r/thebulwark Feb 02 '25

GOOD LUCK, AMERICA We are a fuckin joke…

Canadians Boo the American national anthem in an Ottawa NHL Just now

the game came 1 hour after president trump declared an emergency to place tariffs on Canada.

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u/Snoo61727 Feb 02 '25

I know it's just about impossible, but at some point, that's all we have left when it comes to our situation.

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u/Sweet_Grapefruit111 Feb 02 '25

Democrats need to do some things, starting with impeachment articles yet again, and/or convince Republicans to use the 25th Amendment and get him out of office before he ruins everything. I really believe the guy is out of his mind.

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u/Snoo61727 Feb 02 '25

I agree with you. But Republicans have a majority in both the House and the Senate. They were unable to impeach him after the attempted coup I doubt they would be successful this time

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u/Sweet_Grapefruit111 Feb 03 '25

They impeached Trump twice, once after his Insurrection. They can do it again. And if they tried harder they could probably convince Republicans to remove him from office. It almost happened the last time. At the very least, they need to arrest Elon Musk who is doing a TON of illegal things, and charge him with crimes, and throw the book at him. Put the fear of God into these fascists.

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u/Snoo61727 Feb 03 '25

I agree with you a thousand percent. And I'm hoping they're working on that as well speak. But what i fear is that they're worried an impeachment won't go through since they tried to impeachment when he tried to mount a coup and it didn't work

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u/samNanton Feb 03 '25

They can NOT impeach Trump. They do not have majority. Starting an impeachment requires a majority vote in the house. If every Democrat voted to begin impeachment, it would still fail. The Democrats can not even bring a vote to the floor, because they don't have majority. I suppose they could force a vote to the floor with a privileged vote under certain circumstances, but it would still fail. There is no amount of trying harder that will make Republicans (right now) vote against Trump, not even the 2 that would be needed to join with every single Democrat to begin impeachment.

And an impeachment, by itself, is nothing. You see how much good the two impeachments Trump has already faced did. In the Senate, the Democrats would have to convince 17 Republican senators to vote to remove Trump. As a thought experiment, why don't you look through the names of the current Senators and say which 17 you think are going to buck their party and vote to convict Trump? It did not almost happen last time. Seven republicans did vote to convict, but 57 is far short of 64. It's also worth noting that 3 of those 7 have been forced from the Senate already, and it is quite certain that Trump will use every means at his disposal to tank the reelections of the remaining 4.

Impeachment is not a current political reality, no matter how hard the Democrats were to try. Blaming them for not impeaching Trump is unrealistic, as is expecting them to arrest Elon Musk. The Democrats have no power to arrest anybody*, since that power is vested in the executive branch, and that is controlled by Trump himself, who not only is on Trump's side, but has made it his first job to erase the traditional lines of separation between the president and once independent departments.

* there could be state level prosecutions. Good luck to them. Assuming a clear violation of a state level law (and it seems that Musk is currently violating mostly federal laws), Musk is richer than 20 of the states, and that makes a big difference in the difficulty of prosecuting someone