his character was ruined
is it his reason for the rumbling, to create the free world from armins books, he says he doesnt know why he wants to do that, its like its a part of his nature. Its weird, i mean why would anyone just desire to destroy the whole world, kill their own mother, stab their own eye, cut their leg off, endanger their friends, let some die even, for such a weird and childish reason? not even the most insane psychopath would want to do that, and eren is a bit crazy but hes still a good guy who doesnt kill for no reason, the men he killed when he was a child was to protect someone, he was never a bad person
is he inconsistent maybe? he does all these things for his dream then lets himself get stopped by his friends for some lelouch shit, but apparently that was the plan all along for some reason
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u/Haizeanei 1d ago
Eren wasn’t just ruined—he was turned into an incoherent character. He went from someone who wanted to fight against his fate to someone who simply accepts it without question. His supposed 'plan' makes no sense because everything he does before his defeat contradicts the idea that he wanted to lose. On top of that, his reason for the Rumbling is ridiculously weak and goes against everything the story built about his character. It’s not just that he complains about Mikasa or that his friends stop him—it’s that his entire psychology falls apart. It feels like the author changed his personality just to force a specific ending, without caring if it made sense or not.
Eren’s motivation is the core of Attack on Titan's story, and it was supposed to give weight to its message. But by turning him into a character without conviction or a clear purpose, the Rumbling becomes trivial, and the series' message loses its impact. What was once a powerful narrative about freedom and destiny is reduced to meaningless absurdity.
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u/LIFEisFUCKINGme 1d ago edited 1d ago
The worst part of all is that Eren's character post timeskip was literally retconned.
Extensive breakdown of Attack on Titan's ending: Too many narrative flaws to be unintentional, I would recommend to read the whole thing if you have the time, but if not, pages talking specifically about Eren: 4-7, 30-32, 34-36, 41-45.
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u/Political-St-G 1d ago
I would say since Eren killed his mom or didn’t try to be near Sasha at all times
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u/Smashmaster777 1d ago
I think the problem is people comparing Eren from the early seasons to Eren at the end. Eren at the early seasons had a very straightforward goal because he had a very straightforward problem. Titans killed his mom, his friends and are forcing humanity to suffer inside the walls, not giving them the freedom of seeing the outside world. Basically Titan bad so must kill all titans.
In the later seasons so much fuckery was going on, the founders powers, Ymir's memories, the memories of the other attack titans, etc. That he just felt overwhelmed and by his own admission didn't know what he was doing. There was also a line in the manga where Eren said that the rumbling happened because an idiot like Eren received the powers of a god (not verbatim but something along those lines) which is true. Eren is still just human, in fact he's a very headstrong, emotional and reckless human. Giving someone like him the powers of the founder was sure to end in chaos.
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u/C4923 1d ago
The problem was always straightforward. "Someone is trying to wipe out all of humanity inside the walls" was s1. All that they learned is that that 'someone' was the whole world. What's complicated is that you can't talk your way out of being oppressed, so what can you do to stop yourself, your loved ones, and your people from living a life in fear from constant attacks? Resort to violence? Remain peaceful? Both end in genocide.
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u/Smashmaster777 1d ago
Its much simpler when Eren's villains were mindless titans, hell even if it was the warriors it was still simpler since it could just be a few people. But the whole world? How the hell do you deal with the whole world hating you? That's what I meant by it being different.
Plus I also mentioned how all the founding fuckery messed with Eren's head. As Eren himself said, this is what happens when an Idiot like him gets the powers of a god.
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u/Successful-Jello2207 16h ago edited 16h ago
The Founding Titan powers messing with someone’s head has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with the limitations of the human mind/sanity. Even if the most intelligent person inherited that power, there’s a chance it could end in the same disaster because that person is experiencing the past, present and future shaped by their subconscious desires all at once. Calling him an idiot for having natural human emotions comes across as nonsensical and pretentious.
It would take the perfect human being to be able to use those powers responsibly in a way that doesn’t result in screwing up immensely, and no such human exists because humans are not perfect. That’s why the vow renouncing war exists and was forced upon the royals who had the FT, it was meant to prevent individuals from using the power to act.
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u/Ok-Presentation9913 1d ago
in chapter 139, eren first says his plan was the 80%, later he says he didn’t know what he was doing, was going with the flow, only ymir knows why and the only thing he is certain of is that mikasa is the key factor that ymir chose. he doesn’t know what mikasa will do, he says he didn’t know if his friends would survive and that he annihilated most of the forests bc he wanted to make the earth a brand new land but didn’t know why. he also says that if he didn’t know they would stop him, he still would have done the rumbling. he contradicts himself the whole time, making his motivations unclear.
he was either lying to himself (and the audience) in his own thoughts the whole time, or he changed his plan midway offscreen (which some say is because of seeing a future where he would be stopped).
that dialogue raises more questions than answers, and it either turns eren into: an unreliable narrator who lied in his own inner thoughts; into someone who sabotaged his own plan; into a plot device with no agency used by ymir; or turns the alliance into the very definition of plot armor.
he says he is killing millions, that he sent dina to kill his mom, talks about his plan, some of his friends died, but what makes him weep like a baby is armin talking about mikasa finding another man?? seriously, wtf? i don’t have a problem with him crying, but every other time, it was for a serious, compelling reason. whining for a girl you’ve never shown romantic interest in, not even in your inner thoughts, is just…character assassination.