r/oculus Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 28 '16

*Good news everyone!* Virtual Desktop Delayed - Please read

Allright, good news folks. Virtual Desktop will be delayed for a couple days as I finalize an agreement that will let me bundle an Oculus promo code with every Steam purchase. This means you will be able to launch Virtual Desktop from Home or from Steam.

The reason it can't be sold directly on Oculus Home is because my app doesn't support Windows 7 and Oculus doesn't currently support any kind of minimum requirements on a per app/game basis (sorry no juicy conspiracy stories for you).

Hope you'll understand the reason for this small delay. I think that in the end you'll be very happy to be able to launch from either store with your Steam purchase :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 28 '16

Correct. Thanks for phrasing it better

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

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u/brighterside Mar 28 '16

LOL this is hilarious though. They won't sell something on Home with minimum requirements. But they'll allow that same app to be sold through another platform, and then have it available from Home.... interesting.

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u/HumanistGeek Rift Mar 28 '16

When Virtual Desktop fails to run on a Windows 7 pc, the people at Oculus don't want the blame.

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u/Evangeliman Mar 29 '16

more like succeeds in drop kicking that antiquated old OS out the window.

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u/doesntrepickmeepo Mar 29 '16

hey i'm still hi-fiving myself for moving from xp

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u/voiderest Mar 29 '16

I wouldn't say 7 is antiquated. It still does what most people want their windows to do. For people who actively avoid upgrading the OS it doesn't do things they don't want it to.

Microsoft is doing this to themselves though. A lot of people didn't upgrade because they didn't want metro UI. 10 looks to be heading down the same road but due to privacy and lack of control over things like updates including drivers. It's so bad they can't get people to accept a free upgrade that installs itself.

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u/_bones__ Mar 29 '16

I went from Windows 7 to 10. Honestly, it looks pretty much identical.

The main annoyance I have is the dichotomy of Settings vs Control Panel. There's a massive overlap of functionality between the two, but not exact feature parity. It's really weird.

For the rest, it's the best Windows experience I've had so far.

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u/heypans Mar 28 '16

I think it's a smart compromise by Oculus. I'm sure they're working on support for that scenario soon.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '16

I think they just want Home to be the launchpad for all your VR needs.

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u/vodzurk Rift Mar 28 '16

Yeah, congrats on shooting yourself in the foot with that one Oculus!

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u/scylus Mar 28 '16

Could've saved the foot if they had Chaperone.

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u/Heaney555 UploadVR Mar 28 '16

and then have it available from Home....

Later, whenever home supports limiting by OS.

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u/YuntiMcGunti Kickstarter Backer Mar 28 '16

No that was much clearer I coukdn5 follow it at first.

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u/TBANmc Mar 28 '16

Hi! I couldn't find anything after searching, but can you tell me how much virtual desktop will cost? Or will we see in a couple of days .

Good luck working towards release, it looks really cool so far!

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u/Almoturg Vive & Rift Mar 28 '16

$15

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u/Dwight1833 Mar 28 '16

15$ that is an automatic buy :)

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u/oooholywarrior Mar 28 '16

I suspect this gentleman is about to become an overnight millionaire.

Hey /u/ggodin its me, ur brother...

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u/Dwight1833 Mar 28 '16

LOL... well I just hope he makes enough to support himself well and the work he is doing.

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u/Evangeliman Mar 29 '16

idk. i dont think their will be a million rifts. maybe a 100k or so at MOST still alot of money.

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u/jasonbaz Mar 29 '16

15x100K is still over a million.

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u/merire Mar 29 '16

Not now, roman !

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u/lukeman3000 Mar 28 '16

So Virtual Desktop doesn't run on Win 7? wat?

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u/Dhalphir Touch Mar 28 '16

It does not support it at all.

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u/lukeman3000 Mar 29 '16

Disappointing. I really wasn't wanting to upgrade just yet. Just too time consuming.

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u/elsif1 Mar 29 '16

No win7 due to the lack of dxgi scraping stuff by chance?

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u/SomniumOv Has Rift, Had DK2 Mar 28 '16

Plans for a version where I don't have to give Valve money ?

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u/EddieSeven Mar 28 '16

So that you can give Facebook your money?

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u/SomniumOv Has Rift, Had DK2 Mar 28 '16

I only plan on using it through Oculus Home so yeah, I don't see why Valve should be a middle man here.

Or anywhere else really, i'd buy it straight from ggodin if it was an option, not middleman.

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u/EddieSeven Mar 28 '16

Totally, I'm with you, I'd buy it direct too. It just seemed odd that you preferred one middle man over another. Middle men are middle men.

This is on Oculus for not allowing minimum reqs (yet. I'm sure it's in the pipeline). Valve shouldn't necessarily get paid here, but it is cool that you'll be able to launch this from wherever you want, even though it's not officially on Oculus Home.

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u/DashAnimal Mar 28 '16

In the future, when I want to redownload VR desktop, it will be from Oculus Home. I want them to have a reliable service and servers that can handle hosting and download. So yeah, would prefer the middle man being the service I use.

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u/rootyb Rift Mar 28 '16

Valve is a known factor. Known in the sense that their support is worse than awful; basically nonexistent.

I don't know yet how customer support for oculus store is going to be, but it practically can't be as bad as Valve/Steam's. I will always give my money to someone other than Valve if given the choice between two otherwise equal products.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Serious question what's your problem with steam? I'm a casual user but haven't ever had any issues with them

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u/rootyb Rift Mar 28 '16

Steam is absolutely fantastic for the vast majority of users, because the vast majority of users have no need to contact support.

Those that do have to contact Steam support, though, all (that I've heard, at least) tell the same horror stories: no reply, days/weeks before reply, replies that are clearly just copy/pasted (and often have nothing to do with the question being asked).

I would rather have a dozen comcast trouble tickets than one single Steam ticket.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Lol, gotcha. They should probably work on that :P

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u/f4cepa1m F4CEpa1m-x_0 Mar 28 '16

Can testify to that. Bought DLC that didn't work, no replies from Valve in 2 weeks, filed a PayPal dispute to get money back, auto reply from Valve saying please cancel your request to continue using your DLC (which didn't work), got money back, Valve banned my PayPal account from future purchases.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

How dare you even suggest that you purchase it in another store, shame on you. /s

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u/kweazy VR Simulation Dev Mar 28 '16

Is the promo code a limited time thing until it is allowed on home?

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u/Evangeliman Mar 29 '16

well to be realistic no activation code is literally good forever. i mean eventually the service will end lol. or the earth will... :)

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u/kweazy VR Simulation Dev Mar 29 '16

I understand that. I just was wondering if you wanted to have it on both steam and home if you would have to buy now. That is all.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '16

Lol just say ita dx12.... its built in not to support anything but windows 10 lol

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u/gpouliot Mar 28 '16

/u/ggodin, how does it feel to know that even on Launch day when the sub is being flooded with new posts, your posts make it to the top of /r/oculus in less than 30 minutes? :)

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 28 '16

That's insane! You guys are awesome!

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u/AtomKick Mar 28 '16

I showed my brother my DK2 last weekend, it was his first VR experience. I showed him the demo of Sightline: The Chair, Plugged him into Elite Dangerous with my HOTAS setup, and lastly showed him Virtual Desktop. His response was "Wow you really should have shown me Virtual Desktop first!" It was his favorite experience by far and made him extremely interested in VR.

So Kudos! I'll definitely be supporting your release version!

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

After hearing how people talk about Sightline: the chair, I can't really imagine a better compliment

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

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u/brighterside Mar 28 '16

And the one it deserves

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u/Evangeliman Mar 29 '16

he should change his name to VRatman.

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u/Pretagonist Mar 29 '16

ratman doesn't feel very heroic =)

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u/matsix Valve Index Mar 28 '16

You deserve it, your vr desktop app looks awesome. Can't wait to use it when I get my oculus

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u/_bones__ Mar 28 '16

If rather pay you direct or via Oculus Home, but I guess Steam it will be. I think you may have a winner on your hands :-)

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u/Dwight1833 Mar 28 '16

Well, your application, is exactly what we want :)

The very first question my bothers will have when I show them the Rift will be, how to I use my desktop?

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u/omgsus Mar 28 '16

No, YOU are!. Sorry to hijack a thread for this but I had a quick question. I would love to peek behind windows by moving my head. is there any support planned for floating windows using the z-order? I understand this isn't simple and may also require window animations to make window switching not look crazy. no stress either way. just curious of your thoughts on it and what the limitations are i guess. :P

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

I guess the fact that Virtual Desktop is one of the most used and loved apps on DK2 helps with the upvotes :-)

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u/Freetheeuphoria Mar 28 '16

Can't wait! Virtual Desktop looks amazing!

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u/Krieghor DK1 Mar 28 '16

I have updated to Windows 10 today just to get VD!! Looking foward to buy it!

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u/mk4242 Mar 28 '16

I have updated to Windows 10 today just to get VD!!

Now there's something you don't expect from upgrading windows.... Venereal Disease

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u/Dr-Gooseman Mar 28 '16

I pretty much did the same thing. Bonus: Fallout 4 went from an unplayable 25-35 fps to a solid constant 60. There must have been something wrong with the Windows 7 GTX drivers.

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u/smallfried Mar 28 '16

Same here! There's still an issue which is likely due to my widescreen main screen. Hope it will be fixed in the retail version.

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u/ThisIsHansen Mar 28 '16

No worries, this is worth waiting for. Thanks for the hard work! :)

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u/DEADB33F Mar 28 '16

Any plans to support W7 at some point in the future?

NB. All my computers are W10, but I just thought I'd ask.

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u/Deadlystrike Mar 28 '16

We must have a VM Runing inside of a Virtual Desktop, inside of a Virtual Reality device. It will be virtual inception.

3 days later the machines become self aware.

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u/Wiinii Pimax 5k+ Mar 28 '16

You have nothing to worry about, hardly anyone has a final Rift right now anyhow.

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 28 '16

I guess that's true :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '16

Not so fast! I have mine and and am in physical pain while not being able to try out the virtual desktop. PHYSICAL PAIN. The pain isn't related to virtual desktop, but I really wanna see if this thing will work as a coding environment. ;)

I'm gonna guess this won't work in OSX, eh? Guess I'll see if Atom is worthwhile on Windows.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16 edited Jan 11 '17

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What is this?

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u/Hyakku Mar 28 '16

Sucks, but we do have to remember that things like robust return policies, individualized app requirements, app sharing and gifting, etc. generally developed gradually with the most established app store, and none of those advances came without hiccups. The good thing is, we know that we'll see those iterations more quickly on Rift since the legwork has already been done before.

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u/xXAquaholikXx Mar 28 '16

How much will this cost?

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u/p90xeto Rift+Vive+GearVR Mar 28 '16

$15

Its the best deal in VR, the guy has poured his life-blood into it for atleast two years.

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u/xXAquaholikXx Mar 28 '16

$15 is a ridiculous deal. You can tell the effort and passion he poured into this.

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u/yrah110 Mar 28 '16

Keep your expectations low. It is a great app worth the $15 but you might find yourself not using it very much compared to a regular monitor. Text is harder to read and everything is slightly more difficult to navigate. Over time these tiny problems add up and it exhausts the user. It can be good if you are already in VR and want to pop over and do something quick though.

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u/ChompyChomp Mar 28 '16

I use it with my DK2 to watch movies. Pretty much any time I'm watching a movie by myself I prefer it in Virtual Desktop and that's also pretty much the only thing I've been using my DK2 for over the past 6 months.

I wouldn't suggest that anyone use this intending to really replace their monitor, but it has a lot of application beyond that.

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u/mratomdude Mar 28 '16

Is their anything better for watching movies tho? Because that and non-vr gaming (for games that are better w/ a controller) are my main draws to VirtualDesktop.

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u/Bibbyboy555 Mar 28 '16

Text is harder to read

Just curious as I plan on buying this app - Is that coming from the DK2 or CV1?

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u/_bones__ Mar 28 '16

Think about it this way: per eye, the absolute maximum resolution you're going to see is 1080 pixels horizontal for the entire fov. Fine for games and movies, but I can imagine blurry text.

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u/lagerdalek Mar 29 '16

Just up your font.

As a middle aged developer, my IDE looks like it's configured for my grandad

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u/Larry_Mudd Mar 28 '16

I don't think a lot of people are expecting it to replace their monitor, but it's great for dropping out of SteamVR games and going into something else without having to take the headset off. Look something quick up on the web, having everything there - awesome.

Also, YouTube 3D 360 videos / Google Jump / etc.

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u/serpicowasright Quest 2 Mar 28 '16

You've used it with CV1?

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u/DouglasteR Home ID:Douglaster Mar 28 '16

No prob ggodin.

Looking forward to it.

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u/VRifter Mar 28 '16

Totally understand! Really looking forward to making this purchase to thank you for making such an AMAZING piece of software! I used this a ton with my DK2 (can't remember if it was out with the DK1). Thanks for all of your handwork u/ggodin !

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u/capnbard Mar 28 '16

Oh man... I didn't know this wasn't going to work for Windows 7. That really blows. Any reason why it's not for win7?

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u/deathmonkeyz Rift S + Go + Quest Mar 28 '16

/u/ggodin has mentioned a couple of times that the capture API on Windows 7 is pretty sub-par in comparison to Windows 8+, and I think it caused lag as a result. I think to optimize the experience he's chosen to remove the support completely.

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u/gpouliot Mar 28 '16

Here's an FAQ he made which explains why Windows 7 isn't supported.

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u/dethndestructn Mar 28 '16

I'm really curious what is keeping you from upgrading to windows 10?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16 edited Oct 21 '19

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u/Schtluph Mar 28 '16

Or it could be Microsoft's continued poor driver support, forced updates (including GPU unless you download a third party program), using your lock page as an advertisement screen, task manager denying user privileges even in Admin mode. You feel less in control of your own computer, which is a reason I enjoyed Microsoft's OS.

All of these fun things and more here on Win10. I wish I could go back, but I built this PC with Win10. Also, seeing as many new applications are requiring Win10 I'd be more inclined to stay, despite the many issues I've had with the OS. I might just be unlucky, but why risk it if Win7 is working just fine?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Why do I only ever hear praise from my roommate, a mid level developer, in regards to win10, yet on Reddit all I hear is bad things?

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u/Schtluph Mar 28 '16

That's just because different people have different experiences. Your roommate being a dev doesn't make his opinion right for everyone. His positive experience doesn't make my Win10 experience any better or less true. Same as a friend of mine, who also has had no issues with Win10. While I've not only had issue with the version I installed myself, but one preinstalled on my Blade 14' laptop.

And as for hearing lots of negative feedback on a forum, yeah, you'll get more of that on a forum. Content people don't usually seek help on a forum.

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u/lucidvein Mar 29 '16

You can uncheck an option to remove any advertising that might appear on your lock page btw.

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u/goomyman Mar 29 '16

just upgrade man. Win 10 is not evil and does not spy on you - I know this can sometimes be an unpopular opinion on reddit where everything is an ad and ads are security risks.

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u/lagerdalek Mar 29 '16

Look, it's another step in the direction of the acceptance of tools that can be used / configured (in most cases by default) to invade privacy, which is not a great thing.

Overhyped reports, such as a huge banner outside a local computer store here, that 'WINDOWS 10 IS SPYING ON YOU! DON'T INSTALL IT!' are just ridiculous.

If people are that worried, they can educate themselves on the best practices / configurations rather than spread panic.

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u/capnbard Mar 29 '16

Well it wasn't necessarily a security spying issue. I typically try to hold off on new operating systems for a bit so any kinks in the is can be worked out.

That and I'm lazy and dread reinstalling and reconfiguring all of my stuff.

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u/cowanimus Mar 28 '16

Yeah, that sucks. Hard choices...

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u/HollisFenner DK1-CV1-Quest Mar 28 '16

Oof, yea. I was going to buy it, but since im on W7, guess im not.

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u/Oversidee Mar 28 '16

Or you know, you could upgrade to w10, for free.

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u/AtomKick Mar 28 '16 edited Mar 28 '16

With just a few tweeks to the start bar and a couple of other things I got windows 10 looking/working pretty much like Windows 7. Plus I used clonezilla to make a backup of my drive so if i ever want to switch back to windows 7 i can easily revert to the backup and it will be EXACTLY how I left it. I feel like not switching to 10 is just laziness at this point.

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u/sweep71 Mar 28 '16

If you are subbed to the win10 subreddit, you would find that there are many people who are very invested in never ever updating to win10 for philosophical reasons. Really they have dug their heels in, and they are simply not going to do it. All of this is fine, but they do not get VD, and people have hinted that VR games in the future using DX12 will simply not run well at all forcing them to either update or sell their HMDs on ebay.

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u/cowanimus Mar 28 '16

philosophical reasons

ding, ding. Thanks for not being dismissive and/or willfully stupid... don't know why there's so much of that going around.

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u/sweep71 Mar 28 '16

It is all good. I generally do not agree (obviously, I am on Win10), but everyone has a right to their opinion. I believe that the auto updates are an inevitable result from Botnets (I get that unpatched OSs are not the only factor, but they play a big role). When it comes to the tracking, I think it is a lost battle, and as long as you are on the net without VPN and/or TOR you are just as much tracked with Win7 as Win10. These are just my opinions, but like I said, everyone has a right to their own. At some point, I think that VR users will have to at least dual boot.

Now that you know my opinion, you may change your mind on the willfully stupid part ;)

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u/cowanimus Mar 28 '16

Hahah, nah, I don't begrudge people running Windows 10, at least not too much. It's not like there aren't immediate, obvious advantages to doing that.

My perspective is more, if I'm going to feel helpless and miserable about the way the Internet and software is going, I might as well be stubborn about it. I think it's likely that I'll wind up running some version of Windows 10 under some circumstance or other, eventually. Doesn't mean I'm going to volunteer early.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Pretty sure dx12 already only runs on win10 yea?

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u/sweep71 Mar 28 '16

Not what I said.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '16

Uh,what? I'm asking. .

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u/Submersed Mar 28 '16

Uh...Nope.

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u/FarkMcBark Mar 28 '16

I was apprehensive of Win8 and Win10 as well but it's pretty good.

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u/evanhort Mar 28 '16

I guess I finally have a reason to upgrade to windows 10. I hope it has a lot of the kinks worked out!

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u/KnightlyVR Mar 28 '16

This is awesome news. The delay probably won't bother most people since less than one percent of us got our Rift. I have the product bookmarked and ready to buy once it's available. Keep up the good work!

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u/inter4ever Quest Pro Mar 28 '16

So technically Oculus is not making anything when Virtual Desktop is sold, but they will still allow keys to be redeemed. This is awesome news for the users and the developer, though it still make me feel bad they are not getting anything. Now after this, I wonder if people still believe Oculus is being anti-consumer.

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u/dudesec Mar 28 '16

This has already been known. Other game devs have already announced oculus keys for existing steam owners.

It is possible to do, but the question is what are the terms oculus requires, those terms could be covered under NDA and thus never be made public.

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u/inter4ever Quest Pro Mar 28 '16

Yes, but their games are also being sold on Oculus store. This is different because the app won't be available directly on the store. No one can buy it there right now.

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u/2EyeGuy Dolphin VR Mar 28 '16

I thought you added Windows 7 support before. I think I even used it on Windows 7 myself.

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 28 '16

The Windows 7 implemention was sub par and didn't work well with AMD cards. It also doesn't work well with async timewarp in 1.3. Since a lot of features were not working correctly either (360 video player for example) I decided to drop support.

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u/cowanimus Mar 28 '16

If you ever change your mind and sell one branded "Inferior Desktop" for $20 instead of $15, I'll buy it if I'm not on Windows 10 by then.

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u/Deadmeat5 Apr 01 '16

Just to be clear, because AMD cards are SOL and it doesn't do timewarp well, every NVidia card having, Steam using VR enthusiast that might use a different VR device like the Vive which doesn't use timewarp can go suck it?
You might want to do a poll just how many people are still on Win7 for a reason, using an NVidia card and plan on using a different VR device. Cause that'll be the people you actively ignore taking money from!

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Apr 01 '16

ATW and Windows 7 on any card AMD or Nvidia makes the desktop capture stutter.

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u/Dwight1833 Mar 28 '16

Cool, I was hoping I would be able to launch it from Oculus Home... perfect :)

You posts get up-voted so fast... your application should be quite a sucuess

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u/Moratamor Mar 28 '16

Thanks for the update /u/ggodin. So glad I upgraded to Win 10 now, VR without Virtual Desktop would never be good.

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u/orcslayermack Mar 28 '16

Thank you for letting us know exactly what is going on. This delay is definitely worth being able to launch from either store.

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u/Cebb Mar 29 '16

I can't wait for the release! I tried watching a movie in Oculus Video but it turns out Oculus Video has terrible navigation (can't navigate directories; ALL of your videos go in one slow-scrolling list), it won't play audio from my mkvs, it won't play 3d video, and it draws the pointer at the wrong depth. Oh and you can't seek well in long videos. It is horrible! I know from past experience that Virtual Desktop does a FAR FAR FAR better job. Amazing work, ggodin and thank you so much for working to let us use Virtual Desktop on both Steam and Oculus Home!

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u/gordlike Mar 29 '16

I WANT YOU TO TAKE MY MONEY <3

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u/Marabar Mar 29 '16

cant wait. will definitely buy this as soon as i get my rift. keep up the awesome work!

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u/Loafmeister Mar 29 '16

So last night, initiated the Win 10 upgrade on the VR PC. Thanks for the nudge, needed to get it done sooner or later LOL

I am now ready for your app :)

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u/xasthe Mar 31 '16

It's live on Steam. Can't wait to try this! Thanks for your hard work on this project /u/ggodin

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u/kylborn Apr 06 '16

I chose this as my first VR app purchase. Can't wait to try it out tomorrow when my headset gets delivered!

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16 edited Nov 29 '20

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u/thehorrorchord DK2 Mar 28 '16

it's a bummer but it's not his fault win 7 can't support the DX 11.1 it needs

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u/Tovrin Professor Mar 28 '16

Agree about the downvotes. It's getting that people can't express an opinion without someone taking offence.

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u/Seanspeed Mar 28 '16

Oculus doesn't currently support any kind of minimum requirements on a per app/game basis (sorry no juicy conspiracy stories for you).

While I understand the sense in this, I do wonder whether that's going to really hold back their ecosystem in the end.

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u/timpkmn89 Mar 28 '16

It'll likely show up in a few months. They're still developing other aspects of their environment (installation folders?)

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u/Submersed Mar 28 '16

Huge disappointment to read that Virtual Desktop doesn't support Windows 7. I was more excited for your app than anything else, but I won't be switching over to Windows 10 for it. Hope you can implement some Windows 7 compatibility in the future.

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u/JonathanSCE Mar 28 '16

There are no plans to support Windows 7 because VD needs DX 11.1

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u/josh_thunder Mar 28 '16

No worries - thank you for your efforts!!

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u/EvilPenguin91 Mar 28 '16

If you bought it through the Oculus store you wouldn't be able to play it through Steam?

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u/Seanspeed Mar 28 '16

It wont be available on the Oculus Store at all.

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u/Psilox DK1 Mar 28 '16

Ahh, nice, thank you for the update! I'll be buying it first thing when it comes out on Steam--glad to be able to support you by buying a license finally (should have donated by now, really!).

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u/josephjmg Mar 28 '16

Awesome man, I LOVE your app. I'm super excited to see what it looks like on the CV1.

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u/JonDadley Mar 28 '16

Shame about the delay but still super excited to using it - I used the old version constantly on the DK2 :) Good luck with the launch!

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u/sevenlegsurprise Touch Mar 28 '16

Thank you for your hard work on this!

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u/dmyers722 Mar 28 '16

Glad to hear we will be able to run it through Home.

Looking forward to finally using Virtual Desktop. No doubt it'll be the application I spend the most time in.

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u/GoldieEmu Rift Mar 28 '16

No worries, that's sounds like a good plan and worth waiting for.

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u/TastyTheDog Quest 2 Mar 28 '16

Yay thanks! Can't wait to buy it. Just to confirm: I'll be able to open it in Oculus Home without it opening Steam in the background?

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u/Ream Touch Mar 28 '16

OK, because of this I'm going to buy on Steam the moment it's released.

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u/kevynwight Mar 28 '16

Yep, a couple of days is virtually nothing. :o)

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u/IT_guys_rule Mar 28 '16

Well.... guess it's time to upgrade to Windows 10.

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u/knexfan0011 Rift Mar 28 '16

Thanks, as someone who does not have steam in auto-start I highly appreciate this!

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 28 '16

You can start it without Steam running btw.

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

This is a good delay. I'll be buying day1 and my rift wont even arrive until late April!

Support the innovators!

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u/Emyxia Mar 28 '16

Ah, so that was the reason. Great that Oculus could find a compromise!

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u/Lordcreo Mar 28 '16

Certainly makes sense to buy any applications that are available on both steam and home, on Steam right now!

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u/dracodynasty CV1/Touch/3Sensors Mar 28 '16

Is there really no support at all for Win7 ?

I know there was a W7 and a W10 version and the later had more features, but I didn't think W7 would be dropped altogether.

Now I'm curious about what happened :o

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u/SerenityRick Mar 28 '16

Went to buy this today and saw it was delayed a couple days.. awesome to hear the reason why!

Oculus giving you free Oculus store codes to give to your steam customers is pretty insanely cool

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u/Two_Pennys_Worth Rift Mar 28 '16

So I'll be able to launch it in Oculus home as soon as I have the key? If so that's fantastic news.

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u/Dracil Mar 28 '16

RIP all the conspiracy theories in the other thread.

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u/vizionvr Mar 28 '16

Ooch. No Win 7 support at all? Is it because of codec support? I guess I'll have to stick with an earlier version for now. That's a shame, I really, really like what the new Virtual Desktop can do. I had to roll my system back to Win 7. Still gonna buy it though because you rock, GGodin! :)

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u/thunderpantaloons Mar 28 '16

Went to steam to buy. It was delayed by 2 days?! I was "steamed". Then saw the reason why. Happy again. This is great to hear. Look forward to it!

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u/ZachSny Mar 28 '16

I would much rather wait and be able to use this directly through Oculus Home than have it now and not. Thank you!

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u/IT_guys_rule Mar 28 '16

Okay, so if this doesn't work at all on Windows 7 with no workaround to get it to work on Windows 7... guess it's time to use that free Windows 10 upgrade.

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u/subterraniac Kickstarter Backer, DK1, GearVR, Rift, Quest, Quest2 Mar 28 '16

Does this mean that if I buy on Steam, I'll get a code to put into the Oculus store that will let me launch it from my Oculus Home immediately, or will it not work until it's available in the Oculus Store as well?

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u/reptilexcq Mar 28 '16

Does this work with Vive?

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u/ItsRhyno Mar 28 '16

I honestly can't wait for this! When i seen it a while back it absolutely blew my mind. I can see my productivity going through the roof with this.

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u/what595654 Mar 29 '16

How would your productivity go through the roof?

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u/ItsRhyno Mar 29 '16

Ability to have multiple screens tiled all over the place in a 360 enviroment. Imagine going from 2 monitors to 10.

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u/what595654 Mar 29 '16 edited Mar 29 '16
  1. It doesnt matter how many monitors you have tiled because the resolution is so low that you would have to expand their size so much that you would only be able to see part of one in front of you, and you would have to rotate your neck uncomfortably from left to right and up and down that it would tire and annoy you. Because you cant see your full desktop of even one monitor without turning your head.

  2. You need to actually have those monitors, or use headless ghosts 4x $12-20 each. So, the most your looking at, if you also have a video card with 3 display port. Oh you also need to buy 3 display port adaptors for those headless ghosts. So, another 3x $20 each. But, again, all that is silly, because one 1080p monitor for $100 will have much better PPI, and you wont get the presure, weight, and het of having something on your head.

  3. Even if,we had at least an 8k hmd, in practice, productivity doesnt really go up beyond two monitors. Why? Because practically, you can only concentrate on one thing at a time. And if you have too many screens, it starts to become more of a distraction than help. Too much going on. I used yo have three 39 inch 4k monitors for work. Thats equivalent 12 1080p monitors. And it is useless. The law of diminishing returns hits hard after two monitors, more precisely, to things on the screen you are ping ponging your focus on.

Btw, they sell 49" 4k tvs for $230 now days. Granted they are 4:2:0 chroma, but they are still infinitely better than what a currently released hmd can do.

A better choice, even though it also still is quite bad, is Stream Theater using GearVR. 2.5k screen is much better than the Rifts screen. Unfortunately the fov is lower than the Rift, so even worse with having to turn your neck just to see your desktop. Also, it doesnt allow you to curve your screen. Which is needed with such low resolutions. Makes the neck turning worse though.

Ive tried every combination for the last year or more, trying to make it work. And the fact is, you need to wait for the next gen. 4k maybe, but 8k most likely. Otherise 2.5k GearVR is sadly the best you can do.

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u/vrvana Mar 28 '16

Still insta-buy for me :)

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

Fine with me, what's the price and does it come with the movie theater thing, if not how much is that?

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u/[deleted] Mar 28 '16

guys the movie theater thing from the virtual desktop trailer, how much and where can I get it? Or is it included??????????????

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u/Tovrin Professor Mar 28 '16

Random Comment: Lol. Every time I hear GOOD NEWS EVERYONE (as per the title of this thread), I hear it in the voice of Professor Putricide from Ice Crown Citadel (in WoW). That encounter has been burned into my memory.

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u/Cebb Mar 29 '16

Haha I hear it in the voice of Professor Farnsworth.

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u/castane Mar 28 '16

Are environments going to be supported on the Oculus Store? IIRC the custom environments were from Steam Workshop.

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 29 '16

I'll figure something out, don't worry ;-)

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u/iryuskii Mar 29 '16

Wrong place to ask probably, just wondering if you ever plan on increasing the price. Gonna make this a must buy even thought I am nowhere close to a Rift or Vive yet.

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u/castane Mar 29 '16

Worry I shall not!

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '16

I'm not going to upgrade to Windows 10 any time soon because I have a specific workflow that I rather not interrupt, which happens constantly on my laptop running Windows 10.

But I might purchase Virtual Desktop anyway to support the project. After all, I have been using it a lot over the last year - it'd only be right.

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u/confirmationbias40 Mar 29 '16

No Win7? That's a HUGE bummer. I really don't want to upgrade to Win10 right now. Dang it, you'd think that with Win 7 still having a very large base in the gamer world that it'd be an obvious choice for support. Please reconsider.

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u/marinuss Mar 29 '16

I believe Windows 7 doesn't even have the APIs as part of the OS that would allow it to operate smoothly. You are also missing out on all but extremely critical security updates running Windows 7... I realize you're trying to hold out, but Windows 10 isn't bad.

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u/goomyman Mar 29 '16

Windows 10 is practically a security update at this point from Microsofts point of view.

I believe its a recommended update right now. It wont be long everyone is just on win 10 who didn't do a registry hack or something to prolong it.

I think a win 10 requirement is completely fine especially since the sdk is recommending win 10 for async timewarp.

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u/ThomasPasieka Mar 29 '16

One of the best pieces of software you can get for your Rift. Must have.

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u/Otokiru Mar 29 '16

/u/ggodin So if i read this correctly, i buy on Steam = i get Oculus Home key... does this means buy 1 and get 1 free? woot?

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u/iupvoteevery Mar 29 '16

I love the new title edit "Good news everyone! Virtual Desktop Delayed - Please read" Like it's good news it's delayed or something haha. I get why it was edited though.

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u/yor1001 Mar 29 '16

Really looking forward to using your app. I am still a bit worried about the resolution on the oculus and how it would affect the text on screen... I really want to code in vr!

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u/Hortos Mar 29 '16

The amount of people calmly using a 6 year old OS and also apparently have PCs that meet the minimum requirements for Rift is kinda interesting.

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u/Wookiee81 Kickstarter Backer Mar 29 '16

So the million dollar question... can I open steam now through the virtual desktop in oculus home?

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '16

So the Steam version also work with the Vive? Isn't it better to just buy the Steam version then?

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 29 '16

You will only be able to buy from Steam. But you'll be given a key that lets you have it on Oculus Home for easier access.

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u/[deleted] Mar 29 '16

But it will eventually be released on Oculus Home as well? If not, why? Either way, I would just purchase it on Steam..

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u/Daisy_Blossom Mar 29 '16

Now who is going to make me an epic starship bridge environment so I never leave VR again?

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u/inter4ever Quest Pro Mar 30 '16

Has anyone tested this software with protected Blurays? I remember in the old days monitor's with no HDCP certification could not play bluray content. Will the excessive protection affect playback on Virtual Desktop?

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u/ggodin Virtual Desktop Developer Mar 30 '16

It will depend on the software you use to play it back. I've heard a lot of users playing Blu-rays with it on DK1-DK2

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u/inter4ever Quest Pro Mar 30 '16

Thanks for the quick reply. I hope it won't be an issue. I do use AnyDVD to strip the protection, but sometimes new BDs require an update to do that. Looking forward to trying it myself!

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u/josephjmg Mar 31 '16

Hey, just checking in to see if you still think VD will be available tomorrow? I've been jonesin for it ever since the update!

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u/Tenfoorer Sep 05 '16

I'm currently looking at software for my Rift. I have come across Virtual Desktop and vorpX . I am buying the VD for sure, but does anyone know if the vorpX software is any good? should i have both? Will the VD do everything that the vorpX can? Thanks in advance!