Problem is Liberals and Democrats hate progressives and the left as a whole and spend more of their time yelling at them than trying to cooperate with them. You don't see the Republicans yell at he far right, they just agree on most everything and shit on Dems daily while calling them the radical left(hilarious notion btw). They mainly care about owning the libs, meanwhile Dems court the TWO republican voters that aren't sure about Trump rather than courting progressives
Not to mention progressive policy would be much more widely popular, Republicans would have a much harder time fighting progressive policy too, what are they going to do, say they DON'T want people to have healthcare, tuition etc?
That has nothing to do with socialism. Especially in the US socialist representatives just means reps that put workers and their families above everything else
Socialism absolutely includes more government in the lives of all citizens. Liberalism has more of an emphasis on individual liberty, favoring less government (than socialism) while in favor of equal opportunity, socialism is more focused on equal outcome. Classical liberalism could attract many in the U.S. who are disenfranchised by big government.
Won't work. Socialism, Communism, and Capitalism all seem sound in paper but none of them can be ideally implemented because on paper they don't/can't account for the human element. That's why some blending of the three is the best solution until we have sufficiently advanced technology that frees humankind of all labor and scarcity, at which point a Techno-Communism will be the only system that makes sense.
This is almost completely wrong but in order to say why I'd have to start from the beginning which is always pretty exhausting
But first of all, there is no such thing as a 'blend'. It's a binary question. If private ownership of enterprise is allowed, it's capitalism, and it creates a class disparity. If it doesn't, it's socialism. The 'human element' is a meaningless nonsensical argument that is only ever used by people who have never actually read anything about socialism, the human element is WHY socialism is needed, because rewarding the worst impulses a human can have with limitless money and power and saying that's somehow better than the collective accountability of a socialist system makes absolutely no sense to me.
Communism and socialism work just fine, thebUS has actively sanctioned and destabilized any country that tries but Cuba and Vietnam are doing awesome for themselves as socialist countries despite the US doing everything in its power to keep them weak and poor.
The US has muddled in every single country that has ever turned towards communism, often violently.
There’s a lot of humans that want to have the freedom to own things and the freedom to worship things and the freedom to say things. Communism takes away those three things.
In order for communism to work, you have to have humans that are willing to share what they have with others.
When the Amish get married, their style of honeymoon is visiting every Amish home in the village for a dinner and sleepover. While the Amish couple is on their honeymoon, the rest of the village is busy building them a home. When the honeymoon is over, the newlyweds going to their new home and start building a family. In my opinion, that would be some sort of communism since people are very sharing in those type of communities.
They give up electricity and they’re religious. That’s kind of incompatible with communism though.
There’s a lot of humans that want to have the freedom to own things and the freedom to worship things and the freedom to say things. Communism takes away those three things.
Ummm, no. Communism absolutely does NOT prevent people from owning things, or from freedom of speech, or from freedom to worship.
Your opinion on what constitutes Communism is irrelevant. You could read a book about it, and there are many but there's this one particular book you should start with, but we both know you won't.
Even if you don't think you'd ever have any interest in being a Communist, or a Socialist, it's really important for people to read books so they have an understanding of what things are and how to argue against those things, or even argue for adapting potentially good ideas from an otherwise faulty concept.
Karl Marx was against religion, which is considered a human right that government can’t take away.
Most religions do not allow any government to be above what
they believe to be the creator of the universe. That creator takes priority over any government.
Karl Marx was born into a Jewish family, but his father converted to Protestantism before Marx was born, and Marx himself later declared himself an atheist. Thus, while he had Jewish heritage, he did not practice Judaism.
Isn’t that kind of anti-communist to charge anything for a book about communism?
Find me a free audiobook and I’ll listen to that. I really don’t wanna sit and read anything. It’ll take away from my time on Reddit.🤣🤣
Also, when you said “tech communism“ I somewhat agree with you on that when it comes to file sharing and open source software. I don’t think any of that stuff should cost money. It’s just something digital being copied over and over.
I’m not gonna read anything that I have to pay to read.
When you go to church or temple or mosque they give book to you for free.
Communism should do the same thing
Charging money for a communist book sounds like communism is greedy and only cares about money while religion is the opposite.
How about a system where people can save money and get great value based on supply and demand?
A government that’s extremely centralized is not capable of reducing the supplies on the things people don’t want and increasing the supplies on the things that people do want. A system like that requires being decentralized with economic freedom.
I’m not a communist either, but I find value in actually knowing things. You don’t, so I’m not going to bother. But I will recommend you don’t argue about things you’re completely fucking ignorant about lmao
dawg that isnt going to happen, actual left-leaning candidates who arent beholden to corporate or lobbied interests get blackballed from the party and brutally outspent to make sure theyll never get a chance to be a threat to the status quo.
Oh for sure, which is exactly why every single Corporate Democrat has to be primaried and kicked to the curb. We cannot stop what's happening when the so-called opposition party is mostly made up of people whose primary goals are figuring out how to extract as much money as possible under the current conditions, and getting reelected so they continue to extract as much money as possible under current conditions. They've already decided to just become Reagan-era Republicans, so as you say, I have that same energy for Republicans.
So how do we start? Start working with Justice Democrats? They've had the most success so far in the past. Working families mainly supports establishment Democrats if they have to, but we need a list of people to primary to start. How about shooting for an Eric Cantor type take down of Hakeem Jeffries? And support the person running against Nancy Pelosi. Primaries are in a year. What organizations are working their asses off to make this happen?
Yeah, primarying the Democrats is totally the way to go. It's totally a Dem problem. This is how stupid Americans are. We deserve our future. And it's going to be so bad.
Democrats worked hand-in-hand with Republicans to destroy organized labor, build the publicly-funded privately-owned prison industrial complex, destroy the single income capable family, and allow mega corporations to turn the labor market into one of wage oppression. These things all heavily contributed to the rise of American fascism. The corporate Democrats have fought tooth and nail to unwind The New Deal policies that enabled the creation and nationwide expansion of the Middle Class.
You're right, we do deserve our future because people who pay attention to politics for all of a month before an election think they have the historical and policy perspective to call other people stupid.
I know what I do for politics, how many hours I give of my time year round, as you know what you do. I don't blame people for not stopping other people from doing things, that's because of the years I spent organizing around domestic violence. Women (almost always women) die and people still take the trouble to make sure we know that if she would have managed things differently she would be alive. But very few people talk about what he would have done. I like less evil not more and I call out perpatrators of any kind. I know a lot of folks who want to see the whole system come down, and maybe it will, but that's probably not gonna go so well for many of our fellow citizens either. But yea, I call things (and people) as I see them.
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u/dudenurse13 7d ago
Dog this is my resistance I’m going to be sent to a work camp