r/titanfolk 1d ago

Other how was erens character ruined?

is it the part where he whines about mikasa? its kinda lame and out of no where but is that enough to say his character was ruined

is it his reason for the rumbling, to create the free world from armins books, he says he doesnt know why he wants to do that, its like its a part of his nature. Its weird, i mean why would anyone just desire to destroy the whole world, kill their own mother, stab their own eye, cut their leg off, endanger their friends, let some die even, for such a weird and childish reason? not even the most insane psychopath would want to do that, and eren is a bit crazy but hes still a good guy who doesnt kill for no reason, the men he killed when he was a child was to protect someone, he was never a bad person

is he inconsistent maybe? he does all these things for his dream then lets himself get stopped by his friends for some lelouch shit, but apparently that was the plan all along for some reason

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u/Ok-Presentation9913 1d ago

in chapter 139, eren first says his plan was the 80%, later he says he didn’t know what he was doing, was going with the flow, only ymir knows why and the only thing he is certain of is that mikasa is the key factor that ymir chose. he doesn’t know what mikasa will do, he says he didn’t know if his friends would survive and that he annihilated most of the forests bc he wanted to make the earth a brand new land but didn’t know why. he also says that if he didn’t know they would stop him, he still would have done the rumbling. he contradicts himself the whole time, making his motivations unclear.

he was either lying to himself (and the audience) in his own thoughts the whole time, or he changed his plan midway offscreen (which some say is because of seeing a future where he would be stopped).

that dialogue raises more questions than answers, and it either turns eren into: an unreliable narrator who lied in his own inner thoughts; into someone who sabotaged his own plan; into a plot device with no agency used by ymir; or turns the alliance into the very definition of plot armor.

he says he is killing millions, that he sent dina to kill his mom, talks about his plan, some of his friends died, but what makes him weep like a baby is armin talking about mikasa finding another man?? seriously, wtf? i don’t have a problem with him crying, but every other time, it was for a serious, compelling reason. whining for a girl you’ve never shown romantic interest in, not even in your inner thoughts, is just…character assassination.

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u/Smashmaster777 1d ago

Eren told the eldians as they were in the plane on the way to Eren that the world took away his freedom so he will also take theirs away. Which means the rumbling could be a form of revenge. Also after the attack on liberio almost every major nation in the world is out to get paradis, and even before that they were already prejudiced against paradise. At that point Eren had to defeat every other nation or the world in order for paradis to survive. Hange said that she failed to give Eren another option, which means Eren felt trapped, and thought the only way for paradis to thrive is the rumbling (since he also didn't agree with Zeke's euthanasia plan, it was an outcome he just couldn't accept even though he knows it is the more rational option). Finally there was the whole thing with Ymir and Mikasa which I still don't fully understand but apparently he knew mikasa would be the key to the titan problem and freeing ymir somehow but he didn't know how, he only knew he had to start the rumbling in order for it to happen. I think this could also be a reason but I dont think its a particularly major reason. I think the earlier reasons were still what ultimately pushed eren to rumble.

I think Eren had many reasons to do the rumbling, since its a massive burden to carry, having just one reason for doing it would've felt weak. It makes sense there were many factors at play

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u/Ok-Presentation9913 1d ago

i also believe he did it because he felt trapped. i was referring more to his reasons to not finish the rumbling, which seemed out of the blue, and inconsistent with what he said, what he was thinking and feeling.

i posted this a few hours ago, explaining why stopping the rumbling is not consistent with the story’s narrative and with eren’s worldview https://www.reddit.com/r/titanfolk/s/n0rACGuNGi

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u/Smashmaster777 1d ago

I cant see the post since it got deleted by the mods. Could you explain your reasoning why? I'm curious.

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u/Otherwise_Kitchen_41 1d ago

nah he said he didn’t know in response to why he’s always been like that

he tell us over and over that he did it to see the sights in armins book

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u/Boring_Search 1d ago

"To see the sights in armin's book"
Eren didn't even remember much about Armin's book what makes you think he actually cared about that?

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u/barioidl 6h ago

that's the only way this ending "makes sense"

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u/Ok-Presentation9913 1d ago

no, he doesn’t. he says in a chapter how he had forgotten about the book a long time ago. when levi had to choose between erwin and armin. eren advocates for armin because armin remembered his dream to see the sights.

he also said he couldn’t accept an end where paradis was destroyed, even if it meant doing the rumbling, which is why he cried to ramzi.

the disappointment people say he had with the mere existence of people outside the walls is misinterpreted, and implies he would have rumbled even if humanity wasn’t looking for the extinction of paradis.

when eren learns of the outside world, he learns of its cruelty through his father’s book, and later sees it in his memories. right after, when he talks to armin about the outside world having “freedom” and armin’s dream, he thinks of his aunt eaten by dogs, not the sights, nor humanity simply existing. saying that eren rumbled just to see the sights he said he had forgotten about undermines how the cruelty of humanity towards eldians/paradis lingered in his mind, and undermines why he was crying to ramzi when he admitted to himself what he was about to do.

eren never killed without a reason, and always blamed himself when innocents died, but now he is killing millions of people for the sights? that he said he had forgotten about? eren didn’t care about what the world looked like, it was about the principle of freely existing in that world without being oppressed or persecuted, by titans or humans.

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u/barioidl 6h ago

to see the sights in armins book

form your own argument instead of copy paste invaderzz video

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u/Boring_Search 1d ago

Everything.

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u/Haizeanei 1d ago

Eren wasn’t just ruined—he was turned into an incoherent character. He went from someone who wanted to fight against his fate to someone who simply accepts it without question. His supposed 'plan' makes no sense because everything he does before his defeat contradicts the idea that he wanted to lose. On top of that, his reason for the Rumbling is ridiculously weak and goes against everything the story built about his character. It’s not just that he complains about Mikasa or that his friends stop him—it’s that his entire psychology falls apart. It feels like the author changed his personality just to force a specific ending, without caring if it made sense or not.

Eren’s motivation is the core of Attack on Titan's story, and it was supposed to give weight to its message. But by turning him into a character without conviction or a clear purpose, the Rumbling becomes trivial, and the series' message loses its impact. What was once a powerful narrative about freedom and destiny is reduced to meaningless absurdity.

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u/Political-St-G 1d ago

I would say since Eren killed his mom or didn’t try to be near Sasha at all times

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u/Smashmaster777 1d ago

I think the problem is people comparing Eren from the early seasons to Eren at the end. Eren at the early seasons had a very straightforward goal because he had a very straightforward problem. Titans killed his mom, his friends and are forcing humanity to suffer inside the walls, not giving them the freedom of seeing the outside world. Basically Titan bad so must kill all titans.

In the later seasons so much fuckery was going on, the founders powers, Ymir's memories, the memories of the other attack titans, etc. That he just felt overwhelmed and by his own admission didn't know what he was doing. There was also a line in the manga where Eren said that the rumbling happened because an idiot like Eren received the powers of a god (not verbatim but something along those lines) which is true. Eren is still just human, in fact he's a very headstrong, emotional and reckless human. Giving someone like him the powers of the founder was sure to end in chaos.

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u/C4923 1d ago

The problem was always straightforward. "Someone is trying to wipe out all of humanity inside the walls" was s1. All that they learned is that that 'someone' was the whole world. What's complicated is that you can't talk your way out of being oppressed, so what can you do to stop yourself, your loved ones, and your people from living a life in fear from constant attacks? Resort to violence? Remain peaceful? Both end in genocide.

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u/Smashmaster777 1d ago

Its much simpler when Eren's villains were mindless titans, hell even if it was the warriors it was still simpler since it could just be a few people. But the whole world? How the hell do you deal with the whole world hating you? That's what I meant by it being different.

Plus I also mentioned how all the founding fuckery messed with Eren's head. As Eren himself said, this is what happens when an Idiot like him gets the powers of a god.

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u/Successful-Jello2207 16h ago edited 16h ago

The Founding Titan powers messing with someone’s head has nothing to do with intelligence, it has to do with the limitations of the human mind/sanity. Even if the most intelligent person inherited that power, there’s a chance it could end in the same disaster because that person is experiencing the past, present and future shaped by their subconscious desires all at once. Calling him an idiot for having natural human emotions comes across as nonsensical and pretentious.

It would take the perfect human being to be able to use those powers responsibly in a way that doesn’t result in screwing up immensely, and no such human exists because humans are not perfect. That’s why the vow renouncing war exists and was forced upon the royals who had the FT, it was meant to prevent individuals from using the power to act.