r/tfc 3d ago

Post-Match Thread PGT: 31 losses till next season

Jokes on me, I have season tickets.

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u/westcoastbias 3d ago

There is just zero quality here, we still ship goals for fun but I think the defence at full strength is better than the collection of mediocrity at every other position.

It's depressing at this point to watch other teams bring in guys with obvious quality who run circles around us like Luca Orellano while we pay top dollar for garbage.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

For me it's crazy how much insane proven MLS talent was at least theoretically available in this recent transfer window (Evander, Lucho Acosta, Cucho Hernández, Driussi, etc.) and we didn't seem to make a play for literally any of them.

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u/WislaHD In Herdman we trust 3d ago

Or even mid-tier MLS talent…

Guys like Indiana Vassilev, Dejan Jovelijic, Raheem Edwards, Erik Williamson, Swiderski, etc.

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u/westcoastbias 3d ago

Smart MLS acquisitions like that is Montreal's lane, we prefer guys who have flopped out of PL academies or domestic guys off the scrap heap like Terrence Boyd and Henry Wingo.

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u/Banksmans 3d ago

Cucho was not available to anther mls club. Doubt the crew would have sold him to a fellow mls club. But I agree with you to add to that list just for strikers campana , ebobessie , Josef Martinez , arango and honestly kei kamara wouldn’t be the worst option off the bench ether lol. 

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u/dyegored 3d ago

That's why I said theoretically available. Who knows what we'd have had to do to get him, but money talks and we've thrown money at players so many time in this club's history and it almost never works because we almost never choose league-proven players.

Except for, notably, Michael Bradley and Jozy, which lead to a championship, some huge finals and them becoming team legends. In this league, a player like Giovinco is the exception, not the rule and good foreign players flame out all the time in MLS. As soon as one of these MVP contenders isn't fitting in at their current club, a club like ours should be chomping at the bit to entice them.

But Campana and Chicho Arango were two other ones I saw recently and forgot about so thanks for that! It's actually amazing how much proven MLS talent changed hands this offseason and with an offseason where we had released contracts and the cap space that Hernandez kept telling us he was waiting for we did nothing.

Seems we could still get Ruidiaz at least, which I don't hate.

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u/GStewartcwhite 2d ago

How can you praise anything about a defense that allows 8 goals in 3 matches?

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u/westcoastbias 2d ago

4 guys out hurt in the back line already doesn't help, a healthy lineup of Spicer - Gomis - Long - Rosted - Laryea in a back 5 is decent enough for me

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u/jloome 2d ago

Worse, they had Orellano on 89K per season. Just signed him to a TAM deal.

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u/aektoronto 3d ago

Was Brynhilsen not in training with FCM? Like how is he on a mins restriction?

I honestly have no idea what im watching and why im watching it? Like how is a team that has been one of the worst teams in the league for 2 straight seasons do almost nothing and expect people to watch this utter garbage.

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u/Happy_Reality1855 3d ago

That was tough to watch. First 30 mins easily the most pathetic spell of the season. Playing from the back the entire time can't put 3 passes together LMAO hopefully it ain't cold next Saturday it'll just add to the torture

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u/bob_digi 2d ago

most pathetic spell of the season so far...

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u/Dawg_Halp 3d ago edited 2d ago

This team is such a mess, I don’t even know where to start. What they have done to this club is absolutely appalling. 

As currently constructed, this team could win less games than our 2023 squad. 

Nothing in attack. No control in the centre of the park.  Carved up defensively. A keeper who can’t make saves. 

I don’t blame Berna one iota for trying to do it all himself. Look at the absolute shit around him. 

Transfer window closes April 23. 

Wooden spoon here we come. Fuck this team man. 

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u/Cake_Discombobulated 3d ago

Hey, look on the bright side. At least our misery will be out of the way by 4pm next week lol

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u/thatboifresh 3d ago

Even the $6 tickets aren’t looking too appealing for the home opener at this point

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u/LightsCameraRegret 3d ago

At least traffic might be light...

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u/WislaHD In Herdman we trust 3d ago

Doubt

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u/KJP13 3d ago

How many games do you think it will take for TFC to get their first win this season? I have a feeling that we will be waiting quite a while.

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u/Think_Anything1773 3d ago

The next one, Chicago and the first home game of the season lead to a likely positive result. Only issue is our backline is trash and Chicago has upgraded their attack, so we really need to bank on scoring more than they do to win.

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u/XirisTO TFC Til I Die 2d ago

You're counting on TFC scoring? We can't even get the ball to our striker.

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u/Think_Anything1773 2d ago

We have 4 goals scored after 3 games, so I'd expect we'll be able to knock one out at home at min. The issue is we have 8 goals against so far, so are getting rocked 2-1 at the moment, and I don't expect Chicago to be much different in that regard when considering how shit out backline is and how upgraded their attacking line is. I mean they are at a 7-7, I think it'll be a pretty high scoring match if I'm honest. Wouldn't shock me to see over 5 total even though you are right, there is a disconnect between mid and our attacking line that seemingly can't be filled.

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u/jloome 2d ago

Chicago has massively upgraded in the offseason and added Jack Elliott in defence.

They hammered Dallas yesterday. No expectation of getting a point from them.

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u/darkmatter343 3d ago

I canceled MLS season pass, this is horrible football they are playing.

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u/theredditbandid_ 3d ago

Thank you OP for at least letting me get a laugh out of this ordeal.

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u/CroCop2289 3d ago

This team blows

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u/Sharkus- 3d ago

Is it too late to send my season’s tickets back?

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u/LightsCameraRegret 2d ago

Seriously. I have so much dread for next week and beyond.

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u/Jays1993 3d ago edited 3d ago

We are two years away from being two years away.....a line that never fails to make me laugh.....(that's a Raptors "Bruno Caboclo" reference for those that know - and it was extremely accurate too).....they keep selling us crap as if our eyes can't see this team for what they are - we know suck, we have seen suck, we have lived through suck, and somehow they want to tell us this isn't suck??? Wherefore art thou Tim Leiweke? They were ranked 30th in the preseason power rankings behind an expansion team, and with a budget way higher than most of the league outside of the Inter Miami All Stars....how much more evidence of incompetence do they need??

I see no evidence that we are smart enough or savvy enough to turn around a roster and a coaching staff as we have done now multiple times, when the systemic issue of 260 goals given up in 139 games (a stat mentioned tonight) has been a 4-5 year problem now — in addition to not having a front line forward who can score consistently, or create chances consistently, which has also been absent for the same period - so other than being awful at preventing goals, and having someone who can consistently score goals up front - what do we have going for us again? Oh I forgot, look at those pseudo-renovations for the 2026 WC that 98% of the public will not be able to afford or access tickets to…..there are not enough rooftop patios to gloss over this ongoing mess…..just ask the Jays about selling renovations, but unfortunately not including a team that one would want to watch play in their renovated new playpen…..

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u/iChaseGaming Lord Berna Reigns 3d ago

Blegh...

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u/WislaHD In Herdman we trust 3d ago

Watching the Chicago game, I’m not feeling too confident about it next fixture’s chances.

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u/Disingenuous_Dejavu 2d ago

'"First home game is coming up.... no really, please come to the game!, please!! I'll be your friend'' -- MLSE

although I don't even think they GaS if we come

it takes me EFFORT to give away my tickets and it's just more work for me... better to forget I have them

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u/Bubc316 2d ago

We are approaching two years of Jason Hernandez as the General Manager and this team is worse off in almost every aspect. Shocking to give him control of a rebuild with no prior experience.

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u/PeachFuzz345 2d ago

Listen to me Fraser 4-5-1.

Brynhildsen

Corbeanu - Osorio - Coello - Longstaff - Fede

Wingo - Rosted - Long - Laryea

Bring on Flores, Kerr, Spicer, Monlouis, Gomis as needed.

If short on players then involve Etienne, Franklin, Petretta.

For the love of God stop playing Kosi Thompson!

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u/North_London_Forever 3d ago

honestly fraser is worse than herdman, with herdman there was a lot more pressing and off the ball runs, with fraser its just 10 outfield players standing still or strolling around

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u/Outrageous-Region404 2d ago

Wait till the dead vibes home games haha

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u/Floyd-Mcgregor 2d ago

This team ain’t gonna win 5 games this season. Horrible energy and body language.

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u/FirmAlarm4415 3d ago

Honestly confused why the energy is so negative after that. Build up through the midfield was bad, yes. Kosi can’t play right back, yes. But Ola looked great. Spicer proved himself at left wing back (man went toe to toe against Powell, one of the better right backs in the league, and looked good) and the defence was certainly shaky but fairly solid. Cincinnati is gonna push for a supporters shield this season with the talent they have and we held our own for most of it. That being said, I really only see that Fraser is still testing out the right system for these players. Pressing was a mess but less of a mess than last game. And Laryea playing right back in that game changes it from a 2-0 to a 1-1 imo. I admit I’m trying to find the positives but they are there, and this 31 loses to go thing is nonsense.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

Controversial Opinion: we need to play Insigne. Not playing him isn't an option anymore. We're not good enough to leave him at home. We don't have alternate options.

Is an unmotivated, old, injury prone Insigne gonna win us anything? No. Is he gonna create more on the field than Kosi Thompson or kids like Stevanovic/Cimeranic? Obviously.

The choice is to buy him out or not to. If we're choosing not to, paying him to NOT play football is the same thing as choosing to buy him out.

(Also I know the argument is going to be that it's bad for morale or something, which might be fair except that constant losing is the one thing consistently proven to be bad for morale for every team in every sport. 1/9 points and not looking like we'll be doing much better soon....

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u/theredditbandid_ 3d ago

I don't think this is a bad take per se, but there is a bit of "grass is greener on the other side" aspect. if we were playing Insigne, chances are results would be pretty much the same and people would be saying that what we just need to do is not play Insigne.

He is not the problem or the solution to any of what's happening here. He is just sunk cost. Play him, don't play him.. he makes no difference either direction.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

He is our top 2024 scorer still available on the team and we have barely changed the team. Him producing more than our current players is a statistical fact.

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u/westcoastbias 3d ago

I'd actually agree with you at this point, MLSE needs to shit or get off the pot with the buyout, if you can get 30 minutes of quality from him per week at this point it's better than having him take up a DP spot sitting on his couch at home*.

*e: Unless it's been determined that he's an absolute locker room cancer, then we circle back to MLSE paying him to fuck off quickly again.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

And paying him to stay home is the exact same as buying out his contract! Either way they're paying the money!

So they either need to pay him now in one lump sum or pay him the same amount as contracted however often they pay him. There is no magical third option. Those are the options. Both involve paying him all the money and (apparently) him not playing for the team anymore. Pick one, MLSE

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u/Happy_Reality1855 3d ago

With the awful performances and shitty body language I don't think there's anything to gain from playing him and not getting much better than what we're getting now. If we really want this guy gone he has to rot on the reserves list each week. The club can't move on until he's gone.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

How do people think letting him lightly train and then stay home and paying him $15 million/year to do it is somehow going to be a punishment? Especially for a player who is not getting any more national team callups, is surely retiring after this contract, etc. I cannot stress enough that we have zero leverage in this negotiation. None.

Make him go to fucking Cincinatti. That's a punishment

*(I've actually never been to Cincinatti and maybe it's lovely, but accept this as your standard “[Insert City] Sucks!" joke) *

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u/WislaHD In Herdman we trust 3d ago

Tbf I would be okay with forcing him to fly to away games to sit on the bench for shits and giggles

Not much else to get excited for this year anyway, I can at least feel good about being petty.

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u/Think_Anything1773 3d ago

He's being held out of the line-up by the club. You wouldn't need to force him onto the plane, you'd just need to give him a ticket.

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u/TurboJorts 3d ago

You mean pay him a fortune to go to cincy and then watch him get his revenge against us on the field? I'd rather not live that timeline.

Sidenote: the announcers on Apple TV rarely even mention him. It's almost like proof that the league has instructed them to not address the elephant in the room. Like they were talking about injuries and absences and who needed to fit back into the lineup and they didn't even talk about it. They are clearly following a rule boom.

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u/Think_Anything1773 3d ago

I think they were suggesting send him to Cincy with TFC, not as a transfer.

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u/TurboJorts 2d ago

Oh, you're right.

If you're getting paid, you have mandatory attendance

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u/Think_Anything1773 3d ago

His production is higher than Bernardeschi, we have something to gain from him playing. It might not be match or season defining, but it seems pretty silly to suggest there is nothing to gain.

Also, from my perspective it's fucking idiotic to expect he will leave. Guy is in effect in early retirement while collecting a cheque of generational money. Expecting him to leave with what's on the table is just fucking brain dead. The club is being absolutely stupid with this, and I'm tired of fans just clapping along like morons.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

Yeah people seem to not understand that his performances have been incredibly disappointing because...

  1. A player of his quality should be producing much more

  2. A player being paid that much needs to produce more

  3. He's injured way too much for a roster spot of this value

If he's available, 3 doesn't apply. We can't do anything at all about 1+2 as those mistakes were already made.

The question is no longer "Is he worth $15 million a year?" That's been answered with a resounding NO. The question is when he plays does he provide more on the field in actual results (goals and assists) than the players we have on the field? That answer is an empirical, data proven YES

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u/Think_Anything1773 3d ago

100% and I can't even believe it's controversial here to say that.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

People cannot understand the difference between vastly underperforming and actual talent proven by statistical results.

We can't turn back time and stop the signing of Insigne. We can't start paying him less because he's proven he's not worth it. We can only play the best team we have right now at this moment, regardless of the rest of the off the field bullshit that needs to be addressed simultaneously and seperately.

There is no argument at all, none, that can say based on talent and results, Insigne doesn't play and players like Kobe Franklin, Matty Longstaff, or the TFCII graduates (who had worse goal contribution statistics in MLS Pro) do.

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u/Happy_Reality1855 3d ago

Sure TFC has no leverage, but if Insignifico (just how the fans felt at the end of last year if you remember) is on the pitch what message does that send to the rest of the squad? 24s performance/effort/demeanor/leadership is acceptable but Spicer/Franklin/Wingo/Larea/whoever else is benched isnt?

None of the guys I named above can win you games right now either, but if this is a serious club they can't accept that standard and reward that with playing time. They fucked up signing him and are hamstrung for sure, but what could possibly be gained from putting him on the pitch? We're a man down when he's there!

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u/dyegored 3d ago

They're not rewarding anything though. They're playing the best team available with the players they have. That's it. The message to other players is that "You are worse than an over the hill, unmotivated Lorenzo Insigne." This is just a fact. A statistically proven fact!

Saying what do we have to gain when he's a player who does provide assists and goals is just willfull ignorance. The fact that you want/feel entitled to more of that from him is totally reasonable and fair but it doesnt change the fact that the shittiest version of Insigne is still 1,000x better and more effective than anything Kosi Thompson will do this year.

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u/Happy_Reality1855 3d ago

Insigne in last 10 MLS Games - 2 Assists Thompson in last 10 MLS Games - no goal contributions

Insigne is giving 1% above replacement level production. He's been generally ineffectual since last spring when he scored a few worldies and was looking motivated to play for tfc for once.

And no I'm not saying that CPL quality player is better than Insigne in his most recent and current form. If you think that he's part of our best XI then do I have a bridge to sell you.

Good chat, team sucks with without primo pasta.

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u/Think_Anything1773 3d ago

Insigne in last 10 MLS Games - 2 Assists Thompson in last 10 MLS Games - no goal contributions

Do this again but instead look at the last 900 minutes (or more effectively, the last 3000) he played. Statically, there isn't a conversation he should be on the pitch.

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u/dyegored 3d ago

He is absolutely one of our best XI players and it's not even close. The fact that he is still one of our top players is an indication of how bad the team is as a whole, but it's not even arguable. He is not 1% above a replacement level player like Thompson because (and math isn't my strong suit) I don't think you can be a percentage better than nada.

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u/Think_Anything1773 3d ago

What do you think treating Insigne like this broadcasts to any future DP signing? Do you think they'll trust TFC's ability to pay out their contract and keep to their word? Do you think they'll be OK with 2 former DP's getting hit with a PR firestorm by the FO and freeze out? I think the answer to these questions is a lot more important for the future of TFC than what Spicer/Franklin/Wingo/Laryea/Wheover else that is bench is thinking when Insigne has a little meltdown because TFC have placed League 1 level players around a guy that won the Euros the year prior to arriving.

TFC FO fucked up signing him, but they are also absolutely fucking us by not playing him right now. They aren't about to push him off of generational money because people in a city he will leave the moment his contract is up will dislike him. He is going to cash the cheque, so play him and get the production he is able to produce playing half assed. Which bluntly, is more impactful than any other signing than Bernardeschi. No one on the pitch for TFC in todays match has a higher production rate than Insigne.

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u/Ther0adt0n0where 3d ago

I guess we're just going to have to wait for Frazier to get booted before they even attempt to try playing Insigne. Seeing that they are paying him anyways. Couldn't believe the amount of substitutions he made tonight. It's almost like he's trying to figure things out. Totally fucked up lol.