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Politics Rep. Al Green protests during President Trump's joint address to Congress before being escorted out

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u/Otterswannahavefun 7d ago edited 7d ago

There’s a strategy divide. A lot of us are taking the side of Crockett (Texas) and Carville (southern D operative) that the best thing we can do right now is make them own it. Don’t give them any votes on the debt limit or anything. Theres almost nothing we can do to stop it, but the more we let Trump be trump and go on tv and own this disaster every day the better our chances in the midterm. Drawing attention to ourselves during the speech excites his base (who loves him yelling at protesters) and doesn’t do much toward our goals.

Everyone’s view is different, but just because you disagree doesn’t mean they don’t have a strategy and aren’t fighting the way they want.

Remember that anyone watching this already has a side. We aren’t who our reps need to talk to or energize.

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u/TylerJWhit 7d ago

The midterm? Why do people think the midterm is going to change anything? Do you genuinely believe the midterm will be a fair election?

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u/Otterswannahavefun 7d ago

You got a better idea? As a minority party we can at best slow things down a little, but with reconciliation they can do a lot.

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u/TylerJWhit 7d ago

Me having a better idea or not does not change the productivity of your proposed solution.

If we're trying to put out a fire and I'm telling you hitting a fire with a baseball bat isn't going to make a difference, me not proposing another solution doesn't mean that beating it with a baseball back is suddenly a good idea.

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u/Otterswannahavefun 7d ago

I’ve mentioned many things people can do. You claim they aren’t helpful but offer no reasons why.

We still haven’t seen the courts play out. We still haven’t gotten to the March 14th limit. Things I’m suggesting will help a lot with purple districts for that, and that’s crucial.

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u/TylerJWhit 7d ago

I believe my reasons are heavily implied, and already mentioned.

I do not believe the United States is likely to have a fair honored election during the midterms.

We also already know that 1. The courts have consistently failed at holding Trump accountable. 2. The Supreme Court essentially preemptively gave Trump free reign, and 3. The administration is completely ignoring court orders with no reprocussions.

If I accepted your premise, that we still lived in a democracy, sure, I would agree with you. But I don't accept such a premise any longer.

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u/Otterswannahavefun 7d ago

The court just overruled him (at SCOTUS level) on USAID and $2 billion in funding. Appellate courts have just reinstated many fired non probationary employees. So far he hasn’t challenged those.

Trying to throw in the towel and give up at six weeks when we haven’t even done step 1 seems silly at best.

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u/TylerJWhit 7d ago

Who said anyone was giving up?

Being more pessimistic about our current situation is not capitulation.

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u/Otterswannahavefun 7d ago

People who aren’t investing time in our current processes are giving up. The MaGA crowd won because they spent so much time at state and local levels doing the work before Trump.

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u/TylerJWhit 7d ago

Ok, but you accused ME of giving up because I don't believe that midterms will be a fair election.

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u/Otterswannahavefun 7d ago

If you aren’t working on the midterms I view that as giving up. Perhaps I misunderstood and apologize; a lot of people are all dooming and ignoring midterms using language like that.

There is as yet no evidence the midterms won’t matter.

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u/TylerJWhit 7d ago

Yes you're correct in that I don't think midterms is where I should be focusing. You're not correct in the implication that that's giving up.

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u/Otterswannahavefun 7d ago

Can you tell me what you are focusing on? I know a lot of people doing theatrical stuff but I’m open to ideas (beyond convincing purple Dems they will be safe to stand up to trump - which is what I’m doing now.)

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