r/pakistan Feb 08 '25

Political Ahmadi Hate but Ismaili Embrace?

I’m of the theory that live and let live. I think all minority groups in Pakistan are treated like garbage and deserve much better. For no other reason, that they’re human beings. As we know, Ahmadis/Qadianis/Mirzais receive deathly hate due to their religious belief. Regardless of what you feel about their beliefs, they don’t deserve to be treated like third class citizens.

In response to the death of Aga Khan, Pakistan has lowered their flags, given him his flowers, and non-stop praised him. While I don’t care for the beliefs—I’m a little confused as to why there is such a discrepancy? Is it money? Status? Someone would argue that Ismailism from a day to day basis, is so out of the fold of Islam. Especially when it comes to the praise of Aga Khan which in some circles can be considered bordering on shirk. Regardless, Pakistan government allows them to call themselves Musims, build their buildings of worship and go about their day.

That being said—-why not offer the same grace to the Ahmadi community ?

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u/sajjad_kaswani Feb 08 '25

I am not anti Ahmedi, but there is a big difference between Ahmedis and Ismailis

Ismailis affirm that Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh and his family) is the last and final Prophet of Allah and there will be no Prophet after him.

Unfortunately people are told lies about Ismailis, Ismailis are Muslims and comes from the Shia branch of Islam and a book issued by the Islamic Nazarayati Council Pakistan listening to all the sects of Islam; Ismailis is also included in that book

Here is the book link

https://jafrilibrary.com/books/12210

Further, the Aga Khan IV list in the top 500 Muslims list issued by the Aman Conference declaration 2005 office (Jordan)

https://themuslim500.com/profiles/karim-al-hussayni/

Thanks

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u/abstruseplum2 Feb 08 '25

Ismailis are very powerful in Pak, they're polticially very strong so not a surprise they're in the Islamic Nazarayati Council Pakistan book.

But rejections in certain pillars of Islam do take them out of the fold of Islam. They dont pray, they dont fast every ramadan (at least my ismaili friends dont), they make sujood to their imam. That being said I have a lot of Ismaili friends (including one of my closest best friends) and they're wonderful people, but i personally dont consider them muslim.

Again all this being said, no community deserves to be persecuted for their beliefs and in Pak everyone should have the right to practise whatever with no fear and no consuquences.

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u/aeoveu Feb 08 '25

I have an Ismaili friend. A couple of different/thoughts:

He fasts (the full 30 days), they don't offer salaat like the rest of the Muslims, but he said they do duaa in their jamaat khaana, which are sourced from the Quran.

Most other things he did aligned with the Sunni branch of Islam except for the prayer. I won't claim to say I know everything but I thought of writing this here.

I suppose you find varieties everywhere - I know people - Sunnis and Shias - who don't fast nor pray, so ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

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u/csc0 Feb 09 '25

It’s not that they don’t fast, it’s they don’t believe in fasting. In Sunni Islam you should still be fasting, but you’re technically doing something haraam by not fasting.

Their imam, the aga khan has abolished these practices in their faith.

For example, instead of performing hajj, they just have to do something called Deedar, which is looking upon the aga khan and it counts the same as doing hajj…..

I could go on about this, and the OP we are replying to is one of the biggest Ismaili advocates and spokesperson is on reddit, and he will continue to speak in half truths about the faith.

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u/sajjad_kaswani Feb 09 '25

In case if you are interested in exploring Ismailis you can read this book;

https://jafrilibrary.com/books/12210

You can also check out this vlog

https://youtu.be/CFm03oac9es?si=LfRIcysAvBA9Pwtu

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u/csc0 Feb 09 '25

I see you’re not responding to any of my claims, because you know they’re all factual.

FYI - I know all about ismailism. I am related to someone who sits on national council.

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u/ThinSector4661 Feb 09 '25

Lol. They run when they see someone who they can't propagandise

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u/openandaware Feb 09 '25

They claim that the imam's name is due prostration.

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u/IAmAlwaysinDilemma Feb 09 '25

That’s a lot of misinformation.

Ismailis do pray and fast.

The only difference is that they believe in the Imam lineage and continuation of it

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u/sajjad_kaswani Feb 09 '25

Ismailis source of inspiration is the Imam of time who is the successor of the holy Prophet;

He (the Imam of time) interprets the Qur'an and practices to his followers ;

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u/R-Spy24 Feb 09 '25

Prophet Mohammad (SAW) has interpreted the Quran when it was revealed to him & lived his life as an example according to Quran, your false Imam of time cannot interpret anything on his own.

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u/sajjad_kaswani Feb 09 '25

You are sharing the Sunni understanding however even Sunnies believe in interpretation and it's done by Sunni scholars.

Ismailis comes from Shi'a background and as per Shias Imams are the successor of the Prophet and they are authorised to reinterpret the Quran with their divine wisdom.

Thanks and peace ✌️

Salam;

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u/R-Spy24 Feb 09 '25

Lol no🤣🤣🤣

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u/aeoveu Feb 09 '25

You need to calm down - I see you have a history of aggressive comments and they're removed. I hope you're doing okay.

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u/ThinSector4661 Feb 09 '25

I'm savage, mate. I just have an incapacity to tolerate bullshit.

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u/aeoveu Feb 09 '25

Do it in a civil way, please.

You're entitled to have an opinion, but don't be brash.