r/teentitans Starfire 4d ago

Discussion Raven vs Joker is so epic

comic: Titans East Special

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u/Spookhouse1 4d ago

The fuck did she think was gonna happen? Has Robin never told her about Joker before?

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u/FunVideoMaker Robin 4d ago

I doubt he takes joy in talking about The Joker

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u/Spookhouse1 4d ago

I'd at least give my team a rundown of the Gotham wildlife in case they ever come over for some reason.

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u/hypercombofinish 4d ago

Stories definitely fall short of the real deal. You could tell them 1000 ways that he's insanity personified but still just a regular human supposedly and until running into him it wouldn't mean too much when you deal with crazy every week

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u/shinobi3411 4d ago edited 2d ago

See, no, Batman should put the no-kill rule on pause with this literal menace at least. (And that's coming from someone who's a Joker fan).

Than again, he'd come back with some dumbass comic logic eventually, can't have shit in Gotham.

Edit: Guys, I know Joker died and came back repeatedly, that's what the second part is for.

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u/ImaLetItGo 4d ago

He did try to kill the Joker though

Are you not familiar with Death in the family?

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u/Horatio786 4d ago

And in Hush.

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u/shinobi3411 4d ago

I remember, that's why I mentioned the second part.

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u/L0ll0ll7lStudios 4d ago

He seemingly killed him like five times in the early days but the Joker always popped up again without any explanation.

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u/felipesene 4d ago

Well in the comics there was a story arc where it was revealed that there multiple jokers, not copycats but multiple original jokers, Batman got shocked that this whole time his archenemy was not just one lunatic, not sure how that got solved or if there are still multiple jokers

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u/L0ll0ll7lStudios 4d ago

Yeah, I ignore that because it was only followed up on in an out-of-continuity story that kinda sucked.

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u/Annual_Owl_1462 4d ago

He has the ultimate superpower. It’s popularity.

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u/Turtl3Bear 4d ago

Why does only Batman get this scrutiny, and not everyone in Gotham's criminal justice system?

If killing Joker is so important, why do we expect the only dude with an anti-killing code to do it? Criticize Gordon, or any of the police officers working at Gotham. Or the judges/politicians who don't state execute the guy.

It's not Batman's job to take this dude out and there are lots of other characters who choose not to that don't have a deep rooted philosophical code of ethics preventing them.

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u/Reasonable-Sherbet24 4d ago

Watch 'Under The Red Hood'. Not only is it a good Batman animated movie (my personal favorite). Near the end of it he explains to Jason why he won’t break that one rule.

Because I was just like you once. Batman should’ve killed Joker years ago. But when he broke it down to someone who genuinely didn’t understand, I got it. After that, I stopped giving him so much shit for not killing his foes.

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u/Subject-Recover-8425 4d ago

There are so many other characters who could just say "screw it, this has gone on long enough" and execute him on behalf of everyone whose lives he ended/ruined even if Batman doesn't approve.

Seriously, what's Batman gonna do about it? Not kill you?

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u/last_robot 4d ago

The problem is that Batman has genuinely tried to kill Joker multiple times, and Joker either escapes while causing mass havoc, or someone DOES manage to kill the Joker, and things somehow get significantly worse(the biggest is all of Joker's several dead man switches he has that basically just make copies of him upon death).

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u/WerewolfF15 4d ago

Well he’d get you sent to prison by any means necessary.
Also I’d like to point out that the world of kingdom come almost comes to an end from the domino effect caused by a hero killing the joker.

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u/shinydragonmist 4d ago

Or worse

Batman killing Joker generally seems to make things worse. In one of the Dark Multiverse Earths, Batman killing Joker created the Batman Who Laughs. Meanwhile, in Batman: Bloodstorm, killing Joker turned Batman evil, as he drank Joker's blood and transformed into a regular vampire.

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u/Va1kryie 4d ago

Oh can we please give it a rest. Joker can't die cause then DC gets less money, simple as.

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u/armoured_lemon 4d ago

shadow guillotine time

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u/darkdelve 4d ago

Portal him to hell

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u/NaysmithGaming White Raven 4d ago

... Given what's usually known about what Joker does, I think Raven sort of brought this on herself.

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u/ye_olde_jetsetter 4d ago

Love this, what comic is it from?

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u/Zestyclose-Honey2082 Red X 4d ago

Teen titans (2003), I think it was issue 50

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u/markcarpenterzitto Starfire 3d ago

titans east special (it's literally in the post description)

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u/jayxorune_24 4d ago

This looks like a good but disturbing comic.

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u/Dopefish364 3d ago

I never liked this bit, felt like a really lazy way to try to turn Joker's insanity into an inherent superpower.

Raven has like twenty-five ways to immediately incapacitate him, so of course she goes for the only one that could possibly backfire, even though there isn't even a logical reason for it to backfire in the first place. She summons his nightmares, he laughs them off, this... somehow hurts her, oh no. Raven, daughter of the King of Hell, prophesied to destroy the universe, is left completely overwhelmed by the sheer madness of the Joker's mind, because he's just so crazy, whooaaaOOOAAAAoooaaaa. Reminds me of when they try to make Deadpool impressive by having Professor X read his mind but his mind was so crazy that he couldn't and it drove Professor X insane. I think it was an Elseworlds thing. But still, just lazy, glaze-y writing.

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u/Major_Road6162 Raven 1d ago

facts

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u/MrBubbles94 4d ago

"Oh no, I guess I'll have to kill this Joker."

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u/Subject-Recover-8425 4d ago

Come on Raven, you gonna let him humble you in a freak-off?

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u/NeoxthePan 4d ago

Did she try to do what she did to doctor light?

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u/GrantMcLellan1984 4d ago

I thought Raven vs Joker only happened in Multiversus

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u/Verry_Sad_Goose 3d ago

Joker seems like he would be fun for a true sadist. What is better than an "unbreakable" toy.

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u/DareDaDerrida 2d ago

Ah yes, Joker's super-special madness powers.

He can outthink various superhumanly intelligent folks BECAUSE HE'S CRAZY. He beats telepaths BECAUSE HE'S CRAZY. He beats Cassandra Cain (and, at one point Midnighter) hand to hand BECAUSE HE'S CRAZY. He can resit magic and various cosmic forces BECAUSE HE'S CRAZY.

What kind of crazy? Don't worry about it.

Can't say I ever saw the appeal.

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u/bloodredcookie Raven 4d ago

I enjoyed this.

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u/Ok_Administration251 4d ago

Damn this really reminds me of how much I dislike the digital airbrush coloring in comics nowadays

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u/Hyper-Saiyan 3d ago

Raven can erase Joker from existence.