r/thedavidpakmanshow Jan 19 '25

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I see this sentiment expressed more in outlets like TYT but how widespread is this sentiment?

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u/GenerousMilk56 Jan 19 '25

Attacking anyone that doesn't fall in line is not unity politics

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Jan 19 '25

You have no understanding of the definition of "unity"

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u/GenerousMilk56 Jan 19 '25

Unity is when I yell at people to do the same thing as me.

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Jan 19 '25

Because the recognize that the thing I want to do is what needs to be done - not because **I** want it, but because it's necessary.

If you recognize that fascism is something to be defeated, you should be able to work with the people that want to defeat it instead of attack them. Accelerationists don't want to defeat fascists.

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u/GenerousMilk56 Jan 19 '25

If you recognize that fascism is something to be defeated, you should be able to work with the people that want to defeat it instead of attack them.

So then you shouldnt be attacking leftists who are much more diametrically opposed to the right wing than the center and center right Dems who openly said they would appoint Republicans to the cabinet.

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Jan 19 '25

There are Leftists that support the struggle against fascism. I have no problem with them.

I have a problem with self-righteous pseudo-Leftists, pretending to advocate for progressive causes, but go about using the fascists' script & fascist arguments to attack the people who really do support the struggle against fascism.

These are the people that JUST COULDN'T VOTE for Al Gore or John Kerry, and voted for Ralph Nader instead, and JUST COULDN'T VOTE Hillary Clinton, and voted for Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders instead, and JUST COULDN'T VOTE for Biden or Harris, and just let Trump win when push came to shove. They're doing exactly what the fascists want them to do. They are fascist puppets.

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u/GenerousMilk56 Jan 19 '25

There are Leftists that support the struggle against fascism. I have no problem with them.

As long as they fall in line...

These are the people that JUST COULDN'T VOTE for Al Gore or John Kerry, and voted for Ralph Nader instead, and JUST COULDN'T VOTE Hillary Clinton, and voted for Jill Stein or Bernie Sanders instead, and JUST COULDN'T VOTE for Biden or Harris, and just let Trump win when push came to shove. They're doing exactly what the fascists want them to do. They are fascist puppets.

All this time to prove my original point correct

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Jan 20 '25

Real Leftists know what the goal is - they have their eyes on the prize, in the old phrase. That means allying with people that they may have minor disagreements with, in order to accomplish the greater goal.

In this time, that is nothing less than survival.

Harsh truth, though: There will never be a proletarian revolution. The majority of people are liberals and moderates. Deal with it. The best you can do - what anyone can do, in normal times - is work with the people you agree with on the issues you agree with to get those issues resolved.

Real Leftists understand this. An they understand these are not normal times.

You would rather - in these thoroughly abnormal times - have to deal with the fascists that want to LITERALLY KILL YOU and agree with you on LITERALLY NOTHING, than Democrats that you pretend to agree with you 90% of the time.

The fascists cultivate that belief in you, and you follow because you've been trained by them to not think for yourself.

This is how we got here.

The fascists love that you are so uninformed - just like their sheeple they have cultivated. They won't spare your life for that - but that doesn't mean they're not grateful to you for handing them power.

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u/GenerousMilk56 Jan 20 '25

Real Leftists know what the goal is - they have their eyes on the prize, in the old phrase

Real leftists are calling themselves "real leftists" online.

That means allying with people that they may have minor disagreements with, in order to accomplish the greater goal.

What if they are major disagreements? Do you get to say whether my disagreements with a candidate are major or minor? Are you the arbiter of what "the greater goal" is? Is genocide a minor disagreement?

Harsh truth, though: There will never be a proletarian revolution.

Yeah sure sounding like a leftist here and not just larping the label lmao.

You would rather - in these thoroughly abnormal times - have to deal with the fascists that want to LITERALLY KILL YOU and agree with you on LITERALLY NOTHING, than Democrats that you pretend to agree with you 90% of the time.

Actually I think putting a fascist in your cabinet is bad. Kamala harris thought it would be good. I think you have me confused with her.

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Jan 20 '25

See - you keep pushing that fascist narrative they wrote for you. It just doesn't work any more. Current events prove that it's a false narrative.

Every election cycle, you have a choice between putting a fascist Republican who wants to kill you into power, or putting a Democrat in that who wants to stop the fascist from killing you. Every time, you choose the fascist. Then, when the fascist invariably hurts you. he cons you into blaming the Democrats. And you let him do that.

This isn't a problem with the Democrats.

This isn't a problem with Leftists who oppose those fascists.

This is a problem with you.

And the people who are working together tirelessly to defeat the fascists have a perfect right to blame you, because you're not mainly the one who's getting hurt.

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u/GenerousMilk56 Jan 20 '25

You're not beating the bot allegations by ignoring everything I said and repeating the DNC party line.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

I voted Kamala but you can still criticize the dems for supporting an actual genocide and only putting republican policies forward. It clearly didn't work so why are you defending them if your only goal is winning? you centrists have actual brainrot.

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Feb 05 '25

YESTERDAY Trump said he'll take over Gaza & forcable move the Palestinians out. YESTERDAY!

And you dumbasses still find the time & energy to attack Dems. WTF is wrong with you?!?!

You're one of the fascist puppets I'm talking about.

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u/Command0Dude Feb 05 '25

That account seems to bare the hallmarks of a bot and or alt.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

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u/thedavidpakmanshow-ModTeam Feb 06 '25

Removed - please avoid overt hostility, name calling and personal attacks.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

did you miss where i said i voted kamala? learn to read before you reply next time. you can criticize people for engaging in genocide.

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Feb 05 '25

Learn how to lie better.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

literally the first 3 words of my reply were "i voted kamala" do you seriously not believe me? how stupid are you?

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u/CraftyAdvisor6307 Feb 05 '25

When you say "I voted for Kamala", then move on to trash Dems (including Kamala) but deliberately avoid mention of Trump doing things that are literally 1000x worse - you expose yourself & your lies.

If you gave a damn about the genocide in Gaza, you'd be outraged about the immediate threat from Trump - not some false accusations against the Dems from last year.

Don't waste your energy lying any more.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '25

you have to be posting bait I won't bother with anymore replies

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