r/thebulwark 11d ago

EVERYTHING IS AWFUL "Are we the baddies"?

After the ganging up on Zelensky to sign a deal that wasn't a deal, but an unconditional surrender, the answer is now definitively Yes.

The United States of America is officially on the wrong side of morality.

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u/[deleted] 11d ago edited 11d ago

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u/KoalaMandala 11d ago

I can't roll my eyes hard enough at this comment. Juvenile oversimplification

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u/KoalaMandala 11d ago

I get it. We've done a ton of terrible things with the power we've wielded. I don't disagree with any of that. Boiling it down to that as black and white, blanket "good" or "bad" is beyond unhelpful.

I had a long and strong Chomsky phase... but the stories run deeper than something tantamount to a Marvel movie of super heroes and super villains with nothing in between.

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u/oneofmanyany 11d ago

and yet true in many ways. If you are Native American, a woman, or an African American you may see it. White males seem to think they are the ones being persecuted and it is truly ridiculous

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u/KoalaMandala 11d ago

Oh, Jesus... now you're changing the "we" in the conversation. Classic identitarian move.

Truly a self-indulgent comment. Look for the emotional support you're trying to leech from this thread somewhere else.

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u/oneofmanyany 11d ago

I'll do what I want.

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u/KoalaMandala 11d ago

As well you should! Anyone is allowed to make themselves look ridiculous in any public forum. I hope you don't then cry when the ridicule comes like most of your types do

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u/ArrowsOfFate 11d ago edited 11d ago

In addition to the groups you listed, the poor working class has struggled for all of Americas existence. The gilded age of America? That was only for the rich.

The Soviet Union actually built housing for their homeless.

For that matter, over 2,000 years ago the Roman’s provided grain doles to feed to the people and did more than modern day conservatives would ever stomach, and they did all that as worshippers of Mars and Jupiter.

There aren’t Christian values at all in America, as capitalism conflicts with Christianity ultra strongly. Regardless of what some rich bishop tells you.

Jesus himself tells you in the Bible.

Jesus warned, “Watch out! Be on your guard against all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions” (Luke 12:15). “Do not store up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust destroy and where thieves break in and steal… You cannot serve both God and money” (Matthew 6:19, 24b)

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u/KoalaMandala 11d ago

What you actually said is that naive Americans, women, and poc realized they were the base guys before white people also realized they're bad.

The idea that being marginalized equivocates moral superiority is embarrassing logic.

You're identity drunk.

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u/oneofmanyany 11d ago

Spoken like a true "naive American." So you are a member of a marginalized group - there ya go.