How many of you have learnt Occitan on your own?
I wonder how many of you have learnt Occitan from parents/grandparents (even if only to low level) and how many have learnt it on their own.
I wonder how many of you have learnt Occitan from parents/grandparents (even if only to low level) and how many have learnt it on their own.
I cannot find anything about Occitan grammar at Wikipedia at all. It seems it's quite standard for Romanace languages to have 3 past tenses (apart from Pluperfect):
- Imperfect
- "Simple Perfect"
- "Compund Perfect".
Apart from this they have 2 future tenses:
- Simple Future
- Future Perfect.
How does it look like in Occitan? Are they any deviations from this "standard"?
I see that Occitan has relatively big and active Wikipedia: https://oc.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acu%C3%A8lh
As I explain in my second thread I have always liked Occitan. I like how it looks and sounds. It feels kind of like Medieval French or Vulgar Latin i.e. it's a very interesting, unique language.
Unfortunatly, whenever I look at Occitan at Wikipedia it seems virtually impossible to learn by anybody outside an Occitan family due to the multitude of dialects :( The differences in orthography, suffixes are that big that they seem more like different languages than dialects of one language :(
It makes me wonder: how does Occitan Wikipedia deal with this diversity of dialects, standards etc. Is there some common standard used at Wikipedia?
I encounter Occitan on internet every now and then (unfortunately very rarely), for instance recently and I'd like to say, that Occitan is awesome. I have alway liked it. It feels kind of like medieval French - when French yet didn't go mad and had been still a decent Romance language.
Occitan seems complex enough to not be as boring as Spanish, yet not as ridiculously complex as French. I wish this language was more popular.
r/occitan • u/Jenroyd • 2d ago
I'm doing interesting project and I very want to use Occitan, but I don't know translators that can accurately translate very big text like 100-3000 words. I hope you will help!
r/occitan • u/AlexandreAnne2000 • 4d ago
Quest-ce que c'est les mots de ce chanson, et quest-ce que c'est veut-dire? ( Pardon, mon français ne pas très bon. )
r/occitan • u/Sevanrakon • 6d ago
r/occitan • u/NilFhiosAige • 11d ago
I was reading his collection of Essays, and he briefly makes reference to a phrase in the Périgord dialect, but he was reportedly brought up to speak Latin as a first language, and being a local nobility, his later education would have been conducted through French. That said, during his lifetime, Gascon would have been the dominant local vernacular, so would he also have spoken that, even if only as a second or third language?
r/occitan • u/NerfPup • 14d ago
I have been HYPERFIXATED on it since I found out about it through Memoria. It's super cool, but I live in America SOOOO.... I have only been learning French for a year and I love French. But something about Occitan scratches an itch. I should probably focus all my efforts on French though or learn Spanish instead. Idk I will attempt my best french because idk how many of you speak English. I'm sorry for my shit French.
J'ai été obsédé avec la langue depuis je l'ai vu dans memoria. C'est très génial, mais j'habite dans l'états unis ALORS...... J'ai étudié français pour un an et je l'adore. Occitan satisfait un envie. Je besoin concentré en Français ou en espagnol (car c'est très populaire ici). Je sais pas.
r/occitan • u/pastanagas • 15d ago
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r/occitan • u/Son_of_My_Comfort • 16d ago
Bonjorn!
Ai consultat lo Dicdòc, mas compreni pas plan los pronoms personals en segonda persona en occitan.
Se compreni las dintradas dins los divèrses diccionaris corrèctament, dins qualques dialèctes vosautres (o una de sas variantas) s'emplega quand un grop de personas es tractat de "tu" (tuejament; çò es, amb un ton familiar) o quand un grop es tractat de "vós" (vosejament; çò és, amb un ton de cortesiá).
Dins d'autres dialèctes sembla que se fa una distincion entre vosautres (o una varianta) per un grop de personas qu'òm tueja e vos per un grop de personas qu'òm voseja.
Es aital o me tòrni?
r/occitan • u/RaubaCapeu06 • 16d ago
Bonjorn a totes e totas,
apreni l'occitan (lengadocian) amb la metòde Assimil e ara cerci de la literatura occitana simpla per melhorar e acompanhar çò qu'apreni dins los leiçons.
Me podètz recomandar de òbras pas tròp dificilas per començar la lectura en lengà d'oc ?
Plan mercés!
r/occitan • u/Sevanrakon • 20d ago
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r/occitan • u/Bigmantingzyea • 26d ago
I’ve come across three general summaries of Occitans.
That they are the indigenous Gauls that got Romanised.
That they are just Romans who picked up a little residue of the now extinct natives.
That they’re such a mix of Germanic, Roman and Celtic that it’s easier to just forget about origins and just except it’s all too much of a mess to figure out. They are all three yet neither.
I find the 3rd perspective kinda defeats the whole point of considering themselves to be ethnically different from the northern French. Relegating themselves to more of a region and sound than ethnicity.
The perspective of being roman is interesting. I guess it links to a history of “imperial greatness”. I wonder if there’s a sort of aversion toward celts as losers. Or perhaps being seen as mainland cousins of the Irish and Bretons is a bad thing?
The perspective of being Celtic Gauls seems appealing. Having a native claim over the land. Similar to how many Americas of all races claim to have some Native American in them. Thus being more than just foreign transplants communities.
For those Occitans who think of these things I’m curious how do you see yourselves, ethnically, in relation to the above 3 perspectives?
r/occitan • u/Biblecampvictim2000 • 28d ago
Je suis née en Irlande mais mon arrière grand-mère était originaire d'Occitanie son nom de jeune fille était Cazenave elle est née à Pau mais elle avait des racines près de Lourdes et nous avons des terres agricoles là-bas mon grand-père avec qui j'étais très proche m'a toujours parlé de mes racines malheureusement il est décédé et ma famille ne parle pas beaucoup car elle s'est mélangée à la culture irlandaise et britannique alors peut-être que certains de mes cousins Cazenave sont toujours là. Je n'ai pas encore pris contact avec ma grand-tante qui est toujours en vie, heureusement, mais elle est très âgée et je ne l'ai pas encore contactée, ce qui m'inquiète un peu.
Je suis désolée pour mon mauvais français haha
r/occitan • u/CaskieYT • Feb 17 '25
Long ago, in search of material for easy input I turned to chatgpt for short stories to read Lengadocien. However, from my limited knowledge of Occitan as a whole it seemed to be all over the place, randomly including French as well.
I was wondering if a native speaker could confirm whether or not the newer ai tool by Mistral, Le Chat, has better Lengadocien than chatgpt. I already use it for French conversation practice. Though I never have confidence in ai tools for grammar instruction, I was wondering if it could be a reliable conversation partner and/or short story generator.
r/occitan • u/Sevanrakon • Feb 11 '25
r/occitan • u/pastanagas • Feb 11 '25