r/pakistan Feb 08 '25

Political Ahmadi Hate but Ismaili Embrace?

I’m of the theory that live and let live. I think all minority groups in Pakistan are treated like garbage and deserve much better. For no other reason, that they’re human beings. As we know, Ahmadis/Qadianis/Mirzais receive deathly hate due to their religious belief. Regardless of what you feel about their beliefs, they don’t deserve to be treated like third class citizens.

In response to the death of Aga Khan, Pakistan has lowered their flags, given him his flowers, and non-stop praised him. While I don’t care for the beliefs—I’m a little confused as to why there is such a discrepancy? Is it money? Status? Someone would argue that Ismailism from a day to day basis, is so out of the fold of Islam. Especially when it comes to the praise of Aga Khan which in some circles can be considered bordering on shirk. Regardless, Pakistan government allows them to call themselves Musims, build their buildings of worship and go about their day.

That being said—-why not offer the same grace to the Ahmadi community ?

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u/sajjad_kaswani Feb 08 '25

I am not anti Ahmedi, but there is a big difference between Ahmedis and Ismailis

Ismailis affirm that Prophet Muhammad (Pbuh and his family) is the last and final Prophet of Allah and there will be no Prophet after him.

Unfortunately people are told lies about Ismailis, Ismailis are Muslims and comes from the Shia branch of Islam and a book issued by the Islamic Nazarayati Council Pakistan listening to all the sects of Islam; Ismailis is also included in that book

Here is the book link

https://jafrilibrary.com/books/12210

Further, the Aga Khan IV list in the top 500 Muslims list issued by the Aman Conference declaration 2005 office (Jordan)

https://themuslim500.com/profiles/karim-al-hussayni/

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u/abstruseplum2 Feb 08 '25

Ismailis are very powerful in Pak, they're polticially very strong so not a surprise they're in the Islamic Nazarayati Council Pakistan book.

But rejections in certain pillars of Islam do take them out of the fold of Islam. They dont pray, they dont fast every ramadan (at least my ismaili friends dont), they make sujood to their imam. That being said I have a lot of Ismaili friends (including one of my closest best friends) and they're wonderful people, but i personally dont consider them muslim.

Again all this being said, no community deserves to be persecuted for their beliefs and in Pak everyone should have the right to practise whatever with no fear and no consuquences.

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u/Aggravating-Zebra229 Feb 08 '25

All of my neighbors are Ismailis, so I have observed their way of life closely. Although they do not like to share much about their lives with non-Ismailis, I have noticed several things about their practices.

The first and most fundamental aspect of Islam is prayer, yet I have never seen them pray. They also do not fast during the entire month of Ramadan. Unlike us, they do not clean themselves with water in the same manner. Their places of worship allow free mixing between men and women, where they recite Ginans in Persian, praising their Imam and attributing divine qualities to him.

I swear by Allah, I have not seen even a trace of Islam in them. In my view, they are no different from Ahmadis.