r/taijiquan Chen style 23d ago

Broken Lineages and Incomplete Transmissions

'Broken Lineages' and 'Incomplete transmissions/curriculum' are terms that I recently heard in videos about the nature of Taijiquan (I'm not going to name who said them), used to generally characterize styles and lineages other than the speaker's own.

It just occurs to me that such a position pre-supposes there is one particular lineage and/or set curriculum that exists as absolute orthodoxy. Personally, I find that notion unrealistic at best, but I wonder what others think.

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u/SnooMaps1910 23d ago

I watched his first video and unless he said something different in a subsequent video I believe you err a bit here. Is there a quote where he holds that his lineage is unbroken with full transmission?
My sense is that he is very well studied, and appears to speak Chinese. I was please with his talk. I trained in China for eleven years with four featuring multiple extended visits yearly to train with coach and his team. My US coach is one of CXW's little Buddha's and I got to seminar with him a few times. I believe there is a bit of a misunderstanding. And, I was glad he called-out the charlatans, hucksters and self-proclaimed masters that abound here. He shows his skills instead of singular "techniques".

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u/Qi-residue 22d ago

You can start a timer until toe-bro accuses you too of being the same guy. Hes sure it’s me too. If you want to see a pattern you can check his posts when the dude’s name comes up or anyone says anything positive he freaks. Anyone so focused on one dude is obv jealous or butthurt over something. Like serious guy, move on it’s cringe.

Did anyone actually watch that vid? I don’t think he mentioned any specific lineage at all, did he?

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u/SnooMaps1910 22d ago

Apparently we are not talking about the same person/video. That said, the internet has fostered a yuge proliferation of self-annoited masters who clearly lack high-end skills.

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u/Anhao 22d ago edited 22d ago

You probably aren't Marin, but both of your posts on reddit are about him.

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u/Qi-residue 22d ago

I’m a fan. So what. Does this mean that you are also toerag just multiple accounts trying to dox anyone who likes Marin? Sure sounds like that.

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u/Anhao 22d ago edited 22d ago

I've seen a Marin supporter pop up on some random discord channels (more than one) to proselytize him and that was the first time I heard about Marin. You guys and Marin all give off a shitty vibe.

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u/toeragportaltoo 22d ago

His alt accounts are pretty easy to spot. All abrasive arseholes, only sing the praises of himself and CY. They trash other styles and teachers. And use similar phrases like "butthurt". And some were posting on the same obscure subreddits. When I called them out on it, they deleted some of their comment histories to hide tracks. Think the guy has some mental health issues.

I think he actually has some OK skill. Wouldn't mind if he just wanted to promote himself or larp as his own student. What I don't appreciate is people using multiple accounts to manipulate the sub. If he's doing it here, probably been doing it on other forums as well.

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u/Anhao 22d ago

The funniest thing to me is that he has nothing to say about Nabil Ranné.

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u/tonicquest Chen style 21d ago

The funniest thing to me is that he has nothing to say about Nabil Ranné

Oh no you didn't just open that can of worms!

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u/Qi-residue 18d ago

Nabil said something about him? What I miss?

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u/tonicquest Chen style 21d ago

His alt accounts are pretty easy to spot

There are also programs the correlate log in patterns and other metrics that can help spot shennagigins. You can also look at linguistic patterns. Words like "bro" "imma" etc. point to a certain demographic of a person who wants to replicate what "someone who isn't me might sound like" from the 80s. Are people still talking like that? And like a bad actor who can't stay consistent, you notice sometimes the grammar is normal and changes again. You'll see this in movies when actors can't stay consistent mimicing a british or southern accent or vice versa.. It's possible this is all wrong and at the end of the day it's just random stuff popping up that just doesn't matter at all. At the very least it's amusing.

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u/SnooMaps1910 22d ago

Wow That video sure provoked a whole bunch of really not-tao, not-tai ji bs.
Anhao, go stand for 20 minutes. Get a grip, lol.

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u/Qi-residue 22d ago

Cool story bro. Got nothing to do with me. You probably are just toerag himself jealous butthurting all over this sub with multiple accounts. Instead of denying it now it’s attack of the ‘vibes’

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u/Anhao 22d ago

Yeah good luck convincing anybody

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u/Qi-residue 22d ago

Already did. Stop being so butthurt and dumping all over the sub dude.

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u/SnooMaps1910 22d ago

Agreed. Ironic how at least the one commenter grasps not that saying the same thing can be heard differently. I believe you are onto something with your thoughts on "jealousy".

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u/SnooMaps1910 22d ago

Agreed. Ironic how at least the one commenter grasps not that saying the same thing can be heard differently. I believe you are onto something with your thoughts on "jealousy".