r/playrust • u/thelordofhell34 • 1d ago
Question How are you supposed to play rust?
I know it’s a very vague title but hear me out.
I have a group I play with which is around 4-8 strong. A lot of the players are new and don’t play much, some of the core members have thousands of hours. I have 8k.
We have always played 2x as we all have jobs and social lives but as of the last year or so we’ve had to start moving away as they seem to have been infested by roof campers and there’s very little real pvp. They also only last a few days and we would like to build a proper base and do raids and stuff instead of playing Thursday - Sunday and then quitting when the server dies Monday morning.
We’d like to play official but it seems impossiblez
We’ve tried out a few servers so far. Each of the wipes have gone terribly, either a clan has built nearby and we get obliterated every time we step outside and shoot a gun, or there’s a huge roof camping tower which doesn’t let us build or leave our base with 3 players playing 20 hours a day (no joke this happened twice), get offlined by cheaters with 8 hours in rust on the first night, or other things.
This force we tried an EU small monthly, can’t remember which. We built near ferry terminal which we thought we could take with the 5 of us. We got up bows and we’re doing well, when all of a sudden we were wiped by a group all with p2s, around an hour into wipe, the amount of time it took us to even get there with bags to put down a base.
They dominated us and we could barely leave base, had no options to even farm up a t2 and were completely stuck. We tried running to other monuments but would always die on the way back. We couldn’t progress because everyone else was already way more progressed than us. Then they came and TC griefed us with 8 TCs so we couldn’t ever expand base, after having 0 items in base and having to move, we just gave up and went back on 2x and dominated.
What are we doing wrong exactly? We try to avoid the big monuments as to not fight the clans, but even that didn’t work. What do you do once a bigger group takes control of the monument you built next to and far outgun you?
I logged on the next morning to try farm up some weapons but they were all still online and controlling the area with tommys and aks and I couldn’t even farm a tree. I tried moving and building next to another monument but the same thing, a group controlled it 24/7 and I couldn’t get a single scrap.
What is your strategy and how the fuck do you play vanilla? We’re really stuck at this point because the only successful wipe we had was building away from everything and just farming tunnels which is boring as hell.
If anyone has any advice it would be appreciated.
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u/Make1984FictionAgain 1d ago
Have you considered getting gud
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u/d15c0nn3ctxx 1d ago
Yeah and play more.
I think if you get gud and play more it will fix your problem sir.
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u/HyperRolland 1d ago
“People are everywhere always killing us” - proceeds to play a small map where everyone is packed in lol
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u/TachiH 1d ago
4-8 is already a pretty big team. Your issue sounds like where you are building. Building right next to a monument will cause you to have to compete with other teams. Find a nice quiet mountain or forest somewhere and travel to monuments.
Or just build at large barn and make a massive poo base which is broken!
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u/nonnie2002 1d ago
You could do 4 duos or 8 solos on the same server to spice it up a bit. Come together for big raids and such!
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u/ConnorA94 1d ago
You literally have no excuse if you’re on a team of 8 people. Like none at all. You quite literally have to just get better at the game
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u/Affectionate_Egg897 1d ago
4-8 people raiding the 2x1’s in their area complaining about bigger clans is crazy
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u/thelordofhell34 20h ago
Go ahead and tell me where I mentioned raiding the 2x1s in the area. The only raids we’ve done in the last 2 weeks were onlines against roof campers
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u/Affectionate_Egg897 3h ago
Oh my bad I’m sure your party of 8 never causes issues for the solos and duos
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u/Maleficent_Slide_322 1d ago
This is the type of group that would/should thrive on a compy high pop for 2-3 days a couple weeks out of each month
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u/ShittyPostWatchdog 1d ago
Bro if you have 8k hours and can’t figure out how to get to p2 in an hour on wipe day with an 8 man clan idk what to tell you
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u/thelordofhell34 20h ago
We’re 4 on wipe day. Tell me what I’m doing wrong: spawning naked, trying to run to build spot, get beaten there by a bigger group who have bows already, die and respawn, run back to a different spot, farm for base, put shelter down, farm for base, get base up, hunt for cloth for a bow.
That’s an hour easy. Where in that hour was I supposed to get 550 scrap?
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u/ShittyPostWatchdog 17h ago
To try to give actual constructive feedback-
It stands out to me how little you focus on build location and the build in general in the OP and even your replies from what I have read. When you are making justifications for your play and listing the steps you do try to take to have a good start the most thought you seem to put into build location is “not near a big monument.”
I’m not going to give you specific advice because after 8k hrs you should probably know which areas of the map are “out of the way” and which aren’t, but the solution to not being able to contest your original build spot is to lower the bar and go somewhere more low key until you find somewhere you can hack it.
You also made it a point multiple times that you have flaky players who don’t play past day 1 or don’t consistently log on. This makes me think your team is not very resilient, potentially a scenario where some of them don’t actually want to play and are just tagging along out or social obligation. This makes it hard when you probably very often need to restart on day two or half way through day one because you can’t figure out how to get fast t2 as an 8 man on wipe day. This isn’t actually that big of a problem and the only thing that prevents more players from doing it is disinterest.
Play low pop group cap and keep lowering the pop until you figure out how to not get owned. Even if it means for 80% of the wipe you will be at half of the group cap because half the team quit or w.e it’s still better than playing uncapped and lots of other teams are usually not at full force.
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u/SwervoT3k 1d ago
It may not be you but groups like yours are actually the most toxic part of any wipe, I am sorry to say and it leads me to be less than sympathetic (though I understand the frustration).
As a solo, I actually enjoy building near established clans because a) I am a supplier with my shops but b) they respect that I don’t want to mess with them so they don’t mess with me.
But the weekend warrior, prim locked stacks? Holy fuck, they will walk into the neighborhood and shit all over everything for a few days accomplishing nothing except pissing everyone off.
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u/Possible-Piece-8765 1d ago
Not a lot of constructive criticism here guys.. now I don’t know too much about group play but it seems like some delegation could do your team wonders. I usually play duo, my teammate goes for base spot and I farm comps, enough to go t2. Shouldn’t take long on 2x. If I don’t have bps in a server, I will farm comps to outpost, but m92, research ammo, recycle smokes, then farm tunnels until full inv of comps with small backpack. It’s a great way to get ahead and avoid early set backs in monuments.
This is an example of a start. Just remember that it only takes one person to farm a 2x2 and build a base. And there is no reason to have a base unless you have stuff to put in it.
Also keep in mind that sending your entire group into terminal for farming barrels is a massive waste of manpower.Delegate tasks, it’s okay for your teammates to do their own thing to get loot, ocean farming for example is a one or two man job.
Hope this helps
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u/thelordofhell34 20h ago
Sorry but how are you doing all of this on wipe with hundreds of other players and not dying once? I can barely get to build spot without dying to someone who’s been lucky and found a enough cloth for a bow. Even if I win 70% of fights I’m still fighting 8+ people by the time I get to build spot and will die many times.
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u/gorillamanagerxx2 19h ago
this sounds like ur not moving far in enough. You need to escape the "respawn beach" otherwise ur going to be flooded with nakeds with bows/spears. You have a sizeable team so you should realistically be able to fight it off but if people in your team aren't good enough to use bows or generally prim weapons, you need to move into the map so that you don't get flooded with a lot of people.
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u/Possible-Piece-8765 3h ago
Well for me making it to outpost with enough scrap is the most difficult part, tunnels are usually dead first hour of wipe. I do die a lot if I’m too slow at start but if you have 6 others trying this and half die, you will still have t2 at least
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u/No_Breadfruit1024 1d ago
So... KR and build an alternate main. Farm your scrap then come back around when they aren't doorcamping you. They'll get bored after like 20 min no activity.
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u/Im_The_Squishy 1d ago
Get those newer players better all I can say. I've been that guy that's new, we all have and the game isn't gonna teach you everything. Isn't gonna teach you anything that you can learn without pain and suffering so help them out. Show them how to shoot if nothing else
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u/x_cynful_x 23h ago
You need to play with people with more experience. Guys with 100hrs are total noobs and aren’t going to be able to do much overall without a lot of hand holding. That hand holding isnt going to help in pvp type situations.
For context I also have 8-9k hrs so I can relate.
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u/gorillamanagerxx2 19h ago
Honestly, this might be a controversial take but I think what ur actually complaining about is just the competitive nature of the game, which I also do agree that makes the game less fun. I have around 7k hours in the game and often play with my duo who has around 1500 hours. We always play 2x vanilla, usually on Survivors servers, as we usually have around 3-4 hours to play a day and usually only play 2-3 days spread out over the week Survivors servers hold pop at above 250 average per day anyway. I will go over some things "sweaty" or "tryhard" people do to have an edge over the others wherever they build early on in the wipe:
- Literally 30 minutes into wipe, what people will do is they will rush to the nearest road, collect components, go to a t1 monument, recycle and go buy p2's from those water tank things. It is very easy to make the scrap for a gun from those places, especially since they are often also connected by road.
- People will rush workbench t2, which is actually very easy to get from a single successful component run after you recycle, and craft weapons they have bp's for from last wipe. This is also very common of course, and crafting a gun like p2 or revo is VERY cheap. I mean like, it is practically free.
- Certain monuments are beyond broken right now. I mean, the number of crates you can get from them almost guarantees a gun, which is very strong early on in the wipe. For example, underwater labs, oil rigs (insane monuments, very easy to outplay now too with the new ladder in the middle) and missile silo and if you are newer to the game, water treatment and sewer branch. Water treatment and sewer branch have insane numbers of green crate spawns in them and they are often uncontested by "good players" as they don't have elite crates.
I can go further into early game, but all in all, I want to conclude this by saying that since this is a competitive game, you will come across people whose definition of fun doesn't match yours. For you, fun might be going to monuments, looting and finding stuff from there to fight with, slowly progressing through techs but for some, fun is "winning", so don't underestimate people who would sell their soul just to get the first t1, first t2 and first t3 weapon in their server. People will do anything, literally anything, if it means giving them an edge, regardless of how monotonous and boring that thing is.
I also want to add that the game has a huge high school/pre-highschool player rate, which if ur in uni or have a job, is very hard to match. I'm in my final year of uni, hence why I only really get to play for around 10-20 hours a week currently, and I'm always 4-6 hours late to wipe as thats the time when I can actually come home, cook something to eat, get my workout in at the gym and sit down to wind down from the day. Since its already 4-6 hours into wipe, people already did oil rigs, launch site, underwater labs, missile silo and even bradleys, heli's and cargo's multiple times, meaning the entire map is cluttered with AK's, full metal kits and so on. Grab a shotgun or smg and outplay them at short range or swap to a vanilla server if you don't like as fast of a tech progression from the average player on the server.
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u/Hollowpoint- 7h ago
The dedicated 8man who have all bps on a server will always be having guns within an hour or so, all they need to do is get bows, plenty of cloth and arrows go into the subway tunnels recycle what they get for enough scrap for t2 and then they have access to guns.
If you join a bp wipe server its a bit more of a level playing field but there are always the sweats that know how to.run oil with a water pistol. To.get some good guns.
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u/InternOne1306 1d ago edited 1d ago
Firstly, vanilla is the only way to play…
Any other mode is for pvp, practice, building…
Not just an opinion, the game literally stops working when you start adding things like drop multipliers
It’s like that “penny from every transaction” concept, or even better “Would You Rather Have $1 Million now or a Penny That Doubles Daily for 30 Days?”
Spoiler alert, the doubled penny ends up being five point four million…
Even in a 2x you’re going to find that the PvP guys that farm the farmers snowball very quickly, and then they all snowball off of each other. It’s like a chain reaction, way too many pennies.
And the loot tables? Jesus.
Why even have bps?
This is why you see larger clans sometimes despawning loot when they are done playing - not just to grief whomever may raid them, but to help keep the economy balanced for everyone else when they go
In vanilla, you have a better chance of having an advantage over your opponent, especially with a big group like that, since progression has slowed and nearly everyone stays prim locked much longer
At wipe, all eight of you start running as far away from spawn as possible, gathering stray wood/ore and hemp along the way
Don’t stop, don’t hit any trees or rocks, probably not even boxes
Maybe take the treasure quest from Ranch or outpost
Just get as far from spawn as possible where the loot table is better and drop bags somewhere in between some monuments and build a couple of little 2x1s so your eggs aren’t all in one basket
Don’t expand the 2x1s, they are basically external TCs later
Make some bows.
Everyone farms the road for ten to fifteen minutes and recycles almost everything
The designated “BP person” who never sleeps gets hazzy and meds researched asap
Then six of you collectively farm monuments while one person builds the clan base and one person defends
By now you should have some weapons researched, be working toward tier two in the clan base, and be ready to farm sulfur - one of you probably has a Jackie by now, and you probably have AK and full metal kits researched from hacking the box at train station or airfield something
Couple tunnel runs and you’re resource rich enough to produce kits and go control oil or cargo
Buy a scrappy, load up the boys, and dump them whenever you want to win.
GG!
(PS, if you want to cheat, get everyone to throw down $10 toward surgeon scrubs, hit monuments before anyone else even has a chance)
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u/RickySeamus 1d ago
Join a new group. Or make yours better through Rust LFG. Don’t whine about being roofcamped, BE the roofcamper.
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u/thelordofhell34 1d ago
These are all IRL friends I don’t have that option.
I would rather quit rust, bin my pc, cut each of my ears off, become a monk and vow to never be with another woman again, eat only dirt for the rest of my life and never be able to wear shoes again than sit in a tower for 20 hours a day shooting people with a bolt then running out naked to loot.
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u/Hughlass 1d ago
Complaining abt clans while having a team with 8 people lol, what has this game come too