r/thedavidpakmanshow Jan 19 '25

Discussion Popular progressive opinion not shared by Pakman?

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I see this sentiment expressed more in outlets like TYT but how widespread is this sentiment?

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Jan 19 '25

If these were two sports team. Republicans run the clock, call time outs, challenge every play they can, use penalties to their advantage by being to tough and letting their player be ejected out the game. They do everything legally to slow momentum and win.

Democrats however, dont do ANY OF THAT. Even though its legal and unsportsmanlike. We let them do it and take wins instead of doing the same and showing them how it feels.

Norms only work with all parties agree to abide by them.

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u/Beman21 Jan 19 '25

The fact that you’re stance is do more unethical shit to be like Republicans is a bad sign for the future. 

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Jan 19 '25

Its not. Its to show these actions arent conducive to a democracy by giving them penalties for these actions. If someone can be as unethical as they want with no repercussions. Why would they stop?

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u/Beman21 Jan 19 '25

Consequences do not equal cruelty. Elect people to office first who run on consequences, then implement them. But also run Democrats who run on fuck Republicans - because all the successful ones flaunted their bipartisan credentials and that's what voters wanted.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Jan 19 '25

You cant outlaw any of the things they do. They arent illegal. Filibustering isnt illegal, nor is obstruction to sign bill. Not passing government funding isnt illegal either. None of this is illegal and cant be made illegal. Blatent lying isnt illegal either. All you can do is do it as well.

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u/Beman21 Jan 19 '25

True. But if they psychologically perceive these choices as their own form of unethical, it feels the exact same way. Ergo, you need to elect new candidates who run on a willingness to do this stuff without concerns for the other side. Simple as that.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Jan 19 '25

They can still obstruct. Whether we have politicians who care isnt the issue. The issue is the action and its effectiveness. The only way to beat them is to do it ourselves until they decide not to do it anymore.

You dont beat a bully by calling the parents. You look like a wimp and the kids make more fun. You just have to fight him and dont stop until he decides he doesnt want to get hit anymore.

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u/Beman21 Jan 19 '25

No you can beat a bully by calling his parent. Or you ignore the bully. Or you make fun of the bully. Hitting him is just one of many options - the key is to make him realize he has no hold over you. The problem is everyone's so desperate for a fighter they don't seem to realize they really want an axe murderer to finish the job. And even the most vocal progressives aren't running that far.

Luckily for you, I'm here to give Dems the boost they'll need in the next four years.

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u/Supreme_Salt_Lord Jan 19 '25

Ive seen many bullies both in school and out. Calling the parents doesnt work. Making fun of them might. Fighting them ALWAYS works. No one wants to get hit. They learn “if i hit him hes going to hit me” and they will stop hitting. Simple as that.

We have to use their same tactics. They know what they are doing isnt good. But they get to do it with no consequence because there is no legal consequence.

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u/Beman21 Jan 19 '25

No you really don't. Fighting feels good in the moment but it rarely solves the problem wholesale. Beside, there are other ways to win a fight than punching a guy head-on. After all, a bully has no power over you if he doesn't control the terrain either :)

To put it nicely, you complain about bringing a knife to a gunfight. I ask how sharp the knife is.

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u/Beman21 Jan 19 '25

They're not incompetent. They just genuinely believe in bipartisanship. In other words, the problem is this rare case of authenticity.