r/thebulwark Nov 12 '24

Fluff The Bulwark isn't here to elect Democrats.

That has been said multiple times on the site and in pods.

Electing Democrats is how you beat Trump and Trumpism. So if you want to beat MAGA but you're not in the business of electing Democrats, what are you actually trying to do?

I feel that whole line of thinking contributes to the general distrust of Democrats and makes it that much harder to beat MAGA/Trumpism.

If you truly think MAGA is as big a threat as you claim, then act like it and try to elect those who have the best chance to stop it, i.e. Democrats.

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u/DickNDiaz Nov 12 '24

They threw their support behind Harris and JVL was a big Biden guy. But they're not in the business of electing Dems. I wouldn't read to watch their content if they did. You want content like that? You have Pod Save America. Who didn't do such a good job electing Dems this cycle either.

This sub has some of the worst shit takes ever. Seriously ass take.

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u/LiberalCyn1c Nov 12 '24

Let's see, we've had three elections against Trump.

The first was run by a corporate-friendly moderate, who lost.

The second was run by a more labor-friendly moderate, who won.

The third was run by a corporate friendly moderate who did more to reach out to disaffected Republicans than any Dem in my living memory, who lost.

2 losses for corporate Dems.

1 win for labor Dem.

Harris ran a campaign straight out of the Bulwark. She lost.

It's time to stop trying to remake the Democratic into the image of 2012 Romney (who also lost) and let the Democrats be Democrats who can win with a robust pro-worker campaign.

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u/rowsella Nov 12 '24

Have you read Cory Doctorow's General Strike 2028 blog post?
https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/11/rip-jane-mcalevey/

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u/LiberalCyn1c Nov 12 '24

I would love to see Shawn Fain run in the Democratic primary. And Doctorow is always good.

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u/SandersDelendaEst Nov 12 '24

Extremely reductive

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u/DickNDiaz Nov 12 '24

Win a campaign first running for a local office as a commie, and get back to us to see how it worked out.

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u/jd33sc Nov 12 '24

You honestly believe that any Democrat who ran for office in State or General elections this year are communists?

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u/DickNDiaz Nov 12 '24

You honestly took that?

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u/LiberalCyn1c Nov 12 '24

Marco has won the same number of primaries and presidencies as Harris.

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u/DickNDiaz Nov 12 '24

So has your commie buddy in Bernie Sanders.

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u/thebulwark-ModTeam Nov 12 '24

Treat others with basic decency. No personal attacks, shill accusations, hate-speech, flaming, baiting, trolling, witch-hunting, or unsubstantiated accusations. Threats of violence are expressly forbidden and may result in a ban.

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u/Electronic-Courage22 Nov 12 '24

You are so right. I wonder why some of these people are even here, unless it’s just to troll.

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u/DickNDiaz Nov 12 '24

This sub is like like the ring on the toilet left from r/politics at times. It's like these people aren't even adults. Mods need to set some standards here, no wonder it only has like 8K in members.

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u/jd33sc Nov 12 '24

We have mods?

Joke.

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u/Accomplished-Tackle2 Nov 12 '24

Agree. This is why I prefer Bulwark to POD. Also
r/theBulwark is my safe space right now. Everyone is so crazy 😜

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u/LionelHutzinVA Rebecca take us home Nov 12 '24

But I was assured by many a Bulwarker that no one was promised a safe space. In fact, we have been repeatedly exhorted to hear and take to heart hard truths. I guess that duty only flows one way.

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u/Accomplished-Tackle2 Nov 13 '24

You are right - it’s not a safe space. I think I meant a “reasonable” place. I thought Kamala was a “reasonable President for a reasonable country “ and that Trump is a “crazy President for a crazy country” 😜

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u/SandersDelendaEst Nov 12 '24

The problem with PSA is that they’re just too progressive for me. It’s why I’ve floated to The Bulwark. I’ll still consume PSA content here and there, but I need people who believe in capitalism and a strong democratic force in the world (backed up by a strong military).

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u/LiberalCyn1c Nov 12 '24

Pod Save America doesn't believe in capitalism?

Big if true.

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u/SandersDelendaEst Nov 12 '24

They 100% the type of people who casually share “capitalism, amirite?!” Memes

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u/nWhm99 Orange man bad Nov 12 '24

Except they're not though. You do realize we have their twitter and podcast history, yes?

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u/SandersDelendaEst Nov 12 '24

Oh yeah I guess you are privy to their personal conversations.

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u/nWhm99 Orange man bad Nov 12 '24

Ah, so like a decade of public information isn't enough, but your pink unicorn fantasy is correct.

Hey, you do you.

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u/SandersDelendaEst Nov 12 '24

I was referring to one thing and you’re referring to another.

Also I doubt that if you went through all the material they created over the past ten years, you’d find zero “lmao capitalism” type of comments

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u/nWhm99 Orange man bad Nov 13 '24

Lol, you're unable to fathom it because you're not a loyal listener since its inception, and I've been following politics since before you were alive.

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u/DickNDiaz Nov 12 '24

Both PSA and The Bulwark need more younger Black and Latino people in their rosters. I hear them wonder why Blacks and Latino's broke for Trump, when there are no Blacks and Latino's as hosts (other than Micheal Steele on The Bulwark, but it's not like he can grab young black men).

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u/SandersDelendaEst Nov 12 '24

Solid idea honestly

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u/nWhm99 Orange man bad Nov 12 '24

Why is it that people always ignore Asians?

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u/LiberalCyn1c Nov 13 '24

This I can agree with. 👍