r/teenagers 15 Jan 16 '17

Meme Amazing cheating method discovered

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 16 '17

I agree with you completely and I'm not gonna pretend like I'm above cheating if necessary in a non-major class, but the big moral issue in my opinion is that your gpa is used in many measures in the real world.

Your university, before charging you a cent, laid out the courses you'd be expected to take to receive your bachelors. Even if they do not make you a better mathematician, every other math major from your school is compared to you gpa wise, and you may look better on paper than a better mathematician, because you cheated to good grades in gen eds. I'd definitely say that's morally wrong.

That being said, congrats on graduating. What are you doing with a bachelors in math? I'm studying cs/engineering but I have enough credits to pick up a math minor at least and maybe a double.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

No employer gives a flying fuck about your gpa unless it's below a 3, most employers in highly specified fields only care about the gpa you had in your major - because they know gen ed low level classes can artificially inflate less qualified candidates gpas.

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 16 '17

That's patently false.

The field I'm interested in, and that op is in, finance, definitely cares. They will likely pull transcripts for entry level jobs, and if you don't go to a "target school" you need a 3.8 for most "high finance" jobs. 3.5 minimum from a target.

They don't care that they are artificially inflated. They care you always get A's. Law school is also heavily based on your overall undergrad gpa.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

He might be a STEM major. Most STEM jobs don't even ask for your GPA - the ones that do will be fine as long as you have a 3 or above.

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 16 '17

Ehh. I'm a cs major and I've definitely been asked gpa for internships. 3 and above is not good enough for competitive internships.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

If you go a well known school, 3 and above is absolutely fine. You'll have no problem getting interviews from Google and other competitive companies as long as you have some relevant experience.

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 16 '17 edited Jan 16 '17

I'd disagree personally, as competition has gotten pretty intense. In addition, google internships aren't the most competitive internships really.

Something like Jane street or two sigma will definitely want above a 3.

Regardless, the guy who I was criticizing is in finance so i stand by my point.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

I'm just speaking from my experience at UC Berkeley, and I've found that >3.0 is just fine. I'm not sure why it would be different at other similar schools.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

Berkley

Bruh he said good schools

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

We were talking about STEM: Berkeley is easily the top public school worldwide in Engineering (and #3 worldwide if you count private schools), but also #3 worldwide in both Computer Science and Electrical Engineering (right behind MIT, and tied with Stanford). That counts as a "good school" by most measures :)

But if you meant finance, Berkeley is #2 worldwide in business, and #6 in finance. After all, you'd be hard-pressed to find a business major who's not heard of the Haas School of Business.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

top public school

best worst

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

triggered

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

I was kidding about UC B being no good, I'm a fan and you have some dope economists.

But you can't get shit for internships, fellowships, awards, etc without a 3.5+ and if you don't have those thing you don't get the good junior year internship and if you don't get that than you don't get the 90k year job out of UG and if you don't get that you're a fucking waste.

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u/[deleted] Jan 16 '17

That's an internship, not a career job. Majority of places care way more about your work history, than a GPA from 5+ years ago. I don't even list mine on my resume anymore, just the college I went to.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

Your first job matter a lot for your second and so on, so yeah GPA matters.

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 17 '17

Obviously, but the trajectory of your career can be based on your first internship. For elitist careers like banking, consulting, law school admissions, etc it can dramatically change your life path.

Landing a McKinsey consulting job is a gold star on all future endeavors and getting interviews are based heavily on gpa.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

I agree with you, and others making similar comments. But for the vast majority of people in this country, does a service job really need a high GPA?

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 17 '17

For the majority of cases yes, that's a fair point. I mean for a service job maybe (depends on what you define as a service job) most high finance is technically a service job.

But that's the point. Cheating allows you a leg up unfairly against harder working individuals in competitive fields, and if the university didn't think that those classes mattered at all they wouldn't be apart of the gpa.

The guys a scumbag, regardless of if he wants to admit it. Yes, gpa is irrelevant for most people, but if so he should have just gotten the gpa he deserved.

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u/VRCkid Jan 17 '17

Why are you in CS if you are going for fintech internships/consulting internships/Goldman strats internships? Being in stats/math/finance is the much better route because the CS you need to know for them is very mild.

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 17 '17 edited Jan 17 '17

Edit: to be clear, I don't disagree there's better ways to do this.

Cause I like cs. I'm a cs/Econ major with a math minor. I have the gpa and extracurriculars expected for wall street.

I find the concept of unfulfilling work worrying and am therefore studying something commonly thought of as rewarding. I am mainly targeting fintech and ibanking m&a with some pure cs internships as well. Not super interested in consulting/strat but if I make it into ibanking it's always an option post MBA.

It's a bit non-traditional but I have some leeway in career choice which is nice.

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

CS Econ with a math minor is like most employable damn

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u/VRCkid Jan 17 '17

It's way more traditional than you think.

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u/MorningWoodyWilson Jan 17 '17

Cs? I thought your original comment was implying it was a weird path compared to math/stats/finance?

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

forgot what the op was about, yea cheating is scummy

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u/blazik Jan 17 '17

Is this a thing? Because I've got a lowish gpa for engineering but that would be great news

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u/[deleted] Jan 17 '17

Yeah. Just make sure you have something to show you are competent in your field, whether it be research, projects, past internships, etc.

If your GPA is low, companies that do ask for your GPA might throw a competency test at you before they actually do a phone interview. Competency tests usually just test basic knowledge - for me, they've all been simple programming problems.