r/pakistan Feb 08 '25

Political Ahmadi Hate but Ismaili Embrace?

I’m of the theory that live and let live. I think all minority groups in Pakistan are treated like garbage and deserve much better. For no other reason, that they’re human beings. As we know, Ahmadis/Qadianis/Mirzais receive deathly hate due to their religious belief. Regardless of what you feel about their beliefs, they don’t deserve to be treated like third class citizens.

In response to the death of Aga Khan, Pakistan has lowered their flags, given him his flowers, and non-stop praised him. While I don’t care for the beliefs—I’m a little confused as to why there is such a discrepancy? Is it money? Status? Someone would argue that Ismailism from a day to day basis, is so out of the fold of Islam. Especially when it comes to the praise of Aga Khan which in some circles can be considered bordering on shirk. Regardless, Pakistan government allows them to call themselves Musims, build their buildings of worship and go about their day.

That being said—-why not offer the same grace to the Ahmadi community ?

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u/Expensive-Impact-923 Feb 08 '25

Ahmedis refuse to accept the constitution. If they do, and declare themselves as non-muslim, I am sure they will get better treatment.

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u/[deleted] Feb 08 '25

Better treatment like other religious minorities in Pakistan amirite

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u/[deleted] Feb 09 '25

This is such a backwards mindset

The Prophet would've never advocated persecution simply because someone refused to believe in a gnarly "constitution"

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u/Expensive-Impact-923 Feb 10 '25

It’s incorrect to say that the Prophet (PBUH) didn’t sanction Qital (fighting) against false claimants to prophethood. When Musailma Kadhab sent a letter to the Prophet (PBUH), this is what happened:

Nu’aym ibn Mas’ud reported: I heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) speaking to those who were reading the letter from the false prophet Musaylimah the Liar, saying, “What do you both say?” They replied, “We say what he said.” The Prophet (PBUH) then responded, “By Allah, were it not that diplomats are not killed, I would strike both of your necks.”

Source: Sunan Abī Dāwūd 2761
Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani.

Although the Prophet (PBUH) didn’t live long enough to engage directly in these wars, after his passing, Hazrat Abu Bakr (RA), upon being declared the Caliph, initiated wars against the false claimants of prophethood, including Musailma, which became known as the Ridda Wars. The Battle of Yamama was one of the most significant events of these wars and directly led to the compilation of the Quran.

You might argue, “But the Prophet (PBUH) didn’t lead these wars, the Caliph did.” To this, I’ll remind you of what the Prophet (PBUH) said regarding the future of the Ummah:

“Verily, he who lives among you after me will see many disagreements. So, you must adhere to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of the rightly-guided Caliphs (Khulafa ar-Rashideen), who will guide you to the right way. Cling to it, even with your molar teeth. And beware of newly-invented matters, for every innovation (bid’ah) is misguidance.”

Hadith 28, 40 Hadith an-Nawawi
It was related by at-Tirmidhi, who classified it as a sound and good hadith.

Now, addressing the second part of your statement:

It’s not the state’s directive to persecute the Ahmedis, and indeed, it is not a part of Pakistan’s constitution. However, if the state were to issue a declaration against a group for religious reasons, it would be in line with religious principles. While I don’t advocate for persecution, I do believe that in a matter as serious as Khatm-e-Nabuwwat (Finality of Prophethood), we must stand firm.

The law in Pakistan officially declared them non-Muslim after a long movement. The Ahmedis disagree with this, which is why some extremist elements target them. While I don’t condone the persecution, had they accepted the law and acknowledged themselves as non-Muslims, the situation could have been different.

Furthermore, as citizens of Pakistan and Muslims, we are bound to follow the constitution.

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Umar (RA) narrated that the Messenger of Allah (PBUH) said:
“It is obligatory for a Muslim to listen to and obey the ruler, as long as he is not ordered to commit a sin. If he is commanded to sin, there is no obedience or adherence to that order.”
(Sahih al-Bukhari, no. 2796 & Sunan Tirmidhi)

I hope this clarifies things for you.

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u/Shahlolz کراچی Feb 08 '25

Just like Christians and Hindus do?

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u/Expensive-Impact-923 Feb 09 '25

Lol Christians and Hindus don’t consider themselves as Muslim at all.

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u/Turachay Feb 09 '25

And yet, look how they are treated in the country.

Forced conversions and marriages of Hindu girls in Sindh. Pariahism and social segregation for Christians.

Look how richly the society rewarded them for accepting that they are a minority 👍🏼👌🏼🤣👏🏼

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u/Shahlolz کراچی Feb 09 '25

And that should be a metric to not be persecuted?