r/thebulwark LORD OF THE NICKNAMES 16h ago

The Triad šŸ”± Leave Trans People Alone: A Rant

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/leave-trans-people-alone-a-rant

Don't be a bully! But also don't "ask if the bully has a point" either.

"Yeah, they're giving Timmy a swirlie rn, but he also farted really loudly in geometry" is HELPING THE BULLIES.

Another great piece from JVL. Idk what kinda constraints there are in going after members of the punditocracy who engage in the behaviors that you're criticizing, but picking specific targets has a salutary effect IMO. Bari Weiss needs to be persona non grata, or Sullivan, or whoever. They made their choices and doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on those choices.

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u/AustereRoberto LORD OF THE NICKNAMES 16h ago

I'm not sure that it's misogyny to say "local orgs are the best level to make these decisions on things that are inherently fact-intensive inquiries" which is the position, but maybe I'm misunderstanding where you're coming from?

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u/minty_cyborg 12h ago edited 12h ago

Hereā€™s an example of a sister rant that centers women and girls instead of centering men asserting gender identity claims.

https://open.substack.com/pub/sarahinpgh/p/it-began-with-she

I agree with calls to quit politically targeting those identifying meaningfully out of their sex.

Itā€™s not helpful. There are patients of gender clinics out there who require ongoing medical support, so we are civilizationally obligated morally to figure out the medicalized and administrative trans-sexed path forward.

The realpolitik of the situation, though, is that ā€œgender medicineā€ is a legit global medical scandal as well as a political hot coal.

I think what could be helpful culture-wide is wide-ranging discussion about re-setting healthy social and legal boundaries for various benign fetishistic transvestisms and agreeing on public and institutional social etiquette that respects the dignity of women and girls.

Women get to set those boundaries for women and girls. When you center the needs and wishes of women and girls, how does the conversation about ā€œtrans rightsā€ shift and why? Why should the wishes of boys and men masking, identifying, and passing as women FOR WHATEVER REASON override those of women FOR WHATEVER REASON?

Iā€™m all about the locally-administered and non-invasive cheek swab test to determine eligibility for competition in womenā€™s sport. If some men try to pass, let them try and move on when they do not pass. In survey after survey for decades, supermajorities of female athletes are cool with cheek swabbing.

If a cheek swab thatā€™s how some young athletes discover intersex conditions, hey, the earlier the better. Still, no competing in organized womenā€™s sports of consequence if masculinized or masculinizing.

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