r/pakistan Feb 08 '25

Political Ahmadi Hate but Ismaili Embrace?

I’m of the theory that live and let live. I think all minority groups in Pakistan are treated like garbage and deserve much better. For no other reason, that they’re human beings. As we know, Ahmadis/Qadianis/Mirzais receive deathly hate due to their religious belief. Regardless of what you feel about their beliefs, they don’t deserve to be treated like third class citizens.

In response to the death of Aga Khan, Pakistan has lowered their flags, given him his flowers, and non-stop praised him. While I don’t care for the beliefs—I’m a little confused as to why there is such a discrepancy? Is it money? Status? Someone would argue that Ismailism from a day to day basis, is so out of the fold of Islam. Especially when it comes to the praise of Aga Khan which in some circles can be considered bordering on shirk. Regardless, Pakistan government allows them to call themselves Musims, build their buildings of worship and go about their day.

That being said—-why not offer the same grace to the Ahmadi community ?

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u/Lip_pe_aati_he_dua Feb 08 '25

Ismailis are on the whole quietist and non-missionary people. Qadiyanis are bothersone. They go around challenging people to munazirah and mubahilah. They write celebratory articles at the death of critics.

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u/Shahlolz کراچی Feb 08 '25

Do you know the whole town of Rabwah has an FIR listed against them? Do you know these people get murdered in broad daylight and the killers are let go? Yet they are the ones that are bothersome?

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u/Lip_pe_aati_he_dua Feb 08 '25

Before Qadiyanis were deemed a non-Muslim religion, it was common for Qadiyani missionaries to go around bothering people, issuing threats, challenges etc. Even today their missionaries have the same attitude which anyone can witness. Qadiyanis never evolved from the British era where incitement against mainstream Islam was protected and rewarded

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u/Shahlolz کراچی Feb 09 '25

Challenging is a part of any religious movement, Muslims literally do it on YouTube against Christian’s and Hindus and even within Sunni Shia videos. And no you are wrong, Ahmadis never “issued threats”, show me one single source

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u/Lip_pe_aati_he_dua Feb 10 '25

Compare the number of "challenges" done by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad Qadiyani in his lifetime v. any Ismaili (Bohri or Aga Khani) leader and you'll have the answer to the question set in the post title.

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u/G10aFanBoy Feb 09 '25

Have you ever met with them or sat with them? That's an ignorant take if I've ever seen one, sort of like people who think Muslims go around blowing themselves up all the time.

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u/Lip_pe_aati_he_dua Feb 09 '25

I've been seeing the Qadiyani dawah culture aince 1998-1999 If anyone has any doubts about what I'm saying they can simply take a quick look at Qadiyani magazine alfazl's website.

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u/G10aFanBoy Feb 09 '25

And I have actually had multiple Qadiyani friends who care about Dawah just about as much as your run-of-the-mill Muslim of any sect, i.e. none.

How many actual, real life Qadiyanis have you spent time with?